Thoughts on your team from a State fan -- Neg away

Submitted by GoBlogSparty on

A few thoughts I'd like to share regarding both the game and the team:

- Denard: the man. The guy is a beast out there and what's even more impressive is his maturity. Personally, I wasn't a huge fan of Tate forcier because it seemed like all of the fame and attention somewhat went to his head. Denard is different. Much different. He will be accomplishing great things in the winged helmet in the future (maybe even this year). Even if you go through the realm of RCMB, there are posts showing him praise.

-Defense: Young. I don't know if it's an issue of not knowing the schemes, or a lack of talent, but the good news for you guys is that this group will grow together and be hungry together. Undergoing a system change is difficult (trust me, state fans know what it's like to go from spread to conventional). Next year will be a critical year to see what this defense can do.

-Rich: In all honesty, I believe the hiring of RichRod by Michigan may have been the biggest break that MSU could ask for. I don't say that in a snarky way or in vain. Just stating my honest opinion. I think he is an offensive wizard and his system is very complex and can be dangerous. I don't think he's a very good Xs and Os coach when it comes to the fundamentals (i.e. time management at the end of the half today). But, I think the main coaching flaw for Rich is that he puts a whole heck of a lot of stake in one player. At WVU, it was Pat White. They were 1 game away from a BCS championship game and what happens? White gets injured in the 4th, and they lose to a 4-win Pittsburgh team. This year, MSU stacks the box and stops Denard, and the offense sputters. Bottom line: When I was in undergrad and Lloyd was running the show, guys like Edwin Baker, Le'Veon Bell and heck even the 2-star Kirk Cousins would have without a doubt  been considering Michigan before even thinking about State.

 

Those are my thoughts. Feel free to neg away.

P.S. anybody see Bielema running up the score on Minn late in the 4th while being up big? Class-less. I'm happy to say that neither of our coaches would do that in a game.

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MEZman

October 10th, 2010 at 12:29 AM ^

So lets fire RR and have all the kids that love him leave the team and hire someone else who'll go 3-9 or worse? That's the ticket! That would surely bring a badly fractured fanbase back together. I mean it's worked so well at ND the past 3 or 4 times they've tried it right? Right? Hello....?

I'll take 7-5 and see what happens next year with a JR Denard, Woolfolk back, hopefully Mike Martin back (please God please!), and the secondary with 1 more year of experience. Thank you very much.

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ShruteBeetFarms

October 10th, 2010 at 10:27 AM ^

FLorida hasn't looked good this season and Nebraska hasn't been tested yet. Hell, the Zookers look better than Florida at this point. Maybe there is a closed door talk of Florida getting Zook back??? 

It seems to me that if ignorant football fans had their way, a lot of good coaches would be unemployed after this season. Here's the list

Brian Kelly- loses his job b/c God doesn't like the spread the offense

Mark Richt- loses his job b/c he apparently lost the ability to coach over the offseason

Les Miles- loses his job for starting his season 6-0

Mac Brown- loses his job b/c no one should loses to UCLA in the state of Texas

Hosuton Nutt- loses his job b/c he did not make Ole Miss an SEC powerhouse (same as his deal with Arkansas)

I could go on and on, but what's the point. Why be a rational fan???

 

 

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El Jeffe

October 10th, 2010 at 9:00 AM ^

Los Barcos, I have been reading your stuff for a while and have come to the conclusion that you aren't a Michigan fan. You are a Lloyd Carr fan. Which is cool, I guess. He is, without a doubt a great man.

But you never miss an opportunity to point out your dislike of the head football coach of the team you supposedly root for, and you never miss an opportunity to defend LC, even from the most gentle offhand comments that reference his (in my view minor but real) culpability in the current state of the defense.

I really think you should stop following Michigan football until they fire Rodriguez and hire someone you think is better, like Lloyd was, apparently.

No sugarcoat.

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Wolverine318

October 10th, 2010 at 11:09 AM ^

It doesn't exist in black and white. You have a right to critically asses the program, without distorting facts against Rich. Facts are that lloyd through in the towel his last three seasons. It is not Rich's fault, Lloyd's players were used to a country club and being guaranteed starting positions. Too bad that is not how the real world works.

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Bando Calrissian

October 10th, 2010 at 11:15 AM ^

But you can distort the facts about Lloyd Carr (and other coaches from other programs) to positively assess Rich Rodriguez?

Lloyd did not "throw in the towel" the last three years, and if he had, he would not have had the opportunity to be carried off the field in Orlando on January 1st.   Coaches who throw in the towel resign the Sunday after the game.  That team came together after 0-2, fought hard, and beat the Heisman winner in a bowl game no one gave them a chance to win.  

