Sopwith

September 9th, 2013 at 8:31 PM ^

I'll stick up for GERG even though I was apopletic when we hired him (because I looked at his resume and couldn't figure out what the selling point was other than being DC for a couple of Denver Bronco Super Bowl winners... with halfway decent but not great defenses).

The personnel that year was a total clusterf**k.  I'm sorry, but there was no scheming around having guys like James Rogers (total Michigan Man for playing his hardest, but not a corner) and 2-star true freshman Ray Vinopal (also a good kid, tough, likeable, not remotely ready to be on field) starting on your D.  Greg Mattison could not have schemed around that and the rest of the inexperience and lack of physical maturity.  He couldn't do it when Florida was too young, and the same group matured into a Steel Curtain type substance a year after he left.

Plus, what if you had required Mattison to

1.  use the 3-3-5 (and whatever that morphed into later), which he had no experience with

2.  use the coaches on the staff already, not bring in his own dudes

3.  use the 3-3-5

Seriously.  That deck is stacked like... uh... linebackers playing a 3-3-5?

Texas' D sucked last week, they'll suck next week, and probably beyond.  Hard to believe if you look at the relevant recruiting classes. 

jblaze

September 9th, 2013 at 8:32 PM ^

Just explain gergs 2nd year to mattison's 1st, just 8 months later. Gerg in 2010 was awful. Mattison in 2011 amazing.

We couldn't even tackle.

If you think Mack Brown knows anything, you are wrong. He passed on Mainzel, passed on the FSU QB, and lost to BYU. That says it all.

Sopwith

September 9th, 2013 at 8:54 PM ^

it helps when players get bigger, stronger, and more experienced, right?  You know how we look at the weights when the rosters come out in spring and fall?   You notice how they don't usually get smaller as they get older, right?  

For example:

2007 Florida Gators defense under Mattison: mediocre on a good day.

2008 Florida Gators defense under Charlie Strong: phenomenal, dominating, with 9 returning starters from previously mediocre/lousy defense in 2007.

By your logic, Mattison must suck.  Which is ridiculous.  

Experience, physical maturity, and having the opportunity to run your own system with your own staff is important.  Yes, he's also >> than GERG as a DC, as good as there is in college, but the difference in results between 2010 and 2011 was exaggerated by the circumstances.

 

 

chitownblue2

September 10th, 2013 at 2:21 PM ^

You're not completely wrong, but you're also exagerrating how much players can improve via just experience in 9 months.

Mattison took a D that returned 6 starters (missing Mouton, Ezeh, Brown, Rogers, Vinopal/Cam Gordon at Safety) and improved them by nearly 100 spots in ranking.

You cannot possibly claim that Robinson's failure was solely due to bad players.

jblaze

September 10th, 2013 at 9:34 AM ^

He wasn't even offered at UT. Mack passed on him.

"Jameis Winston wanted to go to Texas but was never offered"

Also,

"Remember, this is the same Mack Brown that wanted the last two Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks – Baylor’s Robert Griffin III and Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel – to play defensive back for the Longhorns."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/florida-state-phenom-qb-jameis-winston-wanted-texas-173337189--ncaaf.html

 

SHub'68

September 9th, 2013 at 10:35 PM ^

pay, Mattison would not have taken that job.  And would not have had to because other, much better jobs would have been available.  Gerg would be entering into the same situation at Texas as he did at Michigan -- a coach on the hot seat, in part, because of a terrible defense.  What good DC is going to come there?

XM - Mt 1822

September 9th, 2013 at 8:58 PM ^

on defense when greg showed up.   that's it.  other than brandon graham (magnus' avatar here) he had what, one or two guys of signif talent?  add to that rich rod's mandating a 3-3-5 defense which greg had never run before and which is not going to get it done in the big10 and you had receipe for disaster. 

greg has coached a lot of winning teams, has two superbowl rings to show for it.  easy to snipe when you can load every negative thought or deed unto one guy, and you look past 30 years of coaching, most of which was very good.  

xxxxNateDaGreat

September 9th, 2013 at 9:32 PM ^

When the successor takes a bottom 20 defense and turns it into a top 20 defense using largely the same players, that falls almost entirely on the predecessor. There are some legitimate excuses, but the bottom line is this: GERG may not be completely terrible (although defensive stats from his non-texas teams say he is) but he was terrible at Michigan.

sidthekid

September 9th, 2013 at 9:24 PM ^

Was at the Rose bowl against Texas...Most fun I've ever had at a sporting event in my life. Texas fans were respectful of us and very friendly. Compared to the USC fans the year before they were an absolute pleasure to tailgate and watch the game with that year. Carr gave that game away by playing not to lose instead of to win halfway through the 3rd Quarter. This is my first post ever by the way. Thanks for having me!

Wolfman

September 9th, 2013 at 9:30 PM ^

I'm sure anyone that follows M ball at all is aware that Carr left the program with 21 defensive players on scholarship; roughly 1/2 the number of any major D1 team. And, of course, they were all upperclassmen with almost the entire starting 11 graduating in '08.  That leaves inexperience even among those few that would return. You do recall having to play three walk-ons out of necessity, not because they were scholarship caliber when they started, don't you? Rich Rod was not only tasked with totally rebuilding the offense, an offense in which he inherited a total of one year's experience returning from an OT and had to start another walk-on who couldn't throw the ball 20 yards without begging the question, Did he kick that fucker or throw it?  RR couldn't be too damn picky. He had to get some damn players who, of course, due to the above were forced to start way earlier than the norm.  His composite recruiting score per Rivals was only .69 total less than the last three year avg of Carr's. So Mack might definitely be on to something, but we all know where the blame lies for those three tough, but understandable years. The one thing that pisses me off about those years, yup only one, is that some no writing mother fucking UM grad who was, probably not employed at all any longer, employed by one of the local rags sold what little was left of his soul to ensure that the University that he took his degree from would carry the stigma of a major infraction, only because the NCAA says anything not listed as minor is automatically considered a major infraction.  Rosenberg, coupled with Carr had as much to do for that three year period than any coach we employed during that time frame.  I suppose Mack has a bunch of bad players at TX all of sudden too. BYU set records for rushing yards allowed by TX, most rushing yards ever by BYU and most rushing yards ever by a BYU QB. Hell, if Denard had played against them Saturday, he would have gained roughly 1,000 in the first half.  Mack is whack. 

