alternate headline: man does job
Interesting move, I guess
Freep has an article up with more on price, but no details on the other pieces...
I guess the team feels like they have three OF with Hunter, Davis and J.D. Martinez.
Just an insane trade deadline day
plus Dirks coming back soon
Austin and Smyly are gone. Austin to Seattle. Drew to TB.
At least that's what. Dan and Jim are saying on the radio.
Whaaat? Smyly is the one I don't like. I liked Austin a lot and the only reason I liked the trade was because it might allow them to push Smyly back into the bullpen. They don't need more starting pitching. They need a bullpen. And some Bull Durham kinda magic for Verlander.
They need to find another piece for the bullpen for the playoffs now, since Smyly was most likely headed there.
Well I would imagine Rick moves to the Bullpen for the playoffs now.
Let it play out, if Verlander continues to struggle he could be the man headed to the pen.
I agree. Move Verlander to the pen. Porcello was not that good coming out of the pen last year in the playoffs.
I know JV has the better playoff record but Porcello is the better pitcher for the last season and a half. It is a interesting question.
Agree 100% on Jackson - this is the age he should be blossoming. Instead he is stagnating. Smyly looks like he is going to be very good - like a 2nd/3rd in the rotation guy down the road. He has a 4ish ERA in his first year as a regular starter - those type of guys generally put it together in a few years (see Porcello) and he was a leftie. That leaves the bullpen without the lefty guy you take out of the starting rotation and into the bullpen.
Porcello has been maybe the 3rd best pitcher this year, hard to see him go to the bullpen. I cannot imagine JV going to the bullpen ... he has pitched the worse of the bunch and you can't really trust him can you with 1 out and 2 on to get someone out in the 7th in the playoffs?
I was more than ok with giving up the 2 prospects in the last trade, and Jackson wouldnt get you much alone but man Smyly I think is really going to be a good one.
A's made a crazy trade too.
This trade signals one thing to me- we have officially entered WIN FUCKING NOW mode
but I think the A's have a monopoly on that phrase.
WHo plays center field? Tori doesn't have the speed anymore, Davis commits to many errors......
Davis will play it for sure, he already played CF a couple times when AJ got a day off if i remember correctly
Seems like a good trade, though I did like both Jackson and Smyly. Radio reports said Jackson was pulled from the game a bit ago.
Have to think part of the reason for this is the A's trade. Both teams are loading up, it's on now!
Really weird watching the game.
They announce that the Tigers aquired Price. Then Ausmus comes on the field and I say, "uh oh, wonder if someone got traded and Brad has to take him out." I was half joking. Then Jackson leaves to a standing ovation and hugs everyone in the dugout. Pretty surreal.
So long, Austin.
Smyly too? Getting a starter only make sense if you are doing to move Smyly to the pen.
I like it, as long as Kansas City doesn't sign Alan Oaks.
Well Max is gone, so this trade is for next season as well, with a rotation of Verlander, Price, Sanchez, Porcello, ?
I think Price is a year younger than Max so he is not going to be a cheap signing. This protects you for an extra year though as Price is signed thru 2015. So it gives a rotation of Price, Verlander, Sanchez, Porcello and AAA prospect in 2015. So I understand it from that perspective as a replacement for Max, but it's for 1 year. Porcello is going to get paid too soon.
With Max for sure gone now I wonder what kind of $ the Tigers could throw at Price to keep him in Detroit for the forseeable future.
I don't live in Detroit anymore, but I guess i missed the story about Max being gone. Didn't he sign a big contract? Or are people figuring he'd be trade bait now that his money is so big?
He is a FA after this year, with Boras as his agent, and the prevailing consensus is that he'll test the market and ultimately leave.
he turned down a gazillion dollars at the start of the season.
No they offered him a pretty good contract which he turned down, which is understandable. This is going to be his mega contract. With huge contracts to Verlander and Sanchez, I was surprised they offered Max that sort of money.
They offered him a mega contract. Something like 24M for 6 years. He's apparently looking for the Mecca of contracts.
Takes a little less to be a part of a fucking amazing starting rotation.
as Max does he?
Wow...what a big time move!
Is Price's contract up at the end of this season, out of curiosity? I believe that he had one year of arbitration left and stood to make $20 million-ish next year potentially. Either way, I do like the trade because it reinforces the starting rotation, but like others, I actually did like Austin and Smyly and what they contributed to this team.
