Fortunately for GERG, he has proven players at Texas who have shown they are capable of protecting against the run.
Oh Mack. You really have no idea what's coming do you?
On the contrary, I think he knows excatly what's coming, which is why he's in full on desperation mode. You don't fire your DC in favor of an average-at-best DC 2 games into the season unless your seat is on fire.
"average at best" is excessively kind. That's like calling Bellomy's performance against Nebraska 'average at best'.
Don't let GERG off the hook that easy.
Well, I'm condeding that GERG had success at other coaching stops, and you can't completely ignore that.
As much as I hate saying bad things about RR him forcing his DCs to play the 3-3-5 was a major mistake. As if Gerg wasn't mediocre enough, i also think that RR made a mistake throwing Schaffer under the bus after his first season.
season at Texas (co DC) prior to going Syracuse. Before their bowl game, Texas gave up 3 second half points all season. I thought we landed a Mattison/Tenuta type of DC when we got Gerg. Clearly, I was wrong. Also, clearly, Gerg likes to rub my face in it. And by "it" I mean a stuffed animal.
Tony Gibson as our DB coach didn't help either. RR certainly contributed to the problem. Still, you have to go back to 2004 to find a Gerg defense that wasn't a disaster.
I would take a monkey randomly pointing at a play sheet over GERG.
Thanks -- I had not seen that from Martin. Confirms my general sense that Robinson's main problem on the college level is that he doesn't know how to teach. He was especially lost at Michigan when he was asked to teach a defense (3-3-5) that he wasn't experienced with but, honestly, THAT'S NO EXCUSE.
I taught a course last year in an area of my field I had never taught before. It was a bitch. I worked constantly just to stay a week ahead of my students. But in the end I survived and when I do it again next year it will be the best course in my rotation, because it is so up-to-date.
He ran the 3-3-5 for two years here. Even if Gibson sucked, he had a staff of assistants using to running it. One would think he had time to learn it if he wanted to. Perhaps as a young coach he would have.
And got his contract buy out to keep his mouth shut. All you have to do is see his final press conference where he sarcastically talks about taking all the blame.
And there were always the rumors that he said he'd do that if Rich would just admit to him that Gibson was the worst position coach alive.
The biggest mistake with DC's was Martin and then Brandon not giving RR enough money to hire Jeff Casteel. And wasn't it Brandon who decided on GERG?
GERG got here in January 2009. Brandon was hired in January 2010. Much as I'd like to blame Brandon, this really isn't on him.l
His mishandling of the defense is what cost him his position here. If he had let Shafer run his scheme with his own assistants, he might well have still been at UM today. He might have even still been around if he had let Robinson run his scheme.
Brown has seen the writing on the wall for a couple of years now. People are pretty much over Vince Young and Coly McCoy; this team has been pretty average for a couple of years now. It would be great with hiring GERG turns out to be another coach killer of sorts.
I don't think he's referring to the possibility of losing his job when he says, "You don't know what's coming." He's referring to Mack not realizing how horrible GERG is going to be.
They have a really bad coach
This hiring is as questionable as MSU's of Bolman.
Them fighting words...lets get them on the schedule ASAP
This appears to be a half glass full, best case scenario here. I don't think the Gerg hiring will go this well.
Bad players who were BCS Sugar Bowl champions as soon as he left.
Exactly. Tell Mack to also check how those same players ranked in scoring defense the next season. I think they jumped a "few" spots.
What a dumb comment by Mack. Those players in Coach Hoke's first year formed a top 15 defense. Its no wonder Texas is going downhill. ..the head coach lacks insight and common sense. Get him and Kiffin out ASAP.
Keep 'em both, and let them both keep losing.
What a dumb comment by Mack. Those players in Coach Hoke's first year formed a top 15 defense. Its no wonder Texas is going downhill. ..the head coach lacks insight and common sense. Get him and Kiffin out ASAP.
We had plenty enough talent to field a competent defense. They're just going through the 5 stages of GERG
Does the beaver come before or after sadness?
The beaver is omnipresent
The beaver itself goes through the same range of emotions.
Incisive, funny, and most of all, accurate.
We've just found our marquee opponent for 2014. Get on the phone, Mr. Brandon!
The same players who turned into one of the top defenses the next year under coach Mattison?
Texas football just became must-see TV this year. I can't wait to watch (and laugh at) this man's comedy stylings as DC.
to show his beaver.
Stop it. I just spit the water out of my mouth.
Karma, well, you know.
There's a storm coming in Austin and it's got brown fur and is named Dr. Vorax.
Also insert .gif of Major Payne laughing shortly before teaching his platoon in the movie with the same name.
Young, yes. Bad, no.
Same bad players we're a top 15 D the following year. What changed in those 9 months...hmm...
