Things just got a little more interesting for Ohio regarding the Talbott situation.
gets a 19 year old kid's name as his vanity plate? My God, what an incredible douche nozzle.
Realizing all these kids probably either opened up on-the-side bank accounts or just straight up cashed the check to a bank without depositing, I believe the IRS is the key here. IF they investigate Talbott for tax evasion, are they allowed to release their findings to the NCAA, or is that an informational confidentiality breach?
FOIA i believe. so everybody gets it.
Another VESTIVUS miracle.
So I have to get rid of my DENARDED plate on my Shelby Mustang or I am a douche?
He has a 100% ebay rating
and confirms Talbott as the ebay user infinkelwetrust, so now Pryor's attorney is lying (surprise, surprise) and Talbott is lying.
Since idiot Gee hinted that the NCAA has ended their investigation, while all of this exists and is now coming to light, I would hope the NCAA is pissed off and will drop the hammer on OSU.
tried to lie saying that it's 100% fact that those are not his ebay accounts. Meanwhile, he's driving around in an OSU-decked out van with TPRYOR plates.
HAHA. Man, this Brooks has a hard on for all things seedy in Columbus. Where was this guy last year and before? He seems to devote every waking second to unearthing more and more violations.
Also, BWAHAHAHAHAAHAH. Look at all those pictures of players and Cheaty signing stuff and then that dumbass puts it on Facebook and Ebay. They deserve every last criticism that's hurled their way.
Death to Brutus.
So this is proof that they signed the merchandise, but you still need a concrete link of payment to the player. Maybe they have that with these alleged checks. As great as this is, I worry that the connection to tOSU is weak outside of Tressel and his cover-up. There compliance staff sucked, but so far no implication of knowledge, which would be needed to drop the hammer. Maybe something is known that I forgot about or don't know yet, but that is how I see it
The game used merchandise doesn't give it away? If the autographed stuff was simply pictures or footballs that would be one thing but the fact that Talbott has game used helmets, gloves, etc. should be a clear indication of many violations.
He seems to really do his homework on the dirt around the country. He posts a lot of stuff on Auburn dirt (to be continued), and had some on Oregon as well.
Brooks used to work for a Columbus radio station as well, so I'm sure that he's taking a little pleasure in all of this...considering he ruffled some feathers with fans/station execs while there. It's quite obvious that *uckeye fan can't handle the truth.
This is why I give Brooks a "free pass." He has been instrumental in exposing a lot of the lying, cheating, and stonewalling that are happening at THE Ohio State University. Hopefully, the NCAA will become insulted and indignant, and THE Ohio State University will get THE worst penalties given by the NCAA since SMU.
What's happening in America's Cesspool right now is the perfect opportunity for the NCAA to show that they are serious about cleaning up the game. If I had a "vote," it would be for a two-year "death penalty."
Does OSU have a policy forbidding athletes from signing autographs? Because if not, these pictures don't seem so implicating. None of them show athletes being paid for their autographs.
Like my response to a previous poster: The autographs do not represent anything on their own but the game used equipment surely does. College athletes, unlike professional, usually don't hand out their stuff for free after games.
Let's be honest, the pictures in and of themselves are not incriminating. Players and coaches autograph stuff all the time. LINKING those items to money paid directly to the players is the key to the violations. Luckily, that genuis Pryor seems to have accepted and deposited CHECKS into his account. Talk about stooooopid.
That's exactly what I was thinking. This "report" is kind of worthless IMO. We know Talbott is involved and we know he was selling the memorabilia, but until there is proof beyond a resonable doubt that he was paying the players for it, this kind of story is pointless....except for one thing.
"Pryor" to this we really only knew/thought Pryor was involved with Talbott. This story sheds some light on how involved other players from past years might have been involved.
Either way, I hope this isn't the story The Common Man and The Torg were talking about...I want juicy news on my Friday.
Where do you get this "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" standard? Seriously, is that what the NCAA goes by? I know that is the standard in a criminal legal case, but in a civil case (which this is more akin to), the standard of proof is "a preponderance of the evidence" i.e., more than 50%
Even so, I don't think these photos really do that for me.
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard for criminal trials. This would more likely require a burden of proof around "preponderance of evidence," which in layman terms would suggest 51% proof-positive. In other words, a standard that says if the person is more likely than not guilty, he's guilty. This is the standard in most civil trials. Of course, I have no idea what the NCAA holds themselves to, but I would almost be certain its significantly less than "beyond a reasonable doubt."
If we have a witness that puts Pryor and Talbott together, exchanging funds....and Pryor refuses to cooperate with the NCAA..what other conclusion can be drawn? He refuses to defend himself, clarify events, answer lingering questions related to the charges...what other conclusion can be drawn than guilty?