I don't think I've ever seen a player get pulled in mid-game because of a trade though - has that ever happened? I seemed to always believe they were usually simply told later on and allowed to complete the game they were in. I could obviously be wrong in that belief, of course.
It happened to Ubaldo a few years ago, I think he was pulled in like the 2nd inning of a game that he started. It was a surreal and pretty sad sight to see Jackson pulled mid inning like that though, I understand not wanting the person you traded for to not get injured and such but damn that was almost heartwrenching to watch.
Price is signed through 2015.
This is awesome even though I will miss Jackson despite him never fully coming around offensively. This is still a huge win. Obviously, Ausmus is going to have to get a consistent center fielder, but a rotation of Scherzer, Price, Verlander, Sanchez is really as good as it gets when October rolls around.
He's been close to the best of the bunch. Verlander man take an ego hit when he goes to the bullpen if he doesn't pull out of his slump.
Going to be an interesting test of our manager. Say Verlander remains the slumping 4.3 ERA type of pitcher. Is there value putting him in the bullpen? Do you trust Verlander to come in the 7th and gettings 2 outs with 2 men on for example? It's a strange situation for your once ace. Porcello has been at times the 2nd best pitcher on the staff and overall 3rd at worse.
It would be an ego hit to Verlander, but certainly not unprecedented. Tim Lincecum's career is almost a perfect parallel to JV, and the Giants used him out of the BP in the playoffs after he started to regress.
Yes I am not so worried about his ego as his ability to get 2 hitters out when there is no margin for error in a 2-1 playoff game coming out of the bullpen with a man on third.
In that pressure situation you still have Soria and Chamberlain to come in.
Whichever starter moves to the pen will be a 6th inning type guy or a guy to come in and eat an inning so that the big three stay fresh.
Soria sucked again and the Tigers about to lose another game and series.
AJ was a damned good center fielder. And although he was struggling at the plate the last few years, recently he's been on a tear, looking like the old Austin Jackson. I really liked him. Oh well. We'll see how it works out.
Have to say I'm a little surprised. Rotation was not the biggest hole they needed to fill and losing Jackson's defensive ability (remember there's a good chance the ALCS will be in Comerica and the Coliseum) and Smyly from the pen could weaken the ability to win the 1-0 games between those two pitching staffs.
So we upgraded the rotation, downgraded the outfield. Didn't touch the pen. Fair assessment?
If you are a glass full type of person, you could say: upgraded the rotation, downgraded the outfield, and helped the pen by getting a starter that goes deep into games more often than not.
If you're glass overflowing type of person, you could say you upgraded the rotation, upgraded the outfield offensively by creating regular playing time for Rajai, and upgraded the bullpen by reducing the amount of innings they should be called upon.
If you're a broken glass person, you can focus on a definite defensive downgrade, further downgrading of an already terrible bullpen, and a potential offensive outfield nightmare if/when Davis and JD Martinez regress to the mean.
With Verlander just a fourth starter at this point in his career (in terms of stuff), the rotation looks better in name than in actual ability, but there is no doubt Price is a huge upgrade over Smyly.
Price is the best lefty in the AL. Jackson is easily replaced by Davis. I like the Smyly potential but huge upgrade for winning now...or next year.
back to back to back Cy Young winners. I don't think even Steinbrenner ever pulled that off did he? Plus Porcello and Sanchez. . .
Damn. I'll miss Jackson. He was improving at the plate, though no guarantee he would continue said improvement.
Yes, he has looked good. But he has been an "eh" hitter for a while now, I think he is what he is at this point.
No idea who is going to field now. In fairness, I think Jackson was a year or two from a corner OF spot anyway.
Jackson at the plate was just a big sine wave. His "improvements" rarely last for long.
You nerd. "A big sine wave." True though.
Don't you think a tangent function is more appropriate. It would look like he was going to get infinitely good then he would look infinitely bad.
The last 3 Cy Young winners in 1 pitching rotation.
His bat not so much. This move is obviously an answer to Oakland's moves yesterday.
Yep. I'm see your Lester and raise you Price.
I like these guys, so it's tough to see them moved. Of course, Ajax has a long history here, too.
But the major issues are now a gaping hole in centerfield and, still, the bullpen. I'm not hugely confident that the Tigers can win like that.
