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Thoughts On The Pay Sites

I've been a Scout member for a while but I am finding that I can't handle the sheeple like mentality around there anymore. I'm not sure how Rivals or 247 goes but any outside information is taken down immediately which seems insanely childish. My biggest gripe with Scout is Tom [Beaver]. He seems useless and always tries to belittle members. Anyway, do Rivals or 247 offer a quality product with an intelligent forum for discussion? 

[ed: de-naughtied]

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January 7th, 2013 at 12:35 AM | Rivals seems more legit (Score:2 Normal)
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Rivals seems more legit because the inside the fort column covers a lot of ground.I had them like 2 years ago and I find the recruiting posts on here to be more credible and interesting.

"Are you an official here?Because you've officially given me a boner."

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January 7th, 2013 at 12:36 AM | Just (Score:3 Normal)
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I just switched over to scout today after being on Rivals. In my opinion Scout gets some news faster and you get a subscription to their magazine with a yearly subscription. Rivals has a better looking site, but I recently started to hate Mike Farrell's smugness over the past year. Plus Sam Webb is better than any other writer on Rivals.

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January 7th, 2013 at 12:44 AM | I don't get the smug thing. (Score:2 Normal)
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I don't get the smug thing. Beav seems the same way. I guess when you deal with teenagers and talk about them all the time it makes you immature? I'm fishing on that one but it's definitely not an enduring quality.

Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis.

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January 7th, 2013 at 5:49 AM | I hate Beav...I was on Scout (Score:3 Normal)
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I hate Beav...I was on Scout for over 2 years, but got kicked off for making an innocuous post about how he hints at things, but he can't tell you what they are....and then they never happened. Apparently you can't accuse him of making up info, even though he published stuff by Maizeman religiously...that is until they discovered he was full of it.

Overall, I found I am not much out of any loop if you chill here, catch the Sam Webb podcasts, and know who to follow on twitter (not recruits obviously). 

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January 7th, 2013 at 10:58 AM | Borton & Balas disagree, plus (Score:1)
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Borton & Balas disagree, plus Tim Sullivan is great with the recruiting

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January 7th, 2013 at 2:35 PM | Tim is usually a little (Score:3 Normal)
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Tim is usually a little behind both Sam Webb and TomVH.  If you're looking for breaking news, Scout and the Wolverine Nation forum are the places to go.

Personally, I think The Wolverine's recruiting info has fallen off significantly since Helmholdt left.

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January 7th, 2013 at 12:46 AM | ^ (Score:0 Normal)
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Lol who is this guy?

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:37 AM | Clearly they are new to the (Score:1 Normal)
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Clearly they are new to the Internet...

The Michigan difference...

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:45 AM | Enjoy your trip good sir. (Score:1 Normal)
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Enjoy your trip good sir.

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January 7th, 2013 at 12:37 AM | Tom Pussy? Really? Anyway, (Score:2 Normal)
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Tom Pussy? Really? Anyway, the best in my opinion is 247 (even though I don't pay for it). I usually roam their board.

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January 7th, 2013 at 12:42 AM | Oops. I meant Beaver.  (Score:0 Normal)
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Oops. I meant Beaver. 

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January 7th, 2013 at 12:45 AM | Sam probably knows more than (Score:5 Normal)
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Sam probably knows more than everyone else combined, and I hear they're phasing out the guy you don't like. The sheeple thing kind of comes with the territory. 

but why do you want any other message board anyway?

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January 7th, 2013 at 12:59 AM | Sam is someone with whom I (Score:2 Normal)
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Sam is someone with whom I have a great amount of respect for so leaving would be somewhat difficult but if the tail end of your first sentence is true then my main problem looks like it will be resolved. 

 

MGoBlog is my go to place for things but I like to discuss the interviews/articles they come out with and since that is the source of the information I figure it makes sense to do so there. 

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:51 AM | And me. (Score:2 Normal)
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And me!

 

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:57 AM | I respect Jill. I revere Don. (Score:2)
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I respect Jill. I revere Don.

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January 7th, 2013 at 2:02 AM | See if you left here you'd (Score:2 Normal)
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See if you left here you'd miss us. Hey....next year you HAVE to come by our tailgate for a beer.

 

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 2:20 AM | Your wife has a site (Score:4 Normal)
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Your wife has a site dedicated to cooking and you offer me a beer? Dude.

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January 7th, 2013 at 5:01 AM | I thought the food was a (Score:2 Normal)
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I thought the food was a given. The beer was my contribution.

