I just switched over to scout today after being on Rivals. In my opinion Scout gets some news faster and you get a subscription to their magazine with a yearly subscription. Rivals has a better looking site, but I recently started to hate Mike Farrell's smugness over the past year. Plus Sam Webb is better than any other writer on Rivals.
Thoughts On The Pay Sites
I don't get the smug thing. Beav seems the same way. I guess when you deal with teenagers and talk about them all the time it makes you immature? I'm fishing on that one but it's definitely not an enduring quality.
I hate Beav...I was on Scout for over 2 years, but got kicked off for making an innocuous post about how he hints at things, but he can't tell you what they are....and then they never happened. Apparently you can't accuse him of making up info, even though he published stuff by Maizeman religiously...that is until they discovered he was full of it.
Overall, I found I am not much out of any loop if you chill here, catch the Sam Webb podcasts, and know who to follow on twitter (not recruits obviously).
Borton & Balas disagree, plus Tim Sullivan is great with the recruiting
Tim is usually a little behind both Sam Webb and TomVH. If you're looking for breaking news, Scout and the Wolverine Nation forum are the places to go.
Personally, I think The Wolverine's recruiting info has fallen off significantly since Helmholdt left.
Lol who is this guy?
Tom Pussy? Really? Anyway, the best in my opinion is 247 (even though I don't pay for it). I usually roam their board.
Oops. I meant Beaver.
Sam probably knows more than everyone else combined, and I hear they're phasing out the guy you don't like. The sheeple thing kind of comes with the territory.
but why do you want any other message board anyway?
Sam is someone with whom I have a great amount of respect for so leaving would be somewhat difficult but if the tail end of your first sentence is true then my main problem looks like it will be resolved.
MGoBlog is my go to place for things but I like to discuss the interviews/articles they come out with and since that is the source of the information I figure it makes sense to do so there.
I respect Jill. I revere Don.
See if you left here you'd miss us. Hey....next year you HAVE to come by our tailgate for a beer.
Your wife has a site dedicated to cooking and you offer me a beer? Dude.
I thought the food was a given. The beer was my contribution.
I'll see you for UTL 2.
Excellent! I'm sure we'll be there early (proly starting around 9:00am) and will def go late.
You're right. Everything DOES change.
If you cheat on Mgb Brian will send you a muffin basket.
I've been reading Brians thoughts and musings on Michigan for about 7 years now. I heard about it from a guy who roomed with Brian in college. I figure after that kind of relationship that I am free to go whore myself out from time to time. Sometimes you just need some strange.
It was not unusal for Anison, an unpaid moderator and worth every penny, to get toasted and start libeling other members if they had the ¨audacity¨ to publicly questions his outright lies and unsubtantied claims. That will get you booted. But, in retrospect, I guess it's wiser on their part to side with a guy that will not only fetch their coffee, but also purchase it, just so hey can lay claim to being a moderator. They say he stepped down from the position, but in reality, I think he pissed off so many members that actually contributed, they decided it best to not let him roam the site muzzle free due to legal action that could have been taken by some of their members due to his affiliation, albeit strictly volunteer on his part.
Don't know too much about the other sites-visited scout briefly but not 247-so I can´t comment on them. Rivals has some good member with keen insight like Kevin Werner and a few others, but their mods don't really care for anyone who might have a better understanding of the game and the history of Michigan football than they possess. JMO, but stay away from there. Can get the same information here a day later anyway, so why bother paying for what you can read here?
I'm pretty unimpressed by Scout, which seems to be by far the least thorough of any of the sites that cover recruiting, including ESPN. Scout tends to overfocus on the glamor teams of the world and let the others fall through the cracks. Michigan gets good coverage because Michigan is a big-time team. Want to find anything out about most of the rest of the Big Ten? Forget it.
24/7 is doing some excellent stuff but they're still kind of in a stage where the quality of their coverage depends more on the affiliate than the network. They're trying to eat Rivals's lunch, and sometimes succeeding. Some affiliates are great, some are the RCMB.
Rivals still has the best infrastructure for centralized coverage, I think. Farrell shows his ass sometimes, but he's pretty well connected. I trust Rivals' evaluations a hell of a lot more than Scout's.
Confession, though: I subscribe to the UVA sites, not the Michigan ones.
In my opinion 247 is the best paysite. There are extremely knowledgable Michigan posters on the wolverine homepage. I like the format and it doesn't miss out or lag too much at all on the news/offers/etc. It could definitely use more some more traffic though.
You also don't need to pay as of now to be involved with a good majority of the content. The juicy stuff is obviously VIP'd however most of the discussions are interactive without having to subscribe. I would recommend subscribing to anyone who was thinking about it, I have not had second thoughts since doing so.
I think that Rivals is the best in the business. Scout's site layout is terrible and Sam Webb tweets out most of the breaking information anyways. Rivals has a ton of info and insiders on the board. Will Heineger (sp?) Is a member and posts on the board, along with 2 insiders on the staff and a guy who runs his own recruiting service. Those guys, along with the staff, provide plenty of information. I know people say that all of the info leaks anyways, but that's simply not true. If you're interested in a paysite, I recommend Rivals.
