I wasn't surprised by this. He always seemed like he wasn't the brightest bulb...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4984943
I propose that Tim Tebow no
And since most seem to think
And since most seem to think his chances of actually being an NFL QB are low, then perhaps he actually scored pretty well.
+1 on your proposal, btw
It's not that bad though,
It's not that bad though, it's not like he got a six.
That said, I never thought he seemed very bright either.
Something like this?
Something like this?
He'll likely still get
He'll likely still get drafted, sign some form of contract and make more money than most of us will. So I doubt he cares that much.
If I was a pro prospect I'd just bomb the thing on purpose.
Well, the Wonderlic is
Well, the Wonderlic is basically a useless test, considering Dan Marino got a 15 and Alex Smith got a 40.
and...
Didn't Vince Young get a 3? Or a 6? Something like that...
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
I believe he got a 7
I believe he got a 7
Joey: Want some jam?
Chandler: No thanks, I just had a jar of mustard.
Nah
it was a 6 on his 1st try. The agent did some damage control by saying that there was a "mistake" in his score. VY took it again and got a 16, still bad either way.
Depends on what you're measuring
The Wonderlic tests for intelligence, complex decision making, etc. I can take it and probably score at least a 30, it doesnt turn me into Dan Marino either.
If you have 2 versions of Sam Bradford, one of which scores a 10 on the Wonderlic and the other scores a 30, which one do you choose?
Exactly!
There's a reason scouts don't just give athletes one test. There are several factors that determine success, and several ways to measure each factor. Arm strength and accuracy are necessary to deliver a throw, but brains are required to know where and when to deliver it.
I believe Brian Griese scored a 37, which gives some indication why he's survived in the NFL for over a decade without great arm strength.
And Henson got a 42.
You can
And Henson got a 42.
You can actually take the Wonderlic yourself:
http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/2/17/762095/combine-the-wonderlic
Damn!
I was on track to ace that test.
but I got tripped up by the chemical composition of IcyHot© .
Love & Hate are horns on the same goat.
I'm pissed at my arm strength
I got a perfect on the sample online test so I'd clearly be a great quarterback if only I could throw well.
It's a faulty measure
The Wonderlic was designed to test mere mortals.
Edit: The "Wonderlic Test" sounds like it should be a measure for hookers.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
most of the questions are
most of the questions are about evolution, global warming and how to throw a football - his worst three subjects.
damage control
Edit: distasteful and unfunny post was here. Sorry.
disaster transport control
Edit: fun police present.
Everyone go back home.
It ain't easy being cheesy
non-story of the month
I opened an article this morning on this, under some blaring headline like "Tebow does terrible on Wonderlic." Then I read an article stating that he got a 22 while the average is 24. Oh really? Incredible. Yes, hardy har har ... Mr. perfect is not so smart. I understand a lot of people are eager to see him fail or be exposed as a hypocrite but let's at least wait until there is something newsworthy to talk about.
EDIT: my comments are not directed at the original poster, but the people framing and titling news stories.
I also wonder why ESPN called
I also wonder why ESPN called his 4.73 40-time "blazing." Too much importance is put on these Draft measurables.
Hey, that's pretty good for a
Hey, that's pretty good for a FB.
Or a TE
Or a TE
That is true, though I
That is true, though I usually like to see my TEs in the 4.6 range.
/s
Stafford
put up a 38. Did Montana have to take it back in the day?
Which is why he was a great
Which is why he was a great choice for Detroit.
Cranky, long-time MGoBlogger, prone to shooting his mouth off from time-to-time, missing the days of the neg-bang and a proud member of the "06/30/2008 Club".
Looks like Meyer couldn't
Looks like Meyer couldn't develop Tebow on and off the field...
Drew Henson got a 42.
Drew Henson got a 42.
tebow can...
wonderlic my balls.
I have to go return some videotapes.
ummmm
glass houses.
chad henne scored a 22 as well.
meh.
Marino got a 15. i was just referring to the idea of UM qbs not doing too strong.
I think he got tripped up...
... on the how to bow out gracefully question.
Do Something. If it works, do more of it. If it doesn't, do something else.
A Superbowl ring is overrated
A Superbowl ring is overrated anyhow.
As are INTs.
It ain't easy being cheesy
heh!
22 is above the mean (allegedly 21 overall)...while 20 is below the mean. I suspect Tebow imparted so much wisdom in "5 or 20 minute" segments that it lowered his score.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
If the average for an NFL QB
If the average for an NFL QB is a 24 and he got a 22, then he essentially performed average. Yet another Tebow non-story.