 

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 11:40 AM | I'll see you for UTL 2. (Score:2)
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I'll see you for UTL 2.

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January 7th, 2013 at 11:59 AM | Excellent!  I'm sure we'll be (Score:2)
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Excellent!  I'm sure we'll be there early (proly starting around 9:00am) and will def go late.

You're right.  Everything DOES change.

 

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:15 PM | Can I come too???   (Score:3 Normal)
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Can I come too???

 

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:57 PM | No. (Score:2)
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No.

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:00 AM | If you cheat on Mgb Brian (Score:5 Normal)
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If you cheat on Mgb Brian will send you a muffin basket.

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:20 AM | I've been reading Brians (Score:5 Normal)
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I've been reading Brians thoughts and musings on Michigan for about 7 years now. I heard about it from a guy who roomed with Brian in college. I figure after that kind of relationship that I am free to go whore myself out from time to time. Sometimes you just need some strange.

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:00 AM | I just text RDT for all info (Score:5 Normal)
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I just text RDT for all info regarding recruits.

"Are you an official here?Because you've officially given me a boner."

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:08 AM | just don't piss off the water boy at rivals (Score:5 Normal)
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It was not unusal for Anison, an unpaid moderator and worth every penny, to get toasted and start libeling other members if they had the ¨audacity¨ to publicly questions his outright lies and unsubtantied claims. That will get you booted. But, in retrospect, I guess it's wiser on their part to side with a guy that will not only fetch their coffee, but also purchase it, just so hey can lay claim to being a moderator. They say he stepped down from the position, but in reality, I think he pissed off so many members that actually contributed, they decided it best to not let him roam the site muzzle free due to legal action that could have been taken by some of their members due to his affiliation, albeit strictly volunteer on his part.

Don't know too much about the other sites-visited scout briefly but not 247-so I can´t comment on them. Rivals has some good member with keen insight like Kevin Werner and a few others, but their mods don't really care for anyone who might have a better understanding of the game and the history of Michigan football than they possess. JMO, but stay away from there. Can get the same information here a day later anyway, so why bother paying for what you can read here?

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:22 AM | I'm pretty unimpressed by (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm pretty unimpressed by Scout, which seems to be by far the least thorough of any of the sites that cover recruiting, including ESPN.  Scout tends to overfocus on the glamor teams of the world and let the others fall through the cracks.  Michigan gets good coverage because Michigan is a big-time team.  Want to find anything out about most of the rest of the Big Ten?  Forget it.

24/7 is doing some excellent stuff but they're still kind of in a stage where the quality of their coverage depends more on the affiliate than the network.  They're trying to eat Rivals's lunch, and sometimes succeeding.  Some affiliates are great, some are the RCMB.

Rivals still has the best infrastructure for centralized coverage, I think.  Farrell shows his ass sometimes, but he's pretty well connected.  I trust Rivals' evaluations a hell of a lot more than Scout's.

Confession, though: I subscribe to the UVA sites, not the Michigan ones.

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:48 AM | You're fired! (Score:2 Normal)
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You're fired!

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:32 AM | In my opinion 247 is the best (Score:-1 Trolling)
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In my opinion 247 is the best paysite.  There are extremely knowledgable Michigan posters on the wolverine homepage.  I like the format and it doesn't miss out or lag too much at all on the news/offers/etc.  It could definitely use more some more traffic though. 

You also don't need to pay as of now to be involved with a good majority of the content.  The juicy stuff is obviously VIP'd however most of the discussions are interactive without having to subscribe.  I would recommend subscribing to anyone who was thinking about it, I have not had second thoughts since doing so.  

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January 7th, 2013 at 1:46 AM | I have both a Rivals and ESPN subscription and (Score:3 Informative)
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I think that Rivals is the best in the business. Scout's site layout is terrible and Sam Webb tweets out most of the breaking information anyways. Rivals has a ton of info and insiders on the board. Will Heineger (sp?) Is a member and posts on the board, along with 2 insiders on the staff and a guy who runs his own recruiting service. Those guys, along with the staff, provide plenty of information. I know people say that all of the info leaks anyways, but that's simply not true. If you're interested in a paysite, I recommend Rivals.

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January 7th, 2013 at 2:01 AM | After that I feel like it (Score:2 Normal)
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After that I feel like it would be silly not to give Rivals a try. Btw, pineapples are good. Pineapples with penguins inside are better. Nice swap.