He doesn't have to cooperate with the NCAA. If he is no longer a student athlete then there is no reason for him to. He go his money, fucked OSU, and moved on. Nothing to talk about on his end. Why should he cooperate with them? In all honesty, I would prefer he didn't. If he refuses to cooperate then he can't be punished....that leaves OSU exposed as the only punishable offender left after Tressel and Pryor departed. I feel as though this would make the sanctions that much worse for OSU.
Better than a witness.
when "stooooopid" makes me LOL.
As the hyena says in The Lion King, "Hey, who you calling upid-stay?"
i know that it doesnt look good to be associated with this talbott guy but unless the ncaa can prove players other than pryor were getting paid it doesnt seem like they can do anything about them signing stuff. The NCAA now needs to look at every single bank account on the team. We know pryor isnt the smartest guy but what if the others knew enough to open an extra bank account and not let the NCAA know about it?
That I was hoping for somthing worse than this to big the friday crap columbus news, maybe this isnt what they were talking about.
SportsbyBrooks did a good job showing that Talbott obtained and sold autographed photos of players while they were in college. Problem is that's not a violation in and of itself. It's only a violation if:
1) any players benfitted financially from it, a violation of the NCAA amateurism code and cause for immediate revocation of the player's eligbility
2) He maintained contact and got first person access to OSU football players or staff after he was "banned" by the university's AD whch happened in 2010.
I would argue that #1 is what's being investigated with Pryor-- did he get cash as the OTL source said he did from Talbott. #2 is less sure but all the NCAA needs is one check fro Talbot for $0.01 to Pryor or a cell phone call post university ban and that's #2. Not saying the Talbott stuff isn't hot shit, but I think this latest piece by Brooks just provides more background and not is revolutionary in advancing the story. Pryor's lawyer isn't denying the Talbott connection anymore per a radio interview I heard yesterday on Sirius 94, but he maintains the contact ended in 2010 when the OSU AD banned Talbott. Talbott broke no NCAA rules on eligibility or even boosterism if he obatined the autographs in a publically available forum (post Spring Game event, etc) and then sold them for his own profit-- that happens all the time with memoriabilia dealers. The one smoking gun Brooks has is the Tressell photo from Jun 7, 2011 supposedly- but the facebook link from above that shows Talbott had that photo in 2009, before he was banned. If that's the case, then there's nothing to see here except a guy trying to hide his biz from the NCAA and state of Ohio for tax reasons. You have to have proof Talbott had first-person contact with the OSU football program after he was banned to really make a big case about this, unless of course Pryor did cash checks from Talbott at any time.
... prove that Talbott is a liar. He stated publicly the other day that he has never obtained any autographs from players while they were still active but has done so only from players who have completed their eligibility. That clearly is not true.
In the words of the immortal Howard Cossell, "Down goes the program, Down goes the program."
Turn out the lights, the party's over.
I don't see exactly how those pics implicate any of the players/tressel in illegal activities. Please explain this, because these look pretty legit.
I guess I was just hoping for a bunch of players smokin weed in the back of fine line tattoo parlor with talbot giving tressel a stack of cash in the corner in exchange for his signature on a hookers ass.
The key to the proof is access to Talbott's and the players' checking accounts. It has been proven Talbott wrote checks to pay Pryor; therefore, it is likely he wrote checks to other players. Now, how does the NCAA obtain access to a private individual's (Talbott's) checking account? The Buckeye loving moron did not register his company so it is likely he did not pay taxes. OSU, per scholarship agreements, has access to the players' checking account records. This will be useful to the NCAA if the players were dumb enough to deposit the checks like Pryor. Something tells me many were dumb enough.
are you for sersly that the NCAA can look at players bank accounts? It's like the gift that keeps on giving.
show that Talbott had an nregistered business in Ohio that made a lot of eBay money. I'll bet he didn't pay taxes on this income. When the IRS comes knocking DJ will come talking.
Now, Pryor, Herron, Posey's...checking accounts can be looked at by OSU Compliance (who will say aOK!) and the NCAA.
He does need to have created a formal business for tax purposes. It would just be deemed a sole proprietorship and his profits would flow through to him personally for taxation. He would still have to pay taxes,though.
have a field asking you if you made any money from online sales. If someone has a hard-on at the IRS they can go back and see if Talbott claimed any income from these. If reported dollar 0, all the proof they need he avoided reporting income would come from the eBay fedback comments probably :)
Someone like this guy?
Sorry fellas. I didn't mean to imply this was the grounbreaking news supposedly coming out sometime today. Just thought it was interesting how now the two are linked without denial and also the fact that he had the un_licensed memorabilia business. Also the fact that he suddenly removed all items from the web for sale. Title changed to not get to many people excited and then let down so early.
it's the off-season, and all things Buckeye DOOM are acceptable.
