well that's just, like, your opinion, man
We are going to be scrambling to fill our DT spot for 2011, now with Jernigan and Cooper losing interest and Mickey Johnson destined for LSU; Chris Rock seems to be more of an RVB 2.0 than a true DT.
Not even sure if there is anyone else on the radar? Maybe Syracuse commit OL/DT Rob Trudo
Pearlie Graves still on the board?
Too soon man... Too soon...
I doubt Trudo comes to Michigan. I live in western PA and coached against him this year. Farrell is about 5 minutes from where I coach (Sharon) and the buzz around the valley is that Trudo is all in for Syracuse. I havent personally talked to any of his coaches but some guys I coach with have. According to them, they would be shocked if Trudo went anywhere else. With that being said, any time you get an offer from UM you have to at least consider it right? So hopefully he at least considers. He is a good athlete and from what I know and heard about him, hes an even better person.
This is just info I have receieved since I live 5 minutes from his high shcool. I could be wrong so dont count him out. Im just saying it doesnt look good.
He seems to be all over the place right now.
Good luck to him.
Maybe this will make people feel better: I was looking at the roster and Richard Ash is listed as 6'3" 320 lbs!
Really though...he would have been a huge get.
from the programs losing their coaches?
If Pelini leaves, we'll go hard after Kevin Williams.
but I was looking at that mgolicious and Ben Kline was poached from Pitt. Could have used a LB. He had Michigan on his list too.
I played against Kevin this year and while he was definitely better than the average high school player I wasn't too impressed with him and he was not very big at least to me an I played safety
His first plane ride was on the official to Michigan. Would've been great to get him but you can't blame the guy for feeling more comfortable being close to home
Mickey Johnson in this class
i really want any DT in this class.
Don't get your hopes up sport.
I can see why someone of his talent would be leary of coming to Michigan. Fairley from Auburn constantly attacking the QB and our Mike Martin constantly taking on double teams. I really would like to see us move to a 4 man front on defense. It would be great to see Q Wash, Martin line up in the middle of the line with Ash to sub in next year.
Agreed on Quinton Washington, he's got great size and physical ability, and it'd be great if he "sticks" at DT and becomes a difference maker there. Here's to hoping, anyway, as a lot can be done to "progress" him in the off-season, I think, if the coaching staff decides to keep him there.
I'm aware that Brandonitis has been somewhat crippling. And our incoming DBs seem pretty good. But I simply don't see RR pulling in the kind of D recruits, overall, that we need. Kinda hangs a lot on Zettel.
Inflammation of the Brandon?
Ya think, bozo? We effectively have no coach. Tough to ask these kids to commit to a team with no coach. Brandon must stand behind RR now, or you simply can't judge RR' s ability to recruit. This is ridiculous.
Generally, the bozos are the ones who start name-calling for no good reason.
Also, if you're gonna call people bozos, don't use flawed, selective logic when making your case.
Fact: If you can recruit well on offense -- and RR has certainly done that -- then you should be able to recruit well on defense. This year RR landed the two top APBs in the country. And yet, when it comes to D recruiting, the burdens are just too great!
(Also, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the impediments to recruiting -- sanctions, DB -- stemmed from RR's work performance. He who helps create the problem does not get a pass.)
Logic. They teach it at Michigan.
I like that you came back over an hour after your first response to continue arguing.
This one hurts. We need to fill our class with depth for the defensive side of the ball. We better be careful or else we may end up with the problem we had in the secondary this year at the defensive line positions in the future.
At least there would be 7 (or 8) other players behind them instead of none.
I'm 5'10 180lbs. Put me on the old regime's pizza diet, and I'll suit up at DT. My pad level is ridiculous.
This recruiting class is not looking as good as it needs to be. I'm getting nervous for the program in general. With Brandon leaving RR twisting in the wind like this I can't see how RR can recruit effectively. When we need a strong class it looks like it'll be below average.
Will they even be able to fill all available slots if there is a late coaching change?
a couple slot receivers to the Dline, this is not a problem at all.
Even though they're guaranteed playing time we still can't get anybody?? My guess is this system, and having no idea who the D coordinator, or who the head coach is going to be might have something to do with it. What do we have to sell to a DT with the 3-3-5? "Not only will you get swallowed up by 2-3 lineman at a time, but you'll hardly register any stats unless you go into Mike Martin beast mode." This is frustrating....
This was the case with Mickey Johnson, 4* DT. He did not want to play in a 3-3-5 specifically if he was going to be playing nose tackle and taking on two blockers every play.
Sam Webb mentioned that this was one of Jernigan's main concerns as well
I can't say I know what other top programs are running, but how is the DT role in a 3-3-5 different from that of a DT in a 3-4? Wouldn't this mean guys like Jernigan would be looking specifically at schools running a 4-3 base?
Good luck to him. Man we need some beasts coming in for next season.
How can RR improve the defense if he can't recruit effectively? DB's silence is hurting the program. Notice how all other firings and resignations have taken place already? Gives the new coaches a chance to do damage control with existing recruits and bring in some of their own before signing day.
I'm totally with you on this
This coaching non-decision is getting bigger everyday. I sure hope DB knows what hes doing...
I imagined us bringing in a new DC who runs the 4-3. We go to Jernigan and Cooper and really sell it to them how together they'd be the DT tandem that would wreak havok together. They commit and nobody runs up the gut on us for 4 years.
I had a dream.
Not surprised. Michigan was too much of a black sheep compared to the other schools on his list. It would have been a stretch to think we were at the top.
He better be the next coming of God or we are F'd. Why couldn't Will Campbell just be good?? Is that really too much to ask?
I have high hopes for Washington. He is a bull of a man, and I still think he is a 4* talent on either side of the ball.
Rankings as a recruit mean little sometimes.....
He's solid and doesn't live as far south as Jernigan. Here's hoping he commits to Michigan.
Must have been talking to Will Campbell on the recruiting process.
was not a surprise. As was mentioned piecemeal in above posts, dominant dts do not want to come here and be double-teamed every play in the 3-3-5. Add in an unsettled coach situation, and we are getting nothing on the dl this year. Maybe this is why we are going to have more slots than dl.
Seriously, given the discussions on def coordinator and head coach currently going on, who knows what defense we will be playing in 2011 unless Jeff casteel becomes available after the WVU bowl game.....
Well I drop Tim Jernigan. So there.
One thing is for sure. Our defense will be better by experience alone. It can't get much worse.