Listen, you're entitled to your opinion, but if you're going to spout off about Lloyd to defend RR, at least get the facts straight.  So far, you're not exactly excelling in that regard.

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Bando Calrissian

October 10th, 2010 at 12:21 PM ^

So 2006 never happened?  And he should have retired after the sophomore slump of an excellent freshman class in 2005?  Or after a Rose Bowl trip after 2004 that was one Vince Young masterpiece and a fingertip-on-a-field goal away from a win?

Come.  On.  This "should have retired 3 years earlier" meme is just about the most tired of the bunch.

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wolverine1987

October 11th, 2010 at 8:06 AM ^

was not that "Lloyd threw in the towel and should have retired three years ago" thereby screwing our talent base for the future. It was that no one should judge the defense too harshly because we had unprecedented attrition and lack of talent available, compared to other top teams. Mispogon did no judge LC, nor should he have. It was a combination of many factors that led to the transfers, dropping out of school, and guys not working out. If you judge LC for that, then you would have to harshly judge RR for our unreal level of transfers the last year.

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M-Wolverine

October 10th, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^

You say you should support the team and it's staff....but yet you can be critical too... It is possible to be critical, and support them. It's called being a rational, thinking human being. Not that with your past rants I think you fall into that category. But you seem to be free to trash previous staff, but still can't find anything to say negative about Rich. Oh, and players are free game to trash...but not Rich. You're just a hypocrite.

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Wolverine318

October 10th, 2010 at 4:13 PM ^

Jesus you are freaking moron and typical of the american educational system. 

 

Here is a me being critical of Rich: He seems to have trouble not micromanaging every facet of the program. If he wants the defense to get better let GERG have full reigns of the program and run his defense and hire his own assistants. He also needs to require GERG to recruit outside of A2. 

Fuck off if you think I am a hypocrite. I have no time for douchenoggles like you. 

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M-Wolverine

October 11th, 2010 at 10:28 AM ^

For someone who brags about his accomplishments and IQ so much, you think you could construct a better argument. And I don't think you're a hypocrite, I know it. You've illustrated it perfectly, time and time again.  You make base attacks against every player who leaves, trashing them personally without knowing them, but have a problem when someone does the same to you.  You trash all the players equally for leaving, but only hold Lloyd accountable for his players that leave, but not Rich for Rich's. That's pretty much the definition of hypocrite. The fact that you fly off the handle when you're called on it doesn't make it not true. 

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Wolverine318

October 11th, 2010 at 3:04 PM ^

Did even read the fucking post? If I didn't know any better given the shear fact given by your ability to post, I would have guessed you are illiterate. I criticized rich in the post. But know you continues with your personal bias against me.

I guess I better be more aware of the thought police on this board. 

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dnak438

October 11th, 2010 at 3:16 PM ^

(1) Lloyd THREW in the towel, he did not "through in the towel."  Through is a preposition.

(2) the SHEER fact, not the "shear" fact.  Shear is a verb that means "cut" (or a noun that means "something that cuts.")

If you are going to criticize others for being illiterate/typical products of bad education, then you are open to this kind of criticism.

Also, grow up.

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dnak438

October 11th, 2010 at 4:25 PM ^

Obviously you DO care what people on the board think.  That's fine.  Nobody's telling  you what to think... and if they are, feel free to ignore them.  But some of us ARE suggesting that you be a bit more patient, less quick to anger, and less insulting to others.  We're all passionate about Michigan, or we wouldn't be on MGoBlog in the first place.

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M-Wolverine

October 12th, 2010 at 9:11 AM ^

 

"Did even read the fucking post?"

" But know you continues with your personal bias against me."

 

It's not that the odd typo is that criminal an offense....it's that someone who constantly brags about how smart he is, and insults other people's intelligence (" If I didn't know any better given the shear fact given by your ability to post, I would have guessed you are illiterate. "), you'd be more careful, and be able to, you know, use words properly.  

 

It leads ones to believe that he's either completely fabrication his superior intelligence, or, more likely, works himself in so a lather that his IQ drops 100 points when posting. I'm not sure which would be worse.

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joeyb

October 10th, 2010 at 1:44 PM ^

As I was walking to downtown there was a Sparty fan shaking hands and saying "Good game". On the opposite side of the sidewalk there was an MSU fan saying "Go fuck yourself. Fuck your mother." to every Michigan fan walking by.

I too appreciate the fans with sportsmanship.

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Mitch Cumstein

October 9th, 2010 at 11:50 PM ^

That is a game I would like to see.  This year is really the best MSU has been in my lifetime and they don't get to prove it on the field.  It would be fitting if in the last year of the no championship b10 there were two undefeated teams.