The unspoken subtext here is that Verlander is just not a reliable front-line starter this year. If he were, the Tigers would not need another lock-down starter and could trade pieces for relievers or a bat instead. But every JV start is a questionmark this year--you can't start a questionmark in a game seven.
next year as this year under the assumption that Max is gone. I liked both Jackson and Smyly but it does help and we had too many bodies for the outfield.
Uh...JV won't be starting game 7.
Obviously. Thus the need to upgrade the rotation
Sad to see Jackson go but damn, the last three cy young winners on one rotation, jeebus
goes there now and leaves us solid next year assuming Max leaves. I saw Carrera might be called up for center. He's been killing the ball in Toledo.
Remember people the Tigers can still get a CF or another BP arm before the waiver deadline in August. But for the forseeable future it's Rajai Davis and maybe Ezequiel Carerra as your CF platoon.
He is no gold glove but he is ok in cf.
Probably heresy to say it, but Verlander would make a nice setup/closer in the playoffs. Just let him rear back and fire for an inning or two. If he doesn't put it back together as a starter it might be a reasonable option.
bullpen continues to give away game after game.
Now we have the best starters in the league. And a terrible pen. And no centerfielder. And no lead-off hitter. And the worst hitting catcher in either league. And a rookie shortstop and 3rd baseman.
Unless Miggy and VMart carry us and the pitchers all go 9 innings.....
This is a pretty pessimistic viewpoint. Davis can hit lead off like he's done at times this year, or Kinsler could move up a spot in the lineup. The bullpen has been a worry all year, but Soria has been very good this year and his first couple starts in Detroit could very well be an aberration. Either Verlander or Porcello will go to the pen for the playoffs, which will also help.
Basically, the trade is Jackson/Smyly for Carrera/Price. From a Tigers perspective, that seems fantastic.
Not to poop on the parade, but Joba just had brutal outing. The bullpen is still sooooo bad. You can't possible trust them in a close game.
Holy shit. The last 3 Cy Young winners, plus last years ERA champ, and Porcello—who is having a breakout season.
Like. Dayum son.
Sad to see Jackson and Smyly go, but they were tradeable.
But that rotation.
This is OT
You are the epitome of awful.
I would have been confused wondering when Michigan changed its name to the Tigers, and where Price would play on the football team.
Getting Price for Jackson and Smyly is a huge steal. Not having to give up prospects is amazing. Jackson wasn't going to be resigned next year anyway so no biggie. Smyly hurts because he's a lefty and is coming into his own, but when you have a chance to get David Price, you do it. Looks like its Davis and Carerra in center as others have said, and we still have a shot to upgrade the pen before the august 31st waiver deadline. I trust Dombrowski will get it done.
We lost a SS too. Too lazy to lookup.
If we still have Fister and his 2.69 era, this trade isn't necessary. While I acknowledge Price to be somewhat superior to Fister, the net trade is arguably Smyly and Jackson for Roy and Krol.
Fister is really underrated IMO. He has done nothing but pitch well everywhere he goes - on the old Tigers teams of 12-15 years ago he would have been their ace for 6-8 years.
Looking at how he compares to Price who is an all everything pitcher; last 3 years Price WHIP 1.10, 1.10, 1.05. Fister 1.19, 1.31, 1.08 (NL on the last one). Fister is behind of course but it's not a huge margin and we're talking comparisons to one of the top 5 pitchers in the league the last 5 years.
To put in perspective Max is 1.27, 0.97, 1.17 the past 3 years.
i like fister but he isn't in prices's league. no pun intended.
Tigers would be in a better position if they had just kept Fister to begin with.
Price is better than Flister, but not by nearly as much as eveyone thinks. Fister is actually having a better year, though in the NL. And it wouldn't have cost us anything to get Fister, because we ALREADY HAD HIM.
I think the Tigers jumped the gun and assumed they were signing Scherzer long-term so they started freeing up money for him before he even signed and traded Fister. When he refused to sign, they got caught with their pants down. This is the deal to fix that. They aren't even going to try and sign Scherzer again now, and instead will throw the money at Price, which IMO, is just fine.
If I'm a GM and Dave Dombrowski calls to talk a trade, I'd probably just hang up on him.
Unless your the Nats. After all, he gave them Fister for basically nothing.
And I have the same haircut. I'm also wearing an extremely similar polyester shirt.
Hallelujah! Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?
This is awesome! I'm so happy! I don't even know who he/she is! But everyone else is happy! Hooray!