One of these days I'll wake up and there won't be more news piling on Ohio State. Hopefully that day won't come until September, when the only thing more entertaining than bad news for Ohio State will start -- then I'll obsess over that thing until February or something, then this ridiculous class will sign, and then the Ohio State bad news can start again.
would be if Talbott's checks were cashed by TP and compliance knew about it.
That would be big.
The interesting thing to me was that it was confirmation that the NCAA had copies of checks made out to TP from Talbott.
It was reported that Sports by Brooks had seen them, but it seemed unclear to me (in the past) if the NCAA would get them.
Those checks are probably going to be the key piece of evidence for the impending doom hammer.
Who says to themselves "man, I gotta get me some Schlegel gloves for $169.99"
I give you Exhibit A, and Exhibit B.
I loved some of the comments on the article itself. How thick can some of these fans be? I'm sure the natural reaction to these indictments coming out would be for the owner to shut down a legal/clean business and remove ALL advertising and any shred of evidence that it ever existed. That's what an innocent person would do...right?
So does anyone know exactly why OSU banned him? I would think that would show they knew violations were occuring and didn't report it. Though he seems kinda skeezy so there could be other reasons to ban him too.
that he was given access as a photographer, but that he used that access to hound players for signatures. I think the story (true or not) is that they banned him essentially for abusing his privileges.
i like our talbotts better
The checks from Talbott to Pryor are the key piece for two reasons:
1) They clearly establish Pryor taking money for autographs and clearly make him ineligible for that year.
But, more importantly,
2) It is a piece of easy to find evidence that OSU should have found when they did their "exhaustive" investigation on the heels of the tat-5 revelation. They had the legal ability to examine Pryor's bank accounts, which is an obvious thing to do given the tat-5 stuff, and either didn't do it or did it and ignored what they found. The checks are what will kill them from a lack of institutional control standpoint.
So not only did the NCAA uncover checks written to TP from Talbott, but now there are pictures too. HAHAHAHAHA, I now give tosu a new name.... it shall now and always be known as The Obviously Stupid University!!
At least 4 concerns for OSU:
1. NCAA just got done interviewing a dozen or so players and OSU officials in Columbus. Did anyone lie about their knowledge of or relationship with Talbott? Remember, it's often the coverup rather than the underlying transgression that trips up people in situations like this.
2. It's hard to tell from these pics, but is any of the stuff that Talbott has been selling "game worn"? If so, how and from whom did he get it?
3. What else is yet to come out? Brooks seems to come out with new pics and info every week. So do other media outlets. No word yet on whether federal and state tax officials might be getting involved and they have subpoena power. OSU players and officials are taking a huge risk if they are lying and covering up anything at this point.
4. Oh, yeah, the checks. Do they actually exist and does the NCAA have them? If so, is Pryor the only player to whom Talbott wrote checks? How stupid are all these people?
Mike Rothstein on WTKA has talked about them as if they definitely exist, as have many others. I'd like to hear about them from someone other than Sports by Brooks before I take that for granted.
Gonna be awfully hard to catch anyone in a lie here. Like other people said, signing autographs isn't a crime or an NCAA violation. Probably a lot of those autographs were signed at a team function with ol' Talbott standing in line with the rest of the hoi polloi to get one. Teams always have those. A guy could say he never signed an autograph for Talbott and it'd be nigh-impossible to tell the difference between someone who innocently signed one at a team event and someone who's just hiding behind that excuse.
Unless they cashed a check from Talbott.
It's easy to see how they could be caught lying. Heck, Talbott stated publicly the other day that he has never obtained autograps from active players. We now know that clearly is a lie. To implicate OSU in the lying, all it would take is for someone in OSU compliance or an OSU player to deny knowing Talbott other than in his capacity as a gameday freelance photographer and then have a photo pop up showing them together at a party or on a boat, etc. It happens all the time.
Has anyone ever seen this Talbott fellow in the same place with Jack Bauer? I bet not..Very Telling, no?
Weren't they supposed to come from 97.1 I'm Columbus? So is there a hope there will be more (hopefully worse) news still to come?
I think the thing that OSU fans and others associated with that university should be upset about is how Terelle Pryor has not once come out and made a pubic statement via press conference or radio interview regarding any of these issues and if he has I missed it. As a human being it is natural to be afraid or hesitant to own up to any wrong doing in fear of consequences or repercussions...but in this case with everything the public has seen thus far i think TP owes his fans and the university a well deserved apology...not to mention the other players involved. I think it shows cowardice and a complete lack of integrity to not do so. I am not sure if he realizes the situation that he has put not only the university in but also future student-athletes in as well. All the talk on this blog and others about this affecting recruiting, bowl bans and negative press has to be weighing on TPs mind. And, if he is any type of person he should feel extremely guilty and if he doesnt then he is a complete piece of garbage.
