"They had really bad players" - Mack Brown referring to GERG coached Michigan defenses
ahahahaha.
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September 9th, 2013 at 8:31 PM ^
I'll stick up for GERG even though I was apopletic when we hired him (because I looked at his resume and couldn't figure out what the selling point was other than being DC for a couple of Denver Bronco Super Bowl winners... with halfway decent but not great defenses).
The personnel that year was a total clusterf**k. I'm sorry, but there was no scheming around having guys like James Rogers (total Michigan Man for playing his hardest, but not a corner) and 2-star true freshman Ray Vinopal (also a good kid, tough, likeable, not remotely ready to be on field) starting on your D. Greg Mattison could not have schemed around that and the rest of the inexperience and lack of physical maturity. He couldn't do it when Florida was too young, and the same group matured into a Steel Curtain type substance a year after he left.
Plus, what if you had required Mattison to
1. use the 3-3-5 (and whatever that morphed into later), which he had no experience with
2. use the coaches on the staff already, not bring in his own dudes
3. use the 3-3-5
Seriously. That deck is stacked like... uh... linebackers playing a 3-3-5?
Texas' D sucked last week, they'll suck next week, and probably beyond. Hard to believe if you look at the relevant recruiting classes.
September 9th, 2013 at 8:32 PM ^
We couldn't even tackle.
If you think Mack Brown knows anything, you are wrong. He passed on Mainzel, passed on the FSU QB, and lost to BYU. That says it all.
September 9th, 2013 at 8:54 PM ^
it helps when players get bigger, stronger, and more experienced, right? You know how we look at the weights when the rosters come out in spring and fall? You notice how they don't usually get smaller as they get older, right?
For example:
2007 Florida Gators defense under Mattison: mediocre on a good day.
2008 Florida Gators defense under Charlie Strong: phenomenal, dominating, with 9 returning starters from previously mediocre/lousy defense in 2007.
By your logic, Mattison must suck. Which is ridiculous.
Experience, physical maturity, and having the opportunity to run your own system with your own staff is important. Yes, he's also >> than GERG as a DC, as good as there is in college, but the difference in results between 2010 and 2011 was exaggerated by the circumstances.
September 10th, 2013 at 2:21 PM ^
You're not completely wrong, but you're also exagerrating how much players can improve via just experience in 9 months.
Mattison took a D that returned 6 starters (missing Mouton, Ezeh, Brown, Rogers, Vinopal/Cam Gordon at Safety) and improved them by nearly 100 spots in ranking.
You cannot possibly claim that Robinson's failure was solely due to bad players.
September 9th, 2013 at 9:00 PM ^
And passed on RG3.
And has a 450lb man be their strength & conditioning coach.
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September 9th, 2013 at 9:06 PM ^
September 10th, 2013 at 9:34 AM ^
He wasn't even offered at UT. Mack passed on him.
"Jameis Winston wanted to go to Texas but was never offered"
Also,
"Remember, this is the same Mack Brown that wanted the last two Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks – Baylor’s Robert Griffin III and Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel – to play defensive back for the Longhorns."
September 9th, 2013 at 10:35 PM ^
pay, Mattison would not have taken that job. And would not have had to because other, much better jobs would have been available. Gerg would be entering into the same situation at Texas as he did at Michigan -- a coach on the hot seat, in part, because of a terrible defense. What good DC is going to come there?
September 9th, 2013 at 8:50 PM ^
Oh really? Those same players that constituted a top 20 defense the very next year? That's weird.
September 9th, 2013 at 8:51 PM ^
September 9th, 2013 at 8:58 PM ^
on defense when greg showed up. that's it. other than brandon graham (magnus' avatar here) he had what, one or two guys of signif talent? add to that rich rod's mandating a 3-3-5 defense which greg had never run before and which is not going to get it done in the big10 and you had receipe for disaster.
greg has coached a lot of winning teams, has two superbowl rings to show for it. easy to snipe when you can load every negative thought or deed unto one guy, and you look past 30 years of coaching, most of which was very good.