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January 7th, 2013 at 2:48 AM | Why, thank you. I'm glad that someone else enjoyed it too. (Score:2)
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Also, to make it clearer, I mean 2 insiders from the Michigan staff contribute, and their information, along with the information from the staff of the site, means plenty of information. Although, the information shared has been less than before as the proverbial fort has tightened. I'd also recommend waiting to start your subscription until spring practice if you're primarily looking for football information. It's mostly basketball coverage as soon as signing day is over.

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January 7th, 2013 at 7:09 AM | But do they have information? (Score:0 Flamebait)
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But do they have information?

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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January 7th, 2013 at 11:09 AM | Yes, they do. (Score:3 Informative)
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Yes, they do.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

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January 7th, 2013 at 11:51 AM | But given (Score:2 Normal)
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my predisposition to visually associate a user with his or her avatar, I am now forced to believe you are an adorable penguin inside a pineapple. Don't break my heart!

So it goes.

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January 7th, 2013 at 10:17 AM | RE Rivals (Score:2 Normal)
mdonley
Joined: 01/07/2013
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Who is it that claims they're on the Michigan staff on Rivals? I only ask this cause it would be a NCAA violation for them to go on a public forum and comment on recruits rather they're using a fake message board name or not.  I think that is a rumor that is circulated by Balas to get traffic on that site. I think Rivals has two people who try to portray insider status Dotman and Section 6 and to me neither of them know anything more than what you see posted on other sites. For your monies worth and truth plus  just being a cool guy Allen Trieu is the best in the business to me he doesn't blow smoke up anybodies butt just to get a story he tells it how it really is.

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January 7th, 2013 at 11:09 AM | I thought RCBlue2 and Section6 (Score:2)
hart20
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both were with the team in some capacity.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

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January 8th, 2013 at 12:58 AM | Section Six is just a fan (Score:1)
mdonley
Joined: 01/07/2013
MGoPoints: 19

Section Six is just a fan like me or you. He knew somebody in the regime when Carr was here and that was were he got his info. I do know that Schoefields dad has a account on there as well as a couple former players. It's pretty commong knowledge that the inside source for all these sites is Singletary he shares info with all the major sites through texting when kids commit. The only person who has a true staff member as a source from what I know is Sam Webb who has a friendship with Fred Jackson that allows him privy to certain info not shared by Singletary.

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January 7th, 2013 at 11:19 AM | Welcome to MGoBlog, Allen! (Score:5 Normal)
Logan88
Joined: 01/05/2009
MGoPoints: 2990

Welcome to MGoBlog, Allen!

We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!

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January 7th, 2013 at 2:11 AM | I like espn bc it's stupid (Score:5 Normal)
WolverineinSB
Joined: 01/07/2009
MGoPoints: 208

I like espn bc it's stupid cheap if u use a discount code and u get a magazine. The magazine is awful and just huge but it saves me money on tp. I also like still reading TomVH

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January 7th, 2013 at 3:24 AM | In the OP, is the bracketed (Score:2)
snoopblue
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Joined: 11/11/2009
MGoPoints: 1890

In the OP, is the bracketed "[Beaver]" after the name Tom a way of calling tom a pussy? or is it just his last name. Either way, that's awesome.

Many bars/clubs charge cover to keep an undesired clientle out, and usually even a minimal cover charge does the trick. Besides being privy to more information, do these sites keep the immature and embarassing fans out? You know, the ones who "hope so and so gets injured" and cause meltdowns after losses. Or is it a haven for these psycho-obsessive type of fans who are more than willing to dish out cash for access?

I've never cared for any of the sites, I figure all the information will come out eventually. It seems like they do provide some careers and other opportunities for football players who are football lifers which is always a plus. If there is a demand, meet it.

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January 7th, 2013 at 8:08 AM | Besides being privy to more (Score:5 Normal)
Logan88
Joined: 01/05/2009
MGoPoints: 2990

Besides being privy to more information, do these sites keep the immature and embarassing fans out? You know, the ones who "hope so and so gets injured" and cause meltdowns after losses.

Nope. There are immature, crazy posters on any site.

I was a premium member at Scout for over two years and eventually got tired of paying for the cliques, groupthink, circle-jerking and childish namecalling that took place. I can get all of that for free right here at MGoBlog...plus cat pictures!

(Note: I actually like the cat pictures...oh, and Brian is kind of funny.)

We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!

