Many of the brackets have not updated since Syracuse lost. Beat Indiana and a 2 seed becomes possible if not likely.
Agreed. Winning the toughest (or second-toughest, depending on your level of southerness) league in America by 2 games HAS to at least count for a 2-seed, as a team like Syracuse is floundering against the dregs of the ACC.
And yes, Wisconsin is rolling, but no, they don't deserve to be ranked ahead of us. Sorry. Hopefully Nebraska solves this problem for us.
Wins over Florida (yeah they were not 100% healthy), UVA, St Louis(looking less impressive now) are WAY more impressive than our OOC wins. Makes it hard to justify us over them considering we split our matchup (even though we are outright B1G champs. That being said, in my not so objective opinion, as an outsider I would much rather face Wisconsin in the tournament than Michigan. I too am pulling for Nebraska to make this point moot.
The best part about this is all the spellings of Lunardi. It still makes me laugh every time.
Consistency is inconsistent
Inconsistency is consistent.
I actually LOL'ed
Screw Wisconsin. They are not a 2 seed. They choke every year in the tourney. Will be no different this year.
Lunardi gave them a dream scenario. Creighton as the #3 and WSU as the #1.
If Wisconsin loses to Nebraska, that could be our bracket.
Not sure I'd consider Creighton the dream matchup. They are literally the only team in the country that I think could beat us at "HORSE" as Brian puts our general strategy.
I agree with your comment about playing HORSE. However, I do not want to play Cuse or Duke at all. I know Cuse is on a slide and we beat them last year, but their length and athletic big men could be a nightmare if we are not in the zone in terms of shooting. I just think Duke is a strong team that will be difficult for anyone in the tournament.
I completely agree with this statement. I love how so many people say Wisconsin is better than Michigan, but the teams split the season series and Michigan won the conference. How does that make sense?
Because non conference games exist. The argument for Wisconsin is: split season series with Michigan, and did better than Michigan in all other games, with a comparable schedule strength.
I understand your point, but don't agree with that idea. Non-conference games don't mean much. Michigan won more conference games and split the series, therefore I think they're the better team. On a neutral floor, I think Michigan wins.
EDIT: I guess it's hard to use the neutral court argument considering Michigan beat them in their house and Wisconsin beat Michigan in Crisler.
Thanks to you I have no idea how to correctly spell his name! (and that's just fine with me)
And, to stay on topic, I just don't see how Wisconsin is a #2 seed.
I can see it. If you compare resumes, they are pretty similar. We both have one bad loss (Charlotte vs. Northwestern), we both lost at Indiana, we split each other on the road. Their only two other losses are at Minnesota and Ohio State at home. The biggest thing separating us (and keeping them above us) is that we lost to Arizona and Duke, while they beat Florida and Virginia. They have a legit resume.
That said, I still expect them to burn out of the tournament in the first weekend. And I will laugh when they do.
John Feinstein claimed multiple times this morning on his radio show that Michigan should be the final 1 seed. I thought it was interesting consider I think we're at 2 at best, but it was nice to get some national love.
How do you weigh it all out. You could argue Michigan against any school this year.
WSU: Who have they beat?
Zona: Hasn't looked nearly as good since Brand Ashley went down. (Committe takes injuries into consideration.)
Florida: SEC is dreadful.
Kansas: Ok tough to put us past Kansas.
Villanova: Who has they beat. 4-3 vs RPI top 50
Virigina: Benfited from an inbalanced schedule.
All the same I don't think they will get a 1 seed. But look at it from this stand point. There is a chance that Michigan wins the toughest conferene in college basketball by 3 games. Maybe they struggled early but its pretty clear to see that since January 1st Michigan is just as good as anyone else in the country.
You could argue for us ahead of Kansas if Embiid is more hurt than we know. If doesn't play in the Big 12 tourney and Kansas struggles a bit, the committee would, and should, take that into account. Hell, injuries aside, if we win our conference tourney and Kansas doesn't, we would likely be above them.
Forgot about the Embiid injury. Good point.
I agree on the tourney account, I was going off of right now.
I know most people don't agree, but I really think this team is 3 wins away from a 1 seed. Beat Indiana and win first 2 games in the BTT.
Although it WI makes the final with us, I think it would be winner gets the 1 seed loser gets a 2. Assuming WI wins out.
Well UM has the #2 Conference RPI in the country. Only AZ is higher. So if this "committee" would judge based on what have you done for me kinda lately (largely throw out non-conf), we would have to be a #1.
Over at TeamRankings, they have altered their projections a little bit (Duke is now a #3 and SDSU moved up, to name a couple changes from earlier). The top four seeds in their model now are -
#1 seed - Arizona, Villanova, Florida, Wichita State
#2 seed - Kansas, Wisconsin, Michigan, Syracuse
#3 seed - Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, Crieghton
#4 seed - Iowa Stata, Michigan State, Louisville, San Diego State
We are playing at a very high level. ...but I would prefer to NOT play Kansas again. They are the most athletic team in the Tourney. Them and Florida would be our toughest competition.
