This is my first post on this site. I have listened to Brian on radio and have read him on this site. It take it he is in the "rebellious" faction described on his post today. What is unclear to me re Brian is this. Did he think DB should have fired RR after OSU game and aggresively moved to hire Harbaugh, or was he ok with waiting until after Gator Bowl to fire RR but should then have aggresively gone after a Dan Mullen? Does he also think Hoke was DB's first choice all along, or does he think he hired him b/c he thought Hoke was the best he could do? Heaven help us if the latter was true. FWIW, I think I would have been most happy with Mullen.
For those closer to Brian's thinking
It's over. We have a coach. Go Blue!
Doesn't seem to be over for Brian as he still has alot to say about DB in regards to the way he handled the coaching hire.
you can support Hoke and still think that Brandon fucked up.
Hoke was offered his dream job and accepted it. HOW DARE HE!!! POST ALL OVER THE INTERNETZ ABOUT HIS INCOMPETENCE.
I haven't heard anyone criticize Hoke for taking the job. However, I have seen people criticize Brandon for not either offering Hoke right away or try to get a different candidate. Sorry man, no one is criticizing Hoke. See the disclaimer Brian puts on his posts...
If you need a disclaimer, then you have already broken it. No offense man, but that is the dumbest post I have ever read.
Wait, you read the MGoBoard and that is the dumbest post you have ever read?
Anyways, some people, yes, are dumb enough to need a disclaimer to distinguish the fact that you can criticize the guy doing the hiring without criticizing the guy who got hired. If someone was recently hired at my place of employment and I thought the hiring manager botched it up by not hiring the right person right away and instead waited until the project was way behind schedule, I would want to criticize them.
It does NOT mean that the wrong person was hired or that the person who was hired is an idiot or that person shouldn't have taken the job (I am not sure why that is even mentioned)- it's that the hiring manager should have gone about their process differently.
If that's above your head try to read it slower, Dad.
How about reading my post again slower. I criticized the disclaimer, and then used the most commonly known disclaimer mis-use, which would be the no offense but... Sarcasm. Sorry if that was above YOUR head.
I think this issue has been discussed a bit on this site in the past. There is little else to say.
Let's bring on the Hoke-ra!
That's it. Nothing more..then he took only one week to find someone qualified to lead a $20 million business and command a huge salary. He knows more than we do about who was available, what they are like, and he picked who he thought was best. Move on?
How the heck did you get 100 points without posting?
You get points for responding to posts. I never started a post. I know alot of this has been talked about.
I think any of those scenarios you presented would have been preferable to the way things ended up playing out.
you sir, have good taste
I think this has been talked to death basically. There will always be some background chatter about this, especially in the run-up to September 3rd of this year.
I'd try e-mailing him if you want to know his opinion (see the contact link at the top).
Personally to try and answer your questions, waiting until after the gator bowl was a stupid decision regardless of the outcome. You can't leave everyone in the program up in the air like that for over a month. The only logical assumption is that DB and Harbaugh had something arranged verbally for him to come after the Orange Bowl which fell apart. That's the risk you take in doing that and it's unnecessary. If you were going to make a change, do it after OSU and if Harbaugh didn't want to play ball, you have time and a wealth of candidates to do an actual search.
Hoke could not have been the first choice. If he was, he'd have been here Dec.1, plain and simple. Brandon saying otherwise is insulting to be perfectly honest. I know he has to say it, but still...
the biggest complaint from recruits and their families isn't that Rich Rod got fired or that Hoke was the replacement. It's that the firing/replacement took place in January.
is not here to make sure that recruits' families are happy.
Beyond that, if a family is upset because the AD lets Michigan Players and Coaches play their first bowl game in 3 years without the circus of a coaching search (or worse with a new coach or interim coach) then I question if they are focusing on the important issues.
he's the athletic director. He met with recruits when they came on official visits. It sure as shit is part of his job to consider recruiting.
And I love the idea that by waiting Brandon avoided a circus. The only thing people could talk about before the bowl game was whether or not Rodriguez was going to get fired.
No, but he is here to do what's best for the program. I don't see how anyone could argue that our program in the short term (and maybe in the long term?) is better off having announced a coach Jan.13th as opposed to 5-6 weeks ago.
The program needs to be based on more than one game. Brandon himself has said that many times, albeit in a different context. Putting off firing RR for 6 weeks as a favour to the players/coaches may have been good for them, but it wasn't good for the program, which should be the bigger priority for the AD.
Brandon botched the deal. He knew he was going to fire RR well before the bowl. He was waiting thinking he could get JH after Jan 1. He miscalculated and then had to go to plan C when plans A (JH) and B (LM) failed. Now we are in a mess. trying to revamp the program with no recruits and the wrong talent on the team fort he new Coaches style. Simply brilliant. this could not have gone worse.
He was talked to (I won't say interviewed) for appearance sake due to the last coaching hiring fiasco. Joke was Plan B after the NFL came calling inmass for Harbaugh.
Thanks for the tip. I would have simply e-mailed him directly if I had known.
Dude just email Brian all your questions. We can't answer for him.
I believe DB believes in the players receiving a chance to play in a bowl that was earned. Why take it away from them. Leave the distractions of finding a new coach and staff. Let the staff, secondly, enjoy a bowl game.
Previously, JH, in numerous talks, stated he was a Michigan Man but he still wants the epitome of a Super Bowl win as a coach. DB, I believe, knew this.
The search continued behind the scenes, LM, through his contacts, used Michigan to negotiate his existing contract higher. DB decided not to interview LM.
From many sources BH emerged as the candidate of choice. It was a choice DB wanted from the data and answers he amassed.