September 9th, 2013 at 9:32 PM ^
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September 9th, 2013 at 9:30 PM ^
I'm sure anyone that follows M ball at all is aware that Carr left the program with 21 defensive players on scholarship; roughly 1/2 the number of any major D1 team. And, of course, they were all upperclassmen with almost the entire starting 11 graduating in '08. That leaves inexperience even among those few that would return. You do recall having to play three walk-ons out of necessity, not because they were scholarship caliber when they started, don't you? Rich Rod was not only tasked with totally rebuilding the offense, an offense in which he inherited a total of one year's experience returning from an OT and had to start another walk-on who couldn't throw the ball 20 yards without begging the question, Did he kick that fucker or throw it? RR couldn't be too damn picky. He had to get some damn players who, of course, due to the above were forced to start way earlier than the norm. His composite recruiting score per Rivals was only .69 total less than the last three year avg of Carr's. So Mack might definitely be on to something, but we all know where the blame lies for those three tough, but understandable years. The one thing that pisses me off about those years, yup only one, is that some no writing mother fucking UM grad who was, probably not employed at all any longer, employed by one of the local rags sold what little was left of his soul to ensure that the University that he took his degree from would carry the stigma of a major infraction, only because the NCAA says anything not listed as minor is automatically considered a major infraction. Rosenberg, coupled with Carr had as much to do for that three year period than any coach we employed during that time frame. I suppose Mack has a bunch of bad players at TX all of sudden too. BYU set records for rushing yards allowed by TX, most rushing yards ever by BYU and most rushing yards ever by a BYU QB. Hell, if Denard had played against them Saturday, he would have gained roughly 1,000 in the first half. Mack is whack.
September 9th, 2013 at 10:41 PM ^
September 10th, 2013 at 12:28 PM ^
http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/roster-2008-archive.html
And as for the offense, there was at least 2 other offensive linemen and one QB on the roster when Carr left the team....
And really- paragraph breaks.
September 9th, 2013 at 9:40 PM ^
September 9th, 2013 at 9:41 PM ^
he's right.
September 9th, 2013 at 9:46 PM ^
That was totally Mattison's excuse for a bad defense his first year here.
Oh wait.
September 9th, 2013 at 9:55 PM ^
Mack Brown has just made the "hire of death" for his coaching career at Texas.
The best was when the reporter asked the question, "So what happened at Syracuse with Greg Robinson?"
September 9th, 2013 at 10:06 PM ^
Have fun, Texas.
September 9th, 2013 at 11:00 PM ^
Just don't come to Ann Arbor looking for a new d coordinator
September 9th, 2013 at 11:02 PM ^
I say it's 50/50 that he will get the Texas job next year.
September 9th, 2013 at 11:27 PM ^
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September 10th, 2013 at 12:53 PM ^
Why Texans are so quick to dismiss his Syracuse years cuz he was the head coach. If he was such a good DC, then as head coach you'd think at least his defenses would be somewhat solid? Usually a coach has an offensive or defensive identity...that side of the ball will be better than the other...and that 's certainly true of Hoke so far (though...this year might break that trend), So at least Cuse's defenses would have been decent - average at best, no?
For completeness, it should be noted that 2004 Texas was ranked #23 in the nation under Gerg. I don't know the circumstances around it, maybe they played crappy offenses all year, maybe he inherited players who already had sound fundamentals - but I do seem to recall Michigan putting up 37ish points with a freshman QB and freshman RB (Henne/Hart) against that 'vaunted' defense. So even that year could be a smokescreen.
September 10th, 2013 at 1:55 PM ^
September 10th, 2013 at 12:54 AM ^
But it's time for somebody to take you out to the pasture to be shot.
September 10th, 2013 at 7:20 AM ^
I'd like to see a Texas-USC rematch.
September 10th, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^
September 10th, 2013 at 1:44 PM ^
So THATS why Mattison turned the defense into a top 20 defense the following year GERG cratered it to 110th.
Mack you be cray cray.