Thursday Night NCAA Football Open Thread
Spread offenses never work against really good manball teams..Period.. We had the same issue during RR era, everytime we played a good defense we couldnt do shit
I kid. I kid.
8 of the top 10 teams runs spread offense.....
Osu, oregon, who else?
The other game tonight featured two spread teams in Baylor and Oklahoma but the latter mixes some other looks in there. Mizzou, Clemson, and Auburn are all spread teams as well. Florida State is a multiple scheme offense that is spread heavy but could probably be counted as a spread offense. Other teams in top 25 that run spread offenses: Ok. St., Texas A&M, Fresno St., UCLA, Louisville, UCF, N. Illinois, Arizona St., Notre Dame and Texas Tech.
You do understand what a spread offense is right?? Really OU? Arizona ST, Notre D
I like watching Stanford on both sides of the ball.
Anyone catch the announcers saying how many seniors Stanford has on the 2 deep? I thought they said 14. Does Michigan even have 14 seniors on the entire roster? Let alone on the 2 deep.
Easy to see that these guys, on both sides of the ball, have played together a great deal and have great chemistry.
Delayed gratification, personafied
I hope this will give some of the sky is falling folks some perspective. Instead of wringing our hands over every game, let alone every play call, wondering who should be fired, maybe we should take a step back and realize this kind of chemistry and experience, and as a result this kind of competency, doesn't happen overnight.
Doesn't mean they won't either!
Lots of people are using this game as a "See, we're fine", whereas people, like in yesterday's recruiting roundup, are saying "See FIRE BORGES!" It's like any time someone can twist something back to that debate, it happens. I don't mind the debate when it's in certain places for certain topics, but man, every thread (including the fire borges crowd earlier in this thread) gets turned into it.
There's no crying in football.
He cried now he is hurt...
I hope Derrick Green is watching this Gaffney kid run.
I hope our offensive line are watching Gaffney's blockers block!
I can't even imagine the frustration of being an Oregon fan today. Actually I can. This is RR vs Wisconsin, when they threw 1 pass the entire 2nd half. You know what's coming and you can't do anything to stop it.
than we did last week, don't you think?
I think OU did, i think its time for Stoops to fire his own brother
Has Oregon gotten a defensive stop further out than its own 10-yard line?
Must be Oregon's OC tonight, right?
Borges doesnt spread?? Whaaaat lol
This is what Hoke wants to build Michigan into, guys.
I don't doubt that's what Hoke wants to accomplish. The question is whether or not he actually has the capability to do so.
His approach to shuffling around the offensive coaching staff in the offseason will tell you whether he gets it. If I were him, I'd start trying to poach Mike Bloomgren away from Stanford.
Stanford went 4-8, 5-7, 8-5 in the first three years under Harbaugh. They fired neither OC or OL coach, in fact the OC was David Shaw, the current head coach.
On one hand, if there's truly an issue a change is in order, but there's something to be said for continuity and Stanford is a perfect example. If Hoke doesn't shuffle the staff this year, it doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't "get it." It just means that he thinks they need more time.
Borges has been an OC for nearly thirty years.
Shaw was just starting out after brief stints as a position coach.
The amount of leeway you give one compared to the other should vary, yes?
If anything that gives Borges more time, he's got a track record to show he can win given enough time to mold a team (for the most part). The point is, these things take time, and the more you're taking the short view and putting people on hotseats before they've had a chance to succeed, the longer it's going to take your team to get there eventually.
and it's not us.
So does Oregon still want Bama?
a replica of Bama.
Stanford vs Alabama would be an interesting game.
FSU was better than Oregon going into this game to begin with
But...if state plays OSU in the big championship game...OSU wins...does date still go to the rose bowl?
Assuming OSU gets the nod over FSU for the NC game?
*state not date
Prolly not, nobody liked MSU
I would be absolutely shocked if undefeated OSU gets in over undefeated FSU.
I hope not. I think Baylor would jump over OSU. OSU still goes to the Rose Bowl.
If a Big Ten team goes to the national title game, the Rose is no longer obligated to choose a conference school.
Mariota doesn't look anything like a Heisman candidate, much less the front-runner. I'm not sure you can ever really know how good Oregon skill players are because the system is going to get them a ton of yards/TDs.
(Except against Stanford, obviously.)
It's indescribable how much fun it is to watch Josh Garnett dominating for Stanford while we redefine struggling up the middle.
Mariotta can kiss the Heisman goodbye
-Racks up yardage between the 20's but garbage red zone offense
-Fumbles a lot
-Defense gets manhandled by power running teams
Fun to watch but ultimately not National Championship quality.
I really miss dominant manball
The only way Stanford could have a larger numerical advantage over Oregon is if ESPN put up the SAT scores.
Time of possession
Stanford pretty much owns the night.