Now, it is time to head off the divisive comments and speculation and get behind BH.
The ball is in our court now. Support our team. Support our players. Most of all, support Brady and his emerging staff in recruiting.
that seriously outweigh "letting the kids play the bowl game under their coach."
What are you talking about?
Harbaugh stated he was a Michigan Man but wanted the "epitome of a Super Bowl win?" What is the epitome of a Super Bowl win? A Super Bowl win? When did Harbaugh say anything of the sort?
Miles wasn't offered? Really? LSU seems to think he was. And LSU is extending his contract but not raising his salary as you suggest.
I'll support Coach Hoke because he coaches Michigan and he is a passionate guy. That's more than RR ever got from his predecessor or most of his former players and so-called Michigan Men.
You are wrong on so many things, you should just stay quiet.
Itchy threading finger.
Brandon torched a recruiting class to hire a guy who would have agreed to take the job at any point, NQA. On top of this, Brian and others (including yours truly) think hiring Hoke because he's had a couple good seasons and knows the words to the victors does not make him more desirable than other coaches.
Don't forget he also knows his way around campus.
...has one of those. Why not offer him the job then? You can't say that just because he got a ring as a position coach, that qualifies him. You need more to back it up like, he was position coach at possibly our best position on the team. Something like that.
most of us are any closer to Brian's thinking than you are.
The latest from the recruiting services is that M is 36th. If so, DB knew what the consequences of firing RR so late would be. Both DB and MSC ought to be held accountable.
Anyone who reads the blog should know exactly why Brian is pissed. Year 4 of Rich Rodriguez was superior to every option except for Harbaugh in his mind. We find out that DB knew Harbaugh wasn't really in the mix and he proceeded to fire RR anyway, with no real succession plan in place other than OMGOOZLE PANIC HIRE CASE CLOSED and there's no real excuse for that. The one thing that would unite the fan base is winning, and RR was set up to do that in Year 4 as long as the stuffed beaver was coaching the defense and GERG wasn't. That is my main beef with this whole thing. I would rather have seen 1 more year or Rodriguez in a win or go home year then scrap everything and start over with an unproved head coach. I guess I kind of mixed what I think Brian's opinion and mine in there.
Yes....exactly right. Plus 1 to you...I couldn't agree more.
I agree 100% but undermining the coach at this point does nothing but damage.
Thinking what DB did was a mistake and opinions on the current coach are seperate issues. I am distraught about how the whole thing was handled, but I completely back Hoke as the hire and want to see what he can do to get this thing going again.
1. 1000 times it's not Hoke's fault. I think it was one of the first things Brian said. Hoke is not being undermined.
2. None of us has enough power to undermine the coach even if we wanted
to. I'm so weary of the trite overused "get behind" coach/AD meme as if questioning the process and the AD is somehow akin to betrayal. Sounds like a pragmatic approach to me.
In accordance with your comment I have plussed you 1 Mgopoint. spend it wisely.
Lets be honest, how many of you would still cheer the team if Saban was our coach. We would find a way to keep our disdain for the coach living in hormony with our love for the team.
Or Les Miles for that matter. When DB met with the Hatter, I was having the little devil / angel thoughts run through my mind. My conclusion was: if Dave hires Les, then I root for the team, and hope being back at Michigan keeps Miles on the straight and narrow.
Worlds collide, I asplode.
It seems like a lot of people are having a really hard time accepting even the possibility that Rich could have saved himself until the Gator Bowl debacle.
Maybe that was so lousy that even the clear top option still available: Rich returning, just couldn't happen because Rich had blown his last opportunity? If that is the case, then Brandon is telling the truth.
Seeing it on the honest level would require people to accept two things that many can't: 1. There was no conspiracy going on behind anyone's back. 2. Rich Rodriguez' performance was so bad and the wheels were coming off so fast, that he did himself in. So it was his collapse that left us going on a coaching search in mid-January. Not the ineptness of David Brandon. Brandon was making a long term football quality decision.
Not saying Brandon was not working things at least a little. I think the Harbaugh thing might have been there. but when the NFL became an apparant option it dissolved between Ohio State and the Gator Bowl. After seeing Stanford play the Orange Bowl, I'll forgive Brandon for trying to make that happen.
should never be the single deciding factor that costs a Michigan head football coach their job (OSU has the possibility of being the only reasonable exception). Had Rodriguez simply punted and called the game conservatively instead of going for it on 4th down in the 2nd half, the score wouldn't have been as bad; if that happens, is it suddenly okay to keep RR? If RR converts a few more plays and makes the final score 45-28, is it okay to keep RR then? Or did RR have to win, in which case what does a bowl victory do for the team besides give the players a consolatory pat on the back after a mediocre season?
The sole premise for firing a coach should be based on whether the program WILL BE worse off with Rich Rodriguez as the head coach than with someone else. For most people (Brian included), the only head coach that surpassed Rich Rodriguez was Jim Harbaugh.
I thought AD Brandon said something to the effect of him waiting to fire Coach Rodriguez because he wanted to see if Coach Rodriguez could hire a new defensive coordinator. When he struck out on that, AD Brandon made the decision to let him go.
We don't know the discussion between Rich and Dave. Of course before the meeting even happened we had one member of the MSM proclaim that Rich was fired, and Hoke would be the coach (either a lucky likely guess, or real insider leak).
Dave may already have asked Rich if he would rip and replace his entire defensive staff (including long time pal Gibson), and Rich may have stubbornly stood behind his guys.
We really don't know.
Yeah, but this was something at a press conference. It was either the firing or the hiring conference - I believe it was the latter. He didn't use these exact words of course, but this was the gist I got out of it.