I wasn't surprised by this. He always seemed like he wasn't the brightest bulb...
Tim Tebow's below average Wonderlic
I propose that Tim Tebow no longer be a subject of conversation here.
But since it's been brought up, I believe a person of average intelligence is supposed to score 21 or thereabouts, so he's right in the middle of the bell distribution. The median for an NFL QB is 24, so he's a hair below that, but I don't know if that's even a statistically significant difference. In short, it's another Tebow non-story.
And since most seem to think his chances of actually being an NFL QB are low, then perhaps he actually scored pretty well.
+1 on your proposal, btw
It's not that bad though, it's not like he got a six.
That said, I never thought he seemed very bright either.
Something like this?
He'll likely still get drafted, sign some form of contract and make more money than most of us will. So I doubt he cares that much.
If I was a pro prospect I'd just bomb the thing on purpose.
Well, the Wonderlic is basically a useless test, considering Dan Marino got a 15 and Alex Smith got a 40.
Didn't Vince Young get a 3? Or a 6? Something like that...
I believe he got a 7
it was a 6 on his 1st try. The agent did some damage control by saying that there was a "mistake" in his score. VY took it again and got a 16, still bad either way.
The Wonderlic tests for intelligence, complex decision making, etc. I can take it and probably score at least a 30, it doesnt turn me into Dan Marino either.
If you have 2 versions of Sam Bradford, one of which scores a 10 on the Wonderlic and the other scores a 30, which one do you choose?
There's a reason scouts don't just give athletes one test. There are several factors that determine success, and several ways to measure each factor. Arm strength and accuracy are necessary to deliver a throw, but brains are required to know where and when to deliver it.
I believe Brian Griese scored a 37, which gives some indication why he's survived in the NFL for over a decade without great arm strength.
And Henson got a 42.
You can actually take the Wonderlic yourself:
I was on track to ace that test.
but I got tripped up by the chemical composition of IcyHot© .
I got a perfect on the sample online test so I'd clearly be a great quarterback if only I could throw well.
The Wonderlic was designed to test mere mortals.
Edit: The "Wonderlic Test" sounds like it should be a measure for hookers.
most of the questions are about evolution, global warming and how to throw a football - his worst three subjects.
Edit: distasteful and unfunny post was here. Sorry.
Edit: fun police present.
Everyone go back home.
I opened an article this morning on this, under some blaring headline like "Tebow does terrible on Wonderlic." Then I read an article stating that he got a 22 while the average is 24. Oh really? Incredible. Yes, hardy har har ... Mr. perfect is not so smart. I understand a lot of people are eager to see him fail or be exposed as a hypocrite but let's at least wait until there is something newsworthy to talk about.
EDIT: my comments are not directed at the original poster, but the people framing and titling news stories.
I also wonder why ESPN called his 4.73 40-time "blazing." Too much importance is put on these Draft measurables.
Hey, that's pretty good for a FB.
put up a 38. Did Montana have to take it back in the day?
Which is why he was a great choice for Detroit.
Looks like Meyer couldn't develop Tebow on and off the field...
Drew Henson got a 42.
wonderlic my balls.
chad henne scored a 22 as well.
Marino got a 15. i was just referring to the idea of UM qbs not doing too strong.
... on the how to bow out gracefully question.
A Superbowl ring is overrated anyhow.
As are INTs.
22 is above the mean (allegedly 21 overall)...while 20 is below the mean. I suspect Tebow imparted so much wisdom in "5 or 20 minute" segments that it lowered his score.
If the average for an NFL QB is a 24 and he got a 22, then he essentially performed average. Yet another Tebow non-story.
I'm less interested in predicting how he will perform in the NFL than I am in watching it unfold. Whether he succeeds or fails as a QB, it will be compelling to watch.
Tebow was too busy saving the world to study for a test. You would know if you spent 5 or 20 minutes with him. Duh.
I still can't believe Florida has a Family, Youth, and Community Services major. Does that teach you how to be a recreation coordinator at the local park?
Shawn Kemp majored in Families
Marino and Kelly both scored 15's. They sucked, right?
Tebow had a 3.66 GPA, but of course he only practiced 20 hours a week.
Kind of makes you wonder about the predictive value of the test.
With respect to the GPA, let it be known that it was in something called "family, youth and community services". So let's not give that too much predictive value either.
While I agree that putting too much stock in the Wonderlic score will make anyone look foolish, the fact remains that in order for Tebow to even contemplate a realistic chance of starting in the NFL, he'll need to pick up a playbook quickly while also drastically overhauling his throwing motion. While those skills may not be characterized as purely "intelligence", a below-average score on a relatively simple logic exam certainly doesn't instill much confidence in me that he'll be able to make the transition.
Neither won a superbowl. Farve scored low on the Wonderlic, and what is his signature curse? Bad decision making under pressure when the game is on. The Wonderlic measures inteligence under pressure, assessing a problem quickly, making a proper analysis and then the right decision. Essential QB skills. Mcnabb had a low Wonderlic and has he ever won a superbowl? Brady, Manning and Brees? All scored well on the Wonderlic.