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January 7th, 2013 at 11:31 AM | I'm pretty sure we found the (Score:4 Normal)
wile_e8
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I'm pretty sure we found the next tagline for the site

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January 7th, 2013 at 9:19 AM | I've been a member of Rivals (Score:1 Normal)
MH20
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I've been a member of Rivals for going on three years and you'd be surprised (or maybe not) at the mlive-level nonsense that you run across on The Fort.

"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."

- Jack Handey

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January 7th, 2013 at 4:57 PM | Bars, clubs, and pay sites don't charge a cover (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
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to keep undesirables out; they do it to make money for the same thing you can get for free elsewhere while they convince you they're special.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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January 7th, 2013 at 3:29 AM | Member of rivals for 10 years now (Score:1)
Skiptoomylou22
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So I very much like that site and the fort (message board). MGB and Michigan's Rivals page are a perfect one two pinch. And as another poster mentioned, Sam Webb from Scout usually breaks his news on twitter regardless.

Bo' Money Bo' Problems

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January 7th, 2013 at 4:31 AM | *Sorry for format! Using (Score:3 Normal)
Danwillhor
Joined: 12/02/2008
MGoPoints: 606

*Sorry for format! Using Android app* Stopped paying for premium Scout a long while back due to the mentality there, exactly as you explain. Then I just left totally after about 4k posts over years there. They have this insane tier system where you have the leader of each schools site on top and always a douchebag. Then, the contributors who are varied in power and personality (UM's are cool in Sam, etc). Worst are the "mods" as every single one I encountered there as a free board and pay board member was a complete clown. All sites! You have these morons who have no lives (none) and decide that the ability to moderate makes them king. Disagree with them at your own peril. They will insult members at the drop of a hat but edit/delete or even ban you for an honest opinion that they don't like, etc. The cycle is always: a longtime member becomes a mod after the last quits or gets booted after so many complaints (and writes the inevitable "goodbye speech" like people give a shit, further cementing his ego), new mod cool for a while, new mod gets superiority complex after a while, new mod becomes ex-mod, rinse and repeat. Watched that happen easily 8+ times in my time on Scout, free and premium. Finally, the true scum are the weak minded "teacher's pet" posters who agree with the mods no matter what to attain some online friendship bond (or something?!?) and also always go with the overwhelming majority/safe opinion. No chance they ever truly talk football for fear of being disagreed with. They become protected posters as loyal subjects of the mod and shit on new people, free thinkers, etc. All of this with MAYBE 1% knowing anything about football. It is now to the point where I check the free Scout board about once a month and am reminded why I left each time. I was the guy who stuck up for the people being shit on and I refused to bow down to an internet mod so I clashed with almost every mod there. Not always but when we did we really did. Yet, what really made me leave was that I'd say or predict something and said bias always had the mods hate on it only for it to happen and never get so much as an apology or "hey, you do know what you're talking about". In fact, they would just delete the thread/post when they insulted your opinion or answer and you were right rather than look stupid. One mod started an argument one time (really insulted me personally after an innocent reply to a "guess the score" post where I only had us beating nd by 4 in 2011) and went so far as to edit what he and I said to make him seem level headed and me a lunatic. Luckily, others saved/capped it and dude had to write me an apology and I got like 2 months free, lol. Dude then "stepped down" as mod a week later. Aaaaaanyway, all are kind of lame and worthless now. The info is out there for free these days and the egos are not worth dealing with. Scout was my only membership and point of reference, though. Couldn't vouch for the others if I wanted to. Heck, there are dicks here but not in the way the pay sites have them. Couldn't even tell you who the mods are here and I like that. I know who Brian is and that is enough for me, lol. Good dude and only dislike here is the pos/neg system but I don't see it on my phone app anyway so I don't care or know. Scout is a decent site but is ran by absolute chimps.

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January 7th, 2013 at 5:10 AM | Damn.  That short essay must (Score:4 Normal)
a2_electricboogaloo
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Joined: 04/21/2011
MGoPoints: 4096

Damn.  That short essay must have taken forever to type on a phone.

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

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January 7th, 2013 at 6:58 AM | haha, about 10 mins. Have an (Score:1)
Danwillhor
Joined: 12/02/2008
MGoPoints: 606

haha, about 10 mins. Have an actual slide keyboard on my phone. I have but hate "swype" and tap typing so I trade it for, well, a better phone. lol

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January 7th, 2013 at 7:14 AM | Ya well (Score:1 Normal)
Mike420GoBlue
Joined: 09/02/2012
MGoPoints: 297

Ya, well... That's just like, your opinion, man...

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