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I don't see the big deal, unless there is evidence of a payment to TP.
You can get all sorts of autographs on ebay.
Here's some for Mike Martin:
a couple pages of Denard:
Is SbB's point that people get college football player's autographs and sell them on ebay? Yes, that is true.
... SbB's point is that this guy has been selling an awful lot of memorabilia and equipment that is autographed by active players over the past few years and, for some reason, OSU suddenly disassociated itself from this guy early last fall. Why did OSU do that, and is it possible Gene Smith lied last December when he said the "memorabilia for cash and benefits" issue was limited to 5 players. Effectively, has OSU been truthful with the NCAA in terms of fully disclosing everything it knows about Talbott?
I obviously don't know, but it's not uncommon for a university to "disassoicate itself" from boosters they feel are up to no good. That's what the NCAA wants an athletic department to do. Find bad boosters, monitor them, and do what you can to make them go away.
Also, I don't think universities want "unapproved" dealers selling autographs of current players (because they like to sell those themselves).
The question is what "no good" stuff was Talbott disassociated for doing and has OSU been truthful with the NCAA about it. SbB's recent report, in and often itself, might not prove any NCAA violations occurred, but it clearly raises questions.
I think someone above mentioned it. He was given a pass to take pictures. He used the access to get autographs from players and sell them. OSU found out. Told him to go away.
The thing is, Brooks has already had a post stating that there is evidence of payment to TP.
In addition to Pryor’s past NCAA transgressions, today I confirmed that Ohio State was recently cited by NCAA enforcment officials for dozens of payments Pryor received in past years from a Columbus sports memorabilia dealer that are considered outside of NCAA rules.
The NCAA violations were discovered when the name of the local memorabilia dealer, Dennis Talbott, was seen on checks Pryor was depositing in his personal bank account.
I think his theory is that if he paid Pryor for autographs, there's a chance he paid off other players.
God, I really hope this wasn't the "bad news" coming today
He was a director of recruiting and staffing for them from 2007-2009..
Les Wexner top OSU trustee... not saying anything other than it makes you go hmmmmm
Nfw. If that is true, it is huge. If Talbott has been violating any NCAA rules, those violations can be linked back to an OSU trustee and it's #1 booster. Wexner has given over $200 million to OSU. He is OSU's Stephen Ross.
The school has the authority/duty to ask all those players to produce their bank acct statements to determine whether suspicious deposits were made during the relevant times. If they find something they have to self-report to the ncaa.
Okay, so I've read the OP five times. Unless I'm missing something, the Talbott/Wexler connection is incredibly damning for OSU -- assuming Talbott did indeed do what ESPN says he did. The stakes hold true even if the Wexler/Talbott connection is purely coincidental because:
1) The appearance of impropriety is itself a major breach.
2) Since OSU knew Talbott was shady -- it banned him -- why didn't OSU investigate the Talbott/Wexler connection and report its findings to the NCAA? Either OSU "handled" the matter (under the table) or didn't handle it all (because it didn't investigate). Either way: very bad, no?
By all rights, OSU should have told Wexler that any association with Talbott was unacceptable. And yet Talbott remained in Wexler's employ and Wexler remained on the board. Doesn't matter what Wexler knew about Talbott. OSU knew. It tolerated, at minimum, the appearance of impropriety. It looked the other way. Just as it did during the recent "investigations." This is some ghastly stuff.
It's pretty clear that Larry James will make statements to the press that he would not make in his capacity as an officer of the court. Consider the following:
"I know Dennis Talbott," James said. "I don't mean to belittle Dennis Talbott but Dennis Talbott is not a deep-pockets player. This is out of his league. He does not have this kind of cash.
"Dennis was a part-time photographer who knew a lot of players. He was known around town. He is harmless. He definitely did not have that kind of wherewithal to do that kind of stuff and that story is just bogus."
A big problem with James' statements are Talbott's tax liens:
[Talbott] has managed or owned staffing and employment recruiting businesses in the past decade, though a search of public records reveals a series of liens and financial judgments against him. The most substantial include an Internal Revenue Service lien filed in 2009 for $278,875 in unpaid federal taxes, followed by a state of Ohio tax lien in 2010 for $74,227.
For someone to owe $350,000 in back taxes means that person had personal income of around $1 million, give or take a $100,000 or so depending on the number of years at issue. Moreover, that Talbott didn't pay his taxes means that the $350,000 that he presently owes to federal and state authorities was available during the relevant period for use on memorabilia, etc.
James is talking out of his ass.