After that I feel like it would be silly not to give Rivals a try. Btw, pineapples are good. Pineapples with penguins inside are better. Nice swap.
Also, to make it clearer, I mean 2 insiders from the Michigan staff contribute, and their information, along with the information from the staff of the site, means plenty of information. Although, the information shared has been less than before as the proverbial fort has tightened. I'd also recommend waiting to start your subscription until spring practice if you're primarily looking for football information. It's mostly basketball coverage as soon as signing day is over.
But do they have information?
Yes, they do.
my predisposition to visually associate a user with his or her avatar, I am now forced to believe you are an adorable penguin inside a pineapple. Don't break my heart!
Who is it that claims they're on the Michigan staff on Rivals? I only ask this cause it would be a NCAA violation for them to go on a public forum and comment on recruits rather they're using a fake message board name or not. I think that is a rumor that is circulated by Balas to get traffic on that site. I think Rivals has two people who try to portray insider status Dotman and Section 6 and to me neither of them know anything more than what you see posted on other sites. For your monies worth and truth plus just being a cool guy Allen Trieu is the best in the business to me he doesn't blow smoke up anybodies butt just to get a story he tells it how it really is.
both were with the team in some capacity.
Section Six is just a fan like me or you. He knew somebody in the regime when Carr was here and that was were he got his info. I do know that Schoefields dad has a account on there as well as a couple former players. It's pretty commong knowledge that the inside source for all these sites is Singletary he shares info with all the major sites through texting when kids commit. The only person who has a true staff member as a source from what I know is Sam Webb who has a friendship with Fred Jackson that allows him privy to certain info not shared by Singletary.
Welcome to MGoBlog, Allen!
I like espn bc it's stupid cheap if u use a discount code and u get a magazine. The magazine is awful and just huge but it saves me money on tp. I also like still reading TomVH
In the OP, is the bracketed "[Beaver]" after the name Tom a way of calling tom a pussy? or is it just his last name. Either way, that's awesome.
Many bars/clubs charge cover to keep an undesired clientle out, and usually even a minimal cover charge does the trick. Besides being privy to more information, do these sites keep the immature and embarassing fans out? You know, the ones who "hope so and so gets injured" and cause meltdowns after losses. Or is it a haven for these psycho-obsessive type of fans who are more than willing to dish out cash for access?
I've never cared for any of the sites, I figure all the information will come out eventually. It seems like they do provide some careers and other opportunities for football players who are football lifers which is always a plus. If there is a demand, meet it.
Besides being privy to more information, do these sites keep the immature and embarassing fans out? You know, the ones who "hope so and so gets injured" and cause meltdowns after losses.
Nope. There are immature, crazy posters on any site.
I was a premium member at Scout for over two years and eventually got tired of paying for the cliques, groupthink, circle-jerking and childish namecalling that took place. I can get all of that for free right here at MGoBlog...plus cat pictures!
(Note: I actually like the cat pictures...oh, and Brian is kind of funny.)
I'm pretty sure we found the next tagline for the site
I've been a member of Rivals for going on three years and you'd be surprised (or maybe not) at the mlive-level nonsense that you run across on The Fort.
to keep undesirables out; they do it to make money for the same thing you can get for free elsewhere while they convince you they're special.
So I very much like that site and the fort (message board). MGB and Michigan's Rivals page are a perfect one two pinch. And as another poster mentioned, Sam Webb from Scout usually breaks his news on twitter regardless.
Damn. That short essay must have taken forever to type on a phone.
Ya, well... That's just like, your opinion, man...
Whoa. That was......aggressive
Oh no doubt. Man gotta live what he know, right?
That encapsulates how I feel about Scout and what I've witnessed. The "Teacher's Pet" posters make some topics unreadable. How much adulation can someone receive for doing their job? It's complete nonsense.
Anyone that pays for a pay recruiting site is a moron. The sam information is on mgoblog within minutes if not before rivals, scout, and 247.
Exactly, in fact most information is on here before any of the pay sites. I realize it's only 10 bucks a month but why waste your money on information that you can get here for free?
I thought that before I got my subscription and it's just not true. The important stuff does end up over here but there's a lot of information that never makes its way onto MGo.
Sorry, but it is the case. I used to have a rivals sub. I canceled it for several reasons, primarily being that any information that was posted by the Rivals staff was already on mgoblog. I also canceled because I got sick and tired of the groupthink and circle jerk on the Fort, especially during the last coaches search. Balas, Anison, and John Borton's infatuation with Harbaugh got old. So was their tearing apart of Rich Rod and blantant acceptant of the Freep investigation. They would also play favorites with posters that accepted their line and thinking and would instantly blast anyone that posted otherwise (BlueMonster was definitely a teacher's pet on the board).