The Tigers will miss AJ's defense, but he was an inconsistent offensive player. Also, his deal is coming up soon, and his agent is Scott Boras, so they might as well get someone for him while they can.
Based on what statistic?
Based on nothing, I think he is just saying he can't play defense because he doesn't dive lol
no actually whatever those numbers are called that measure a defensive players range and outs they produce, he is one of the worst in baseball. he has been on a sharp decline.
he doesn't come in well at all on balls because he's afraid to dive and he doesn't go back on balls well either. doesn't make for a good cf....
His dWAR has been pretty consistent the last three years. And Davis is in the negative in that department.
what's the deal with Boras? Does he have it an axe to grind with the tigers or something?
Actually, he has a fairly good relationship with the Tigers, from the days when they were overpaying Pudge Rodriguez, to come to Detroit. He's just extremely aggressive and he's going to get his clients the highest possible contracts. He's not a big fan of the "Home Town Discount."
Tigers won't resign Scherzer (Boras client) and they purchase an extra year of elite pitching and an exclusive window to extend Price at the end of 2015.
To the pen in playoffs...blowing 100 plus dudes for 1 inning.
Umm, you may want to check your wording and edit that post. I'm pretty sure that would be the worst inning of Verlander's career.
That's inappropriate. "Blowing 100 plus dudes." Sheesh.
Now we find out he's going down for an entirely different reason.
Now we find out he's going down for an entirely different reason.
That's a lot of dudes
And he said with a grin
as he wiped off his chin.......
I'm laughing so hard at this, my 4 year old keeps asking, "What's so funny?" Can you type a Freudian slip?
Was supposed to say blowing 100+ by dudes...
At least it was funny
Blowing bi guys is just as bad. just sayin'
I give up
At? In the bullpen? Lol , funniest post in awhile!
So the Tigers parlayed Curtis Granderson (and Edwin Jackson/Ian Kennedy) into Scherzer (and Coke) and Price.
Sounds good to me. Thanks Curtis!
Yeah, it's a pretty amazing series of trades all around.
the game was on so I turn on the radio. Silence. I turn up the volume and still silence, I look at the station wondering if I changed it by accident when the announcers begin talking, "Looks like Davis is going out to center field, I think Austin Jackson just got traded"
The trade is a really good one. The Tigers got one of the best starting pitchers in all of baseball for a solid major league centerfielder and a #5 starter. However, I am not ecstatic about it. The Tigers have been eliminated from the playoffs the last couple years because of weak bats and bullpen meltdowns, not starting pitching. That being said, the trade is a good one and makes the team better. But it does nothing to alleviate the problems most likely to end the season sooner than we would like.
and the A's and Angels have pretty good bullpens and we still don't. I agree that it was a good trade and I also agree that the Tigers haven't fixed their main issues. The Tigers need more consistent offense and a reliable bullpen. They addressed the pen with the Soria deal but he has been awful in 3 appearances and they needed more than 1 guy. It will be interesting to see which starter goes to the pen in the post-season and how much he is relied upon.
I'd have liked to see some bullpen help, but the offensive woes were going to still be there with Jackson playing. And honestly, this gives the opportunity to put a guy like Porcello or Verlander in the bullpen come the postseason, which is huge for this team.
Some very mixed emotions, but I understand it's a business decision to hopefully improve the team. I really wanted all the main core guys to stay and be rewarded with a World Series championship. The ones who have been here for the struggle.
I was hoping we could just keeping dumping unproven prospects.
Me too, mixed emotions. In fact, it feels a lot like when Granderson was traded and Jackson was part of the return.
I like this deal a lot. I am no expert or analysis, but this deal makes sense for two major reasons...
1) Many believe Max will not be back with the Tigers next year, and if true, Price can fill his void well.
2) It was thought that Smyly would be the one starter that would be moved to the bullpen to strengthen it during the playoffs. Now,Verlander will probably be the guy who gets moved to the pen. I believe the bullpen would be stronger with Verlander there than Smyly, and Price would be a better number two guy in the playoffs over Verlander.
Bummer to let Austin go. Awesome individual, awesome ball player.
Also, Comerica gives him a standing O. Git yer kleenex ready.
Jackson is a good player to have - he's better than your average CF at the plate and in the field, although I don't think he's getting more than incrementally better from here.