Man, I think any of those two seeds should be above Villanova. They should not be a 1 seed.
Nobody wants to see Michigan in this tourney. We are very dangerous and hungry.
I was just thinking I dont want to play X, Y, Z. However, I bet every team is thinking that about Michigan.
I definitely want the Palm bracket!
Closet Michigan-hater Drew's Bracketology continues his assault on reason, listing Michigan as the last 4-seed on his S-curve.
This is Drew's first year in the Matrix and with his offerings throughout the season, it looks like he's going to be far off the pace of the actual bracket. Laugh at guys like Luuunadrdiandiii and Palm all you want (well maybe not Palm, at least not for his brackets, but that hair), they are usually pretty close in their picks and seeds (not the best, but still good). Picking the actual teams isn't too hard; seeding is the tricky thing. Drew doesn't quite have that part down yet.
I commented on his last post, questioning his placement of Saint Louis so far ahead of Michigan, as well as Creighton, Cincy, and Duke.
I tweeted Lunardi and told him that it's absurd that Michigan wins maybe the best conference in college basketball by 2 games and he puts us as a 3 seed.
Out of conference still counts and we still started 6-4 with a loss to charlotte, Villanova has nothing like that on their resume.
Also I really selfishly want michigan to be in the east bracket, even if it means a 3 instead of a 2 because I live in NYC. But I could also for sure see Michigan fans taking over MSG and that would be great.
Wisconsin lost to Northwestern. I think there's more of an excuse to losing to shitty teams earlier on the season and not late.
For some reason it seems to me like all of the potential 6 seeds are especially dangerous this year. Would love to sneak in to a 2 spot.
If we beat IU and make the final of the BTT, that's what should happen.
Cheer for Nebraska, Minnesota, and Stanford because Nebraska's RPI is 50, Minnesota's is 48 and Stanford 47. Those are 5 wins that could be gone just like that. From 10-5 and 2nd most RPI top 50 wins to 5-5.
Wichita St's record against Top 50: 2-0. Their SOS is triple digits. Yeah, they're undefeated but I don't see how they deserve a #1 seed. I'm not saying they shouldn't be a high seed, but a #1 seed who has only played 2 Top 50 teams and has a SOS in the triple digits doesn't seem right.
I agree. But what can you do? They won all of their games, and they were in the Final Four a year ago. The best thing to do is put the highest 2-seed in their region, and then it's not all that different.
Win the BTT. If we do, it'd be awfully hard for the cmte to make the regular season and tourney champs from the toughest conference a three, especially if it'd mean putting us behind another team from our own conference.
Beat Indiana and win one game in the BTT and we're a 2 seed I think. Beat Indiana and win the BTT and we have a legit shot at the last one seed.
OSU does not deserve a sixth seed, but that is just my opinion, which is correct by the way.
Wisconsin and Villanova are the top 2 seeds right now. I think Villanova is, as usual, overrated, and will flame out early, but you can't say their resume is worse than any of those teams. They have three losses, all to top 12 RPI teams, a neutral site win over Kansas, and most importantly, they have no bad losses.
Syracuse, Michigan, and Virginia should be the three teams fighting for the other 2 #2 seeds, and each have two losses outside the top 50. I have Michigan and Virginia as #2 seeds with Syracuse the top #3 seed, although based on resume it should probably be Syracuse, Michigan, Virginia. I just think that the second terrible loss by Syracuse proves that the first one wasn't a fluke, and they also don't have the road success that Michigan has, with wins at Wisconsin, MSU, and OSU.
I don't understand Duke ahead of Michigan at all. Both have 7 losses, but Michigan's are to better teams, and Michigan has better wins as well. Duke has one road win against the RPI top 100 (!), a win at Pitt, who is on their way out of the tournament if they can't get a decent win. Michigan has 5 in the top 50. That's a miss by Lunardi.
The sparkline on Crashing the Dance is a pretty cool way to look at a teams season long performance.
I know Syracuse is a wreck right now, but I don't want to play them either. Include our vanquished foes from last year Kansas and Florida in the "please avoid" pile.
Agreed. Although I wouldn't mind seeing Louisville to get a little revenge. I wouldn't be surprised if the committee made that happen - would be good for TV.
The selection committee does not set forth matchups based upon intrigue or being "good for TV."
Florida is overrated. They struggled with Auburn and Mississippi State.
Checking the numbers this morning:
Virginia is the last 2 seed with a 2.42 avg seed
Duke is now a 3 seed with a 2.59 avg seed
Michigan is 2nd 3 seed with a 2.60 avg seed.
It's going to come down to the wire.. We need to take care of business with Indiana.
Take care of Indiana and win a few games in the BTT, coupled with early ACC exits by Duke and Syracuse would be glorious.
Go UNC (Duke) tomorrow and FSU (Cuse) on Sunday.
Also, go Nebraska.