Michael Spath is only person I respect at the Wolverine. He is a good beat reporter that is connected with the hockey program.
Think about the business model for a second. These guys have "sources" in the athletic department who feed them info...and then they turn it around and "sell" it for a profit. When the same information will be available for free shortly thereafter should it be noteworthy. Ethical? Maybe. Worthwhile to invest in? No.
Not to mention almost everyone who runs these sites think they are, to put it simply, "the shit."
Most of the info they get comes from interviewing recruits.
Personally I don't think you can get much more value from them - If you stay up to date with this site and listed to Sam Webb you should be good.
I agree with the smugness - not a fan of really any paysite contributor. I was a member of Rivals during the coaching search and found that most of their info regarding the search was very wrong.
If anything pay for ESPN because it's dirt cheap, there's a bunch of fluff, TomVH has updates and you have access to ALL other ESPNsider content - no matter the sport.
I'd pay for ESPN and visit MGoBlog as much as possible. You won't miss a thing.
In this day and age, info travels so quickly through social media, no one really has a "scoop" anymore. It's all stolen within seconds.
MGoBlog is just like a premium/pay site...I'd just stay here. You'll eventually get tired of some of the bickering and useless negging, but it's still worth it. Scout hasn't been any good since 2008. Rivals has never been worth the money. 24/7 is just trying to make money and get clicks/views.
Trust me on this one.
If you really are interested in the information that doesn't makes it here, open up an account to each and share it with a group of friends. There are a dozen of us who share a Rivals and Scout login. We don't post on those boards though.
I do this with Netflix, not sure why I didn't think to do it with the premium sites. I still won't because I can't stand those sites...but for those interested in them, this is a great idea.
I'm subscribed to Rivals, 247 and Scout right now. They don't really give you anything you can't get here. They break info before it shows up on here, but only by a hour or two it seems. I got all three because I'm in Afghanistan and have a lot of down time to kill. Once I get back to the states I will cancel all three and stick to MGOBLOG. FWIW I would rank them Scout, Rivals then 247. Thats based on the boards and mods. Scout and Rivals are close, 247 lags way behind imo.
I currently subscribe to Scout and Rivals, and I used to subscribe to 24/7. I'd rank the as follows:
I think Scout gets the best information and gets it the quickest. Also, despite the forum software's age, it's still better than Rivals. You can follow the conversations better, and as a result, the conversations are better.
Both Scout and Rivals certianly have their own majority mindset. Frankly, it can be annoying on both, but that's just how message boards are. If there is a perfect one, I've never seen it.
The lead dog on Scout's Michigan site is pretty sensitive about bringing in other material that is sourced from 247,Rivals, or TomVH, which I can understand that I guess. They all have the same business format, so it makes sense that they would not like their traffic directed to other sites with the same business model.
What I think is quite petty is that anything that comes from valuable free sites such as MGOBLOG, UMHoops,or Tremendous also gets bombed off of the site immediately. The pay sites have their own little niche market, so someone posting something from one of the free sites isn't going hurt anything in the grand sceme of things. Most Michigan fans are familiar with the valuable free sites anyway and check on them regardless, so deleting any content from them is an exercise in futility to begin with.
Hell anything Sam posts on that bored, he mentions on his recruiting roundup segments on the radio anyway, and I don't see him firing Sam for giving it away for free.
One great thing on Rivals is there are former players and a few player's parents who post on The Fort, so you get a lot of good inside info
If you're considering a membership, I'd recommend evaluating the article content and not the boards. They're a mess everywhere. This is the only one where you'll find a community mostly dedicated to discussion based in relevant data. Also I've never seen anyone banned here for expressing an unpopular opinion with class.
And have a grand total of zero discussion thread posts to my credit. I never read them, period. I like Rivals for the straight news, and for the fact they separate out their speculation/whispers/rumors (usually in the "Inside the Fort" segments) about recruiting and such from their "straight" columns. I find the discussion threads here to be much more fun, have a better sense of humor and esprit-de-corps, and generally agree with the consensus views more often than not.
Rivals does tend to be a bit more of a company line and never really questions the wisdom of the establishment the way Brian does-- and I think there's a place for both. I guess you could say I read one for the party line, and one for dissent, and feel I've gotten a balanced picture at the end of the day.
I wish they'd get a better copy checker for the articles as they're often typo-ridden, but other than that, I'm pretty happy with it as a compliment to the content on MGoBlog, enough to keep paying the not-insubstantial price tag.
I didn't renew my ESPN membership because everything gets posted on this site hours after it's released on ESPN. I'm starting to greatly dislike these paysites and their 'schocking' headlines to get clicks. I'm beginning to see the darkside in all of these paysites; hounding 16 and 17 year old boys and generating profits off their statements. These kids can't even see what's being written about them! I remember one recruit having to ask a writer on Twitter permission to see an article written about him. These pay sites are just another hugely unethical part of college football.
Now that my rant is over, when is Larue visiting?
He hasn't decided whether to visit or not.