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UMAmaizinBlue

October 9th, 2010 at 11:51 PM ^

But you have some valid points. Maybe I'm just too numb for rage. However, I will refrain from pos-ing you. I'm sure you'll understand.

 

Now please, get off the interwebz and go get drunk and/or get a citation for urinating in public and/or light something on fire. Isn't it an obligation to do that after a big Sparty win/loss? Where's that bottle of Jack....?

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MGoRob

October 9th, 2010 at 11:54 PM ^

P.S. anybody see Bielema running up the score on Minn late in the 4th while being up big? Class-less. I'm happy to say that neither of our coaches would do that in a game.

Don't agree.  Dantonio is on the record saying he'd rather have OSU beat Mich than let his team have the chance to win the Big Ten.  I think if given the chance, his hatred for UofM would win out.

And I do agree that RichRod may have been a good hire from MSU's standpoint, only in the fact that it's going to take him more years to get "his team" together than it would for a cookie-cutter Lloyd replacement.  Thus allowing Sparty to "gain some ground"

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BlueTimesTwo

October 10th, 2010 at 12:25 AM ^

MSU also benefits from fewer head-to-head recruiting battles (and a couple of down years for Michigan).  MSU gets some uncontested recruits that might have gone to Michigan in the past.  While this may benefit Michigan in the long run (i.e. getting some great Florida talent), it also means that MSU will be stronger because of it.

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MEZman

October 9th, 2010 at 11:58 PM ^

You don't think RR would run up the score if he had the chance? You didn't pay very much attention when he was at WVU, did you? Hopefully next year you'll get a chance to see what a nice guy he is...

Otherwise I don't have a huge issue with anything else you said.

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los barcos

October 10th, 2010 at 12:04 AM ^

i forgot how much you guys hate bo ryan...but ill give it to you, random mgoblog sparty poster. you destroyed us today.  i think some people like to forget how hard it would be to have a target on your back week in and week out and how much pressure was on lloyd. rich rod in year 3 is seeing that...

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Starko

October 10th, 2010 at 1:30 AM ^

Lloyd's teams were getting worse, not better.  And he took over a team that was stacked and ran the same offense he ran.  If you can see that rich rod's program has continued to make enormous improvements after starting with an empty cupboard, you'd either stupid or just a dick.

btw, i think it's funny that your name is "los barcos," which you picked up when it looked like belein was going to succeed.  you're obviously a great judge.

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jmblue

October 10th, 2010 at 1:59 AM ^

I think the bigger problem wasn't so much his on-field performance (although I wish we could have gotten another win or two over OSU) but his last few recruiting classes.  The 2005, '06 and '07 classes didn't pan out as expected.  I'm not really blaming Lloyd for that, because at the time those classes were signed, they were supposed to be good.  But they underperformed on the field and left RR with less talent than he expected to inherit.

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Bando Calrissian

October 10th, 2010 at 10:39 AM ^

Sometimes I feel that 99% of the people who sit around here all the time and rip those recruiting classes are the exact same people that were sitting around here in 2005-6-7 and praising each and every one of those signings as they happened.  The way some people around here treat those classes, you'd think they were all red-headed-stepchildren the moment they signed on the dotted line.

Listen, anything to make yourself feel better, but the fact of the matter is it's revisionist at best.  There's a time when you have to quit making excuses and start asking questions.  

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wolverinestuckinEL

October 10th, 2010 at 2:29 AM ^

It's revisionist history to paint LLoyd's tenure in such a rosey light.  How many of his teams overachieved? How many fell short of expectations? Granted expectations were always high, but still the early season losses stemmed from being less prepared then other teams.  There is an overall lack of support for RR and I blame that partly on lloyd and lloyd's former players.  Braylon goes on MNF and says I went to lloyd carr's u of m?  How does that help RR gain traction with recruits?  Lloyd could have endorsed RR and maybe made the transition a little more fluid, but instead we have to hear all this bullshit about how he isn't the right person for the job (keep in mind these opinions are rooted mostly in perception not in results).  Lloyd took the last few years off from recruiting after his Long, Hart, Henne class and the few blue chippers he had bailed (Boren, Mallet).  RR has had tough sledding trying to sell his program partly because people who love michigan football have chosen to be skeptical rather then suppportive, and if you don't think former player support would have aided recruiting the last two years then I don't know what to tell you.  Instead RR has had to build from shit and sell recruits on limited results.  If the guy succeeds i give him a ton of fucking credit because he's had to fight a battle the whole time he's been here. 

By the way you know we wouldn't have gotten Denard if RR wasn't coach right???  That doesn't effect your judgement of him?  I wouldn't trade two more years of Denard for 10 years of Harbaugh anyday. 

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