snoopblue

September 9th, 2013 at 9:55 PM ^

Mack Brown has just made the "hire of death" for his coaching career at Texas. 

The best was when the reporter asked the question, "So what happened at Syracuse with Greg Robinson?" 

TrppWlbrnID

September 9th, 2013 at 11:27 PM ^

RR handcuffed both gerg and Schaefer to the 3 3 5. Schaefer fell on his sword and left after 2008. 2013 he is the head coach at Syracuse, after having a couple respectable defenses. It's a decent job and being trusted with moving into a new conference as the head of that program is no small deal. Gerg's d was a mess, but it was just a terrible fit with RR.

chatster

September 10th, 2013 at 12:12 AM ^

By most accounts, Gerg is a nice man; but how can anyone in their right mind tout Gerg as a great defensive coach anymore?  The man's recent resume shows that he was the worst head coach in Syracuse football history (10-37 in four years while he also served as Defensive Co-Coordinator) and the worst Defensive Coordinator in Michigan football history.
 
“Gergian” defenses in the NFL ranked 24th with the Denver Broncos in 2000, and then, with the Kansas City Chiefs, 23rd in 2001, 32nd in 2002 and 29th in 2003 when he last coached in the NFL.
 
His most-recent college defenses were ranked 57th (using Paul Pasqualoni’s players) in 2005, 107th in 2006, 111th in 2007 and 101st in 2008 at Syracuse; and 82nd in 2009 and 108th in 2010 at Michigan.
 
In those ten seasons, six of his defenses finished in the bottom 20% of all teams. The one "good" season out of those ten (2005) saw his defense ranked just barely in the top half of all NCAA FBS teams.
 
Did all of those teams Gerg coached have players who were "young" and "really bad?"  If the man were considered to be such a defensive coaching genius, how come he wasn't coaching anyone but high school long snappers during the 2012 season?  How many teams were chomping at the bit to hire him after he was fired from Michigan following the 2010 season?
 
There were rumors at Syracuse after he was fired there that he'd begged them to keep him for just one more season, and that he'd agree to be paid nothing for that fifth year after they'd paid him $1,000,000 a year while he was leading the team to two 10-loss seasons in his four seasons there -- the only double-digit-loss sasons in Syracuse's long football history.
 
There also were rumors that Gerg's wife had become friendly with Rich Rodriguez's wife at Big East Coaches Conventions, and that it was the wives who encouraged their husbands' fateful, disastrous partnership at Michigan.

CompleteLunacy

September 10th, 2013 at 12:53 PM ^

Why Texans are so quick to dismiss his Syracuse years cuz he was the head coach. If he was such a good DC, then as head coach you'd think at least his defenses would be somewhat solid? Usually a coach has an offensive or defensive identity...that side of the ball will be better than the other...and that 's certainly true of Hoke so far (though...this year might break that trend), So at least Cuse's defenses would have been decent - average at best, no?

For completeness, it should be noted that 2004 Texas was ranked #23 in the nation under Gerg. I don't know the circumstances around it, maybe they played crappy offenses all year, maybe he inherited players who already had sound fundamentals - but I do seem to recall Michigan putting up 37ish points with a freshman QB and freshman RB (Henne/Hart) against that 'vaunted' defense. So even that year could be a smokescreen.

chatster

September 10th, 2013 at 1:55 PM ^

Don't be fooled into thinking that Gerg performed miracles at Texas in 2004.  When Gerg was co-defensive coordinator with Duane Akina at Texas in 2004, the Longhorns ranked 23rd in total defense (320.08), 18th in scoring defense (17.92), 31st in pass efficiency defense (114.26) and 16th in rush defense (107.42).  In the 2005 Rose Bowl, Gerg's vaunted Texas defense gave up 37 points and 352 total yards (227 passing; 125 rushing) to a team with a freshman quarterback named Chad Henne and a freshman running back named Mike Hart, and allowed Braylon Edwards to have 10 catches for 109 yards and three TDs.
 
By comparison, in 2003, while Gerg was leading the Kansas City Chiefs defense to their ranking of 29th in the NFL, Texas ranked 25th in total defense (329.85), 32nd in scoring defense (21.54), 18th in pass efficiency defense (106.47) and 58th in rush defense (152.54).  So, Gerg helped to make the 25th best defense the 23rd best defense.  Admittedly, the Longhorns' rush defense improved dramatically that year.
 
In 2005, after Gerg left for his six-year trek to become the worst head football coach in Syracuse history and the worst defensive coordinator in Michigan football history, Texas ranked 10th in total defense (302.92), 8th in scoring defense (16.38), 4th in pass efficiency defense (96.70) and 33rd in rush defense (130.92).

imMaizeNBlu

September 10th, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^

Wasn't Diaz a hot name for a HC job in the NFL or the NCAA ? Was this decline simply a matter of him running out of talented players (which I doubt), did the players he had not respect him, or was this a matter of facing better offenses in the Big 12 ?