Losing Smyly hurts, but not nearly as much as getting Price helps. The Tigers will be better served during their World Series window with Price than with Smyly and that's gotta be the overriding concern.
That piper is going to present quite the bill in two years, though.
I can't believe I'll agree with Valenti, but he was spot on:
Anyone who thinks this is anything but a major coup is an idiot. It's DAVID PRICE people. DAVID PRICE. Do you not understand how much better he is than not just Drew Smyly, but perhaps ANYONE on our pitching roster.
Total steal. We now have 4 SP that we can expect to go 7 deep in every playoff game.
Adding Price helps the bullpen more than Smyly moving to the bullpen does (less innings for the BP and now can send Porcello or Verlander there and still have 4 "aces" in the playoff rotation).
have an outfield consisting of Martinez, Hunter and Davis.
Thats a really bad defensive outfield.
The pitchers will have huge burden on them come play-off time. On paper it would seem they would be up to the task.
We shall see i guess.
DKB will get more playing time at center field.
Dirks will be back soon too
Davis is better than Jackson so really its an upgrade
Jackson has a 1.8 WAR to Davis' 1.0. Davis also has a negative dWAR while Jackson has a positive one.
Jackson's loss defensively will be felt, but this team is full of strikeout pitchers and I still think Davis and Hunter can play competent defense. Jackson wasn't making that outfield amazing either; I rather have David Price and accept a drop defensively.
Is using verlander as the two or three I ting closer a terrible idea or just outside the box managing?
think that might be a good idea to move JV to the pen for the play-offs.
But i would assume he would not be too thrilled with it and would likely veto the idea.
Anytime you can pick up David price for what we gave up, you have to be thrilled. Makes their starting pitching better now and next year. Now, those who are predicting verlander to the pen, don't know verlander very well, there's no way that is happening. I think DD will nab another bullpen arm in August and maybe another defensive outfielder type. Like I said, you don't turn away David price because you can't let go of Austin Jackson or Drew smyly. They made out better than Oakland because the A's gave up a damn good hitter for a good pitcher not as good as David price.
I gotta admit I wasn't the biggest Jackson fan the last year or so but was happy to see him put together a solid last few weeks back on top of the lineup. As far as Smyly goes. He could be a very solid starter someday. But I don't think he will ever be on the level or near David Price. Plus if and when Max leaves next year, you will still have Price for another year. That's huge, and I'm sure DD will do what he can to lock him up for awhile. I love the trade... The only thing I wonder now is who goes to the pen come playoff time? JV or a possible 18 + game winner Porcello?
Will be in the pen, hopefully it's a moot point as Soria can take the 7th, joba 8th and Nathan to close.
Great pickup. Jackson is a competent center fielder but isn't probably going to become an offensive standout (he's had fine seasons, but as a guy who has watched him on fantasy teams for years I'm not expecting some amazing turnaround). Smyly and Adames are young guys who could be blossom, but when you can get one of the best 5-6 pitchers in the league for another year and half, you have to make that pick-up.
As a Mariner fan, Jackson automatically becomes our best OF option. And all we did was give up Nick Franklin, a guy that had no future with the team since Cano signed.
Great trades for both Ms and Tigers. Not really sure what TB was thinking though. They couldve had Addison Russell from Oakland before they shipped him to Chicago.
Dombrowski .... IS gone. So who plays CF and who is the LH hitter upgrade.
Trades to come in august, not done yet IMO
Except the trade deadline was today....
The waiver deadline lasts until late August, he is correct that deals can still happen, players just need to clear waivers.
You must be suggesting that Dombrowski would quit if they don't win because there's absolutely zero chance of him getting fired. He's pretty much universally regarded as one of the best in the biz.
The best hope for the Dombrowski haters is that he becomes the next commissioner. He's not getting fired. Regardless of the Illitch open check book, he brought the Tigers from one of the worst teams in major league history, to a team that is consistently in the playoffs.
Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?
may illitch live 1000 years!
can't believe how tepid the response is. we didnt give up much for a top 3 or top 5 pitcher, for imo, a pretty blah package. is smyly that hot of a prospect? his cieling looks like a 3/4 starter to me. i think ray shows more upside.
aj's defense wasnt as great as it once was, and i believe the baseball nerds agree. he once looked like a + bat, but now he is looking closer to average. he's nearing getting paid, i thought he might be a budget casualty.
adames is some 18 kid we likely will not hear from again.
to me, that is not an A+ package.
we get price this year and next. thats nuts.
our rotation wasnt living up to their reputation. after sherzer, it was a guessing game of what you'd get. i think price will be a big step up from everyone but sherzer.