I'm less interested in predicting how he will perform in the NFL than I am in watching it unfold. Whether he succeeds or fails as a QB, it will be compelling to watch.
Tebow was too busy saving the
Tebow was too busy saving the world to study for a test. You would know if you spent 5 or 20 minutes with him. Duh.
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
I still can't believe Florida
I still can't believe Florida has a Family, Youth, and Community Services major. Does that teach you how to be a recreation coordinator at the local park?
Shawn Kemp majored in Families
Shawn Kemp majored in Families
Marino and Kelly both scored
Marino and Kelly both scored 15's. They sucked, right?
Tebow had a 3.66 GPA, but of course he only practiced 20 hours a week.
Kind of makes you wonder about the predictive value of the test.
With respect to the GPA, let
With respect to the GPA, let it be known that it was in something called "family, youth and community services". So let's not give that too much predictive value either.
While I agree that putting too much stock in the Wonderlic score will make anyone look foolish, the fact remains that in order for Tebow to even contemplate a realistic chance of starting in the NFL, he'll need to pick up a playbook quickly while also drastically overhauling his throwing motion. While those skills may not be characterized as purely "intelligence", a below-average score on a relatively simple logic exam certainly doesn't instill much confidence in me that he'll be able to make the transition.
Neither won a superbowl.
Neither won a superbowl. Farve scored low on the Wonderlic, and what is his signature curse? Bad decision making under pressure when the game is on. The Wonderlic measures inteligence under pressure, assessing a problem quickly, making a proper analysis and then the right decision. Essential QB skills. Mcnabb had a low Wonderlic and has he ever won a superbowl? Brady, Manning and Brees? All scored well on the Wonderlic.
Cranky, long-time MGoBlogger, prone to shooting his mouth off from time-to-time, missing the days of the neg-bang and a proud member of the "06/30/2008 Club".
You've got to be kidding me.
You've got to be kidding me. These are Hall of Fame QBs. Using the "He won a Super Bowl" criteron, a bunch of journeyman tailbacks must have been better than Barry Sanders.
Teams win championships not
Teams win championships not individuals, a very difficult concept for some individuals to grasp.
Que sera sera
I'm assuming your point is...
...that you have no point.
Brett Favre won a Super Bowl, and McNabb didn't.
Also, Brett Favre played on a team that had virtually zero other bona fide NFL stars on the roster. You think Dorsey Levens or Robert Brooks is headed to the Hall of Fame?
Also, Brett Favre has won exactly the same number of Super Bowls (1) as two of the guys you listed as doing well on the Wonderlic (Brees and Manning).
Consider me unconvinced by your meandering argument.
ummmmmmmmmm
not entirely sold that the wonderlic is a good way to measure the qb's ability to respond under pressure. i dont think that answering questions in a certain amount of time translates to throwing to a receiver in a certain amount of time before a linebacker takes ur head off. ryan fitzpatrick scores a 50 and therefore hes a good quarterback? nope, back up on the rams. not even close to "good." colt mccoy allegedly scored a 25/50. therefore he should throw picks under pressure? 70 percent completion % last year and 12 picks in 470 attempts. i hate the wonderlic and i think its a waste of time. taking it is 100% unnecessary IMHO.
Hook 'em Horns
Low Wonderlic = Heisman
I am sure somebody has put together the wonderlic score for the last 10 or so Heisman winners. I would love to see the results.
Further proof...
Further proof that Tebow is an idiot...
A) Not smart enough to chose Michigan
B) Not smart enough to get into Michigan
I love Blue like a fat kid loves food...
Um, I think most of our
Um, I think most of our scholarship athletes would have fallen into category B if they had to get in on academics alone.
Not smart enough to
"choose" Michigan.
Its inevitable that whenever you are mocking someone's intelligence you make a mistake of your own.
Any plans for a "hangover
Any plans for a "hangover cure for dummies" book
Should be "it's" not
Should be "it's" not "its"...
(Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm bored at work today, and September seems like an eternity away.)
I propose that Tim Tebow no longer be a subject of conversation here.
But since it's been brought up, I believe a person of average intelligence is supposed to score 21 or thereabouts, so he's right in the middle of the bell distribution. The median for an NFL QB is 24, so he's a hair below that, but I don't know if that's even a statistically significant difference. In short, it's another Tebow non-story.