You've got to be kidding me. These are Hall of Fame QBs. Using the "He won a Super Bowl" criteron, a bunch of journeyman tailbacks must have been better than Barry Sanders.
Teams win championships not individuals, a very difficult concept for some individuals to grasp.
...that you have no point.
Brett Favre won a Super Bowl, and McNabb didn't.
Also, Brett Favre played on a team that had virtually zero other bona fide NFL stars on the roster. You think Dorsey Levens or Robert Brooks is headed to the Hall of Fame?
Also, Brett Favre has won exactly the same number of Super Bowls (1) as two of the guys you listed as doing well on the Wonderlic (Brees and Manning).
Consider me unconvinced by your meandering argument.
not entirely sold that the wonderlic is a good way to measure the qb's ability to respond under pressure. i dont think that answering questions in a certain amount of time translates to throwing to a receiver in a certain amount of time before a linebacker takes ur head off. ryan fitzpatrick scores a 50 and therefore hes a good quarterback? nope, back up on the rams. not even close to "good." colt mccoy allegedly scored a 25/50. therefore he should throw picks under pressure? 70 percent completion % last year and 12 picks in 470 attempts. i hate the wonderlic and i think its a waste of time. taking it is 100% unnecessary IMHO.
I am sure somebody has put together the wonderlic score for the last 10 or so Heisman winners. I would love to see the results.
Further proof that Tebow is an idiot...
A) Not smart enough to chose Michigan
B) Not smart enough to get into Michigan
Um, I think most of our scholarship athletes would have fallen into category B if they had to get in on academics alone.
Its inevitable that whenever you are mocking someone's intelligence you make a mistake of your own.
Any plans for a "hangover cure for dummies" book
Should be "it's" not "its"...
(Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm bored at work today, and September seems like an eternity away.)
Too bad you weren't with Tebow when he took his test.
I think Manningham got a 6 as well, and look how he's doing!
The Wonderlic is stupid, but I think it would be fun to take. I took a mock Wonderlic that was only 20 questions today and got the equivalent of a 35. I'm now expecting to go #1 to the Rams.
I already knew Jesus couldn't hit a curve ball and apparently the wonderlic is not his strong suit either.
TIM TEBOW GETS TOO MUCH ATTENTION SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A POST ABOUT HIM.
You know, for a chick in a bikini, you sure yell a lot and have a ton of hair on your testicles.
I caint bleve these dum football playrs. How can you xpect them to play football when thay caint even pass a test? No wondr he had ta go ta Florada insted of Mishigan.
+1 to you. I couldn't spell that badly if I tried--I'm too OCD with myself.
He gave away his above-average points to lower-scoring potential draftees. But only to those that spent 15 minutes with him.
The only person to ever get a 50 went to Harvard. The highest one in the NFL currently is Kevin Curtis (WR) with a 48 (from Utah State!).
well it's a higher % than his completion % is gonna be if he ever sees the field in the NFL...thats one way to look at it?
...says the Texas fan whose QB never won a national championship or a Heisman.
and had a pro bowl year last year. colt mccoy is the winningest college quarterback ever. thanks for insulting my quarterbacks. heisman trophies dont make good pro prospects and as my example ill find some common ground with u and cite.....*drum roll*.......troy smith.
tim tebow isnt a quarterback. hes got the worst throwing motion ive seen for a first day prospect. worse than vince young? easily. accuracy is also an issue with him where for vince it wasnt(66%(i think, check me im not sure) for his college career). tim tebow does throw a good jump pass..i guess?
All I'm saying is that a UT fan who travels the internet looking for places to insult Tim Tebow probably isn't the most objective source of commentary. And, frankly, I'm pretty sure you (and McCoy himself) would trade the title of "Winningest QB" for a national championship or a Heisman.
im not gonna pretend to be a fan of tebow or even like the guy but i dont only come on here for posting negative things about tim tebow. i said below that the wonderlic is the worst test of all the tests that the NFL prospects have to go through, except maybe the broad jump for certain positions, and i tried to make a joke about that along with tebow's poor throwing capabilities. figured most non-florida fans would appreciate a half decent tebow joke.
obviously i would trade(contrary to recent quotes from rick barnes....) individual success for team success but thats wat he has and thats wat hes going to have to live with. i was just pointing out that he has titles that go with his name. I dont think that tim tebow winning a heisman and nat champ means he is going to have a good completion % in the pros.
I think the test requires capital letters...
(Vince Young has one above average year in the pros, and everyone's ready to put him in the Hall of Fame).
You're right but remember that some of Colt's situation was out of his control: the injury, obviously, for one, but also his lack of run support for a lot of his time at Texas.
This could be said for every quarterback ever.
this is fascinating, I've never been privy to one of these arguments before :)
Does the Ad Hominem Shuffle better than a message board full of insecure Michigan fans.