If you put any stock in the advanced metrics stuff, his defense had been in serious decline. He was an elite ELITE defensive CF in 2010 and 2011 but had been in decline since then and had been thoroughly average this season. That isn't to say he is bad, but he hasn't been the star defender that he was a few years ago for whatever reason.
#1: Go A's. They actually had the best rotation in the AL for about 6 hours. Then Dave pulled a rabbit out of his hat.
#2: Scherzer is gone. He's going to be in Boston or Yankee uniform next year. This trade was a "win now" deal, with eyes on next year as well.
Jackson has been inconsistent offensively so far in his career, but he was still the best leadoff option for the Tigers. Davis is not an everyday leadoff guy, he never never talks a walk and is a free-swinger. The guy they are bringing up from Toledo (Carrera) has been cut loose by two different teams and has spent most of his professional time in the minors. His .307 batting average at Toledo will most likely not translate to the majors.
Also the bullpen situation is still not very good. This team has no proven lefty in the pen. Smyly could have been that guy if he wasn't included in the deal. Hardy has pitched well so far, but he is unproven at this point. Soria doesn't look comfortable in the 7th inning, which is not suprising since he is used to closing. The odds of Nathan turning it around still are not very good IMO.
Davis is also a horrible defensively outfielder. Jackson hasn't been as good defensively the last couple years as he was before, but he is still far from the butcher in the field that Davis is.
Amazing trade for the Tigers. DD does it again. Greatest rotation I have ever seen.
Based on this year's numbers, it's not even the best rotation in the AL. What guys have done in the past is not really relevant to what is going on this year. If would be one thing if Verlander was still pitching like a Cy Young caliber pitcher, but last I checked his ERA is pushing 5.00 this year. Sanchez and Scherzer have also not been as good as they were last year. Porcello is the only guy in the rotation who has improved and not taken a step back from last year.
There is no doubt that Price makes this rotation better, but I really feel like people are ignoring the downsides of the deal and not looking at the signficant holes/issues that the Tigers still have. Namely the lack of dangerous left handed hitters in the lineup besides V-Mart, the lack of a proven/suitable leadoff guy, the lack of a proven left handed reliever or two, poor defense in the outfield, Soria not looking good so far, and Nathan still being a huge questionable mark and potential liability. These are all things that could come back to bite a team in the playoffs.
Despite giving up Cespedes to get Lester, Oakland still has to be the favorite in the AL at this point. Even if the Tigers can match Oakland's starters, Oakland still has the edge in the pen. Of course, the Angels also seem to have the Tiger's number as well, though I like the Tigers starters better in that matchup.
Greatest rotation ever doesnt have a guy pushing 5 on ERA. Their highest WAR guy is Scherzer, followed by Porcello then Price
Right now Id take Kershaw/Greinke/Beckett over that. And Ryu (1.6) has a higher WAR than Verlander (.4).
Re: Price to Tigers, Beane "had a feeling it was going to happen." Dombrowski jokingly texted, "You have 1 minute to acquire Chris Sale"
— Jane Lee (@JaneMLB) August 1, 2014
Looking for the link now.
This move won't help unless soria and Nathan step it up in the pen.
Feel a little bad for Smyly, who found out via the internet before Dave D. had a chance to talk to him:
"I don't really have anything to say. It was unexpected. I didn't see it coming," Smyly said.
"I didn't want to leave here. These guys are awesome. We have a great team, a winning team, so it's hard to say goodbye, but it's part of baseball. It happens to everybody."
it occurs to me that this is the exact type of move that post-2004-dumars never made. i turned on dumars and couldnt care less about the crap the pistons role out these days, despite being a die hard fan 10 years ago. when you can win a championship, the team needs to do their best to do so. tigers do, and when it gets lean in a couple year's i'll remember. tigers might have won it all without this trade, but that wasnt good for dd. he saw a way to boost the odds and took it.
it also occurs to me that this trade does remind me of a pre-post-2004-dumars move, which was the then best trade deadline move a detroit team had made in my life time, the 2004 acquistion of rasheed wallace. the pistons were good before the trade, but the stars alligned and they gave away scrap for the perfect missing piece. different sport, but it feels very similar to me.