Oregon wasn't scoring even when they had it most of the game
football Gods...do not let Ohio get in the National Championship game let alone win it. I will never hear the end of it.
God's probably busy, but Michigan can have a say about it.
I live in Michigan. I am more concerned about MSU actually making the Rose Bowl.
This is a 2003 MSU-like performance from Gaffney.
Aw man, right when I was going to bed...
too little too late maybe
Oregon professionally shoots themselves in the foot repeatedly.
Wow Oregon can't get in the endzone.
Nonetheless, I fear too little too late.
That name sounds familiar
Its a good thing oregon scored all these late points or they would have to fire somebody!
27 mins. ago...
No way Oregon gets this.
Brooding hot Stanford girl is hot.
The Oregon coach just doesn't look like a head coach.
Well, how things work out for Jake Fisher and Pharoah Brown?
a narrow win after utter domination probably hurts both Oregon and Stanford. May also benefit OSU. That makes Buckeye tears even sweeter when we win The Game, right? Right? Hey, guys....
jump over OSU when all is said and done.
If nothing else, this game at least proves that Manball is worth waiting for . . . if we can ever get there.
Man...this is not setting up well. Alabama drops a game and OSU is all but guaranteed a title game spot. I hate that we suck.
Baylor looked the more impressive team than OSU this season.
OSU's weak schedule will preclude from a title game appearance.
It really worries me that Hoke is essentially modeling their program essentailly after Stanford. Hoke is no where near Harbaugh, I mean by 2015 we are Stanford lite.
Makes little sense on a few levels. First, Harbaugh is no longer there. Second, we are recruiting on Harbaugh levels. Third, you don't know that about Hoke based on anything other than his answers to dumb press conference questions.
This game should be encouraging to everyone that the program is headed in the right direction.
1) Most of the Upperclassman are Harbaugh, also they are running the same system as he ran. Also current HC is Harbaugh Cordinator, which speaks to quality of his staff. I dont see anyone on this staff that we could see as taking over for Hoke. Remember we are still blaming Rich Rod, so Harbaugh still has a major impact on this team.
2) Actually better I believe, but that can be negated by 1,2.
3) I think Hoke has made it pretty clear they want to run the same thing as Stanford. As far as headed in right direction, Stanford is smart enough not to consistently run tackel over crap over and over, we arn't. Also our run game, game plan and stategy is awful, Stanfords is dam good.
has been doing for longer than UM. Apparently you think teams should be wade in over night. How perfectly asinine.
Never thought I'd see the day where Michigan is striving to be/emulating Stanford in football.
i am so jealous of Stanford, been saying it since last year when we were clearly struggling to be a Bo-Ball team (still am, still are)
I like your assesment about Shaw when he was coordinator...im somewhere between the "Fire Borges!" and Borges Apologist spectrum, I still think we need time to see what his players in his scheme can do. That obvioulsy leaves me worried thinking he will just continue to fail even with his players, and his developed line in a year or 2.
It seems like Hoke does not need to shy from philosophy, because, good God, look at Stanford. A team that was a 40 pt u-dog to USC in 2007, and look what they have become. If they can do it, surely we can with the right mix of coaches, scheme, and players.
It seems Hoke needs to fire up his offensive staff with some younger coordinators of similar philosophy to Shaw, Harbaugh, and Bo (obviously). I would love to see a young offensive guy either as a coordinator, line coach, or RB's coach who could be a primed O-coordinator or Coach in waiting when Hoke or Borges time is done. The last thing I want to see Michigan do is fire Hoke in a year or 2 and change overall philosophy again, we will just have another 3-5 years of pain. We would be a 'rinse and repeat has been' much like Notre Dame was for 20 years with all the coaching changes....What this program needs is continuity a-la Bo. Hopefully with a plethora of B1G champs, and some MNC's sprinkled in.
It would pain me a little to see Hoke fired in a couple years if we see much more of the same thru 2015 (because regardless of outcome, i love the guy), but if we did, we would need to go after a guy like Shaw to be our coach, not a guy like Art Briles or Pat Fitzgerald who would just need another 5 years to implement his philosophy. We will be stacked talent-wise by then with manballers.
Go Blue! Hope you watched Stanford last night!
Stanford under Harbaugh modeled its offense to Bo's methodology (and Wisconsin under Alverez). That notwithstanding, they execute it much better at present than we do.
clearly cannot coordinate away games. RPS -3.
The BCS computers don't account for Margin of Victory anymore right? That's left up to the voters now IIRC. Everyone was watching this game tonight and they all know it was a blowout. Oregon's beauty points won't mean much.
I tuned into the game about half way through the 4th quarter, in time to see Oregon return a blocked FG for a TD, recover an onside kick and get a TD. It really looked for awhile there that Oregon might just pull off a miracle come back.