Well, one thing that changed was all those players were a year older. Let's be honest - aside from a good player or two (Brandon Graham, Mike Martin), that was not a good crew of players. And while it may be true that some of those guys were bad because they were young, that doesn't change the fact that some of those players were bad at the time...or they were poorly coached, which was just as much Rodriguez's fault as Greg Robinson's.
Greg Robinson has had decent defensive performances at times, and he didn't forget how to coach overnight. The fact that he failed miserably at Michigan reflects more on Rodriguez, Rodriguez's recruiting, and Rodriguez's priorities than anyone else.
the schemes. There's also the atmosphere. These are kids and they're going to be very susceptible to what's going on around them. One thing Brady has done is restore a winning atmosphere (and also brought in great coaching and fine players).
as you state Magnus, Robinson's failure stems more from RR's failures than his own shortcomings as a coach. The organizational focus on the offense and belief that a clever 3-3-5 system and an best-in-class S&C system would make give Mich a big edge on defense too would doom any D coach under RR. The 3-3-5 was never clearly understood by the coaching staff (and certianly not the players) and the S&C program fooled the staff into thinking they could do more with less.
Does this guy know who Greg Mattison is?
Not to mention some older bad players like Stevie Brown or Jonas Mouton to a lesser extent that all of the sudden apparently figured out how to play football....
Gerg moved Stevie Brown to a LB position from safety and he became one of our best defensive players. I always thought Brown was talented but he never took good angles, glad he is doing well now.
That quote was taken out of context. Here is the actual exchange (brackets denote excised text).
Reporter: would you say the players GERG coached at Michigan were squares?
Brown: [No,] they had really bad players. [Like "baaaad" as in "cool." Does anyone else here speak 1970s blaxploitation film dialogue?]
I think he really meant to say we were so . . . phony.
It's a shame those "really bad players" will never get a chance to face this bum. Yes, the 3-3-5 didn't help GERG's cause, but it's not like anything else he did while he worked any better. Brown and co. will be out at Texas soon enough.
Interesting considering 5 of those guys are on NFL teams and a couple more are on scout teams.
an argument for the talented players were young and the assistant coaches weren't good. Especially the secondary coach, and the D-coordinator.
You could make that argument, but for starters, I'm sure the defensive assistants aren't blowing it out of the water in Austin or they wouldn't be in this mess. And let's say I concede that our guys were young, or bad. They weren't 100th in the nation young/bad.
GERG strikes me as the DC who could do OK with very good talent. But he's being asked to actually turn around a bad defense. That ain't happenin'.
What Mack Brown either doesn't know or fails to mention is that some of the same "bad players", of course, have since had the opportunity to play on the 17th and 13th ranked defense in the nation on the same team with different coaching. So yeah, Mack Brown was speaking out of an orifice that was not on his face.
I think you mean his urethra.
I think the Texas AD is on the phone with Petrino as we type.
No way, that guy gets a big time job this soon.
Crazy things happen when boosters and donors get fed up.
That's some funny shit there.
Oh, is that why our 110ish in FBS ranked defense became a top 20 unit in one year with most of the same players?
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Mack Brown is turning into a joke. I cant believe he is still going to have a job after the past two seasons of losing with a lot of talent. Maybe they should have made Mack retire as Muschamp was walking out the door for Florida. If you think GERG is going to save your season, you have lost all hope. There AD should start looking for a new coach. It shouldnt be that hard to find one.
French for: I'm fucked and I can't get a good DC to join me.
They have bad players? 550 yards rushing is more than the coaching staff.
It's interesting. Gerg's one year as DC at Texas (in 2004) was an O.K. year. But aside from Oklahoma who they lost to, the Horns didn't play a team better than 7-5 during the regular season. When we played them in the Rose Bowl that year, we put 37 points and a ton of offensive yards against Gerg's defense with a freshman QB and a freshman running back. But that was quickly written off as "impressive" because the argument was we were only in the game because of Steve Breaston's kickoff returns. The impressive numbers that Henne and Braylon put up were all of the sudden moot.
If that one season (almost a decade ago) is good enough in Brown's eyes to get Gerg back, let him live in lala land. But reality will very soon smack him in the face.
That would be like 2 mentally handicapped 5 year olds playing against each other lol
More like two quadriplegics arm wrestling.
I woud rather try to divide by zero than contemplate that possibility.
What if the NFL reads this. I'd hate to see all of them get cut because they were bad.
Unfortunately I doubt Texas will be meeting us in the Rose Bowl this year. I do hear the Meineke Car Care Bowl should be available if Texas can squeeze out 7 wins.
Gerg recruited them and coached them to be one of the worst defenses in the country. Then Mattison turned them into one of the best the following year.
What a delusional prick.
Since Texas just fired their DC, does that mean they have bad players as well?
Mack Brown just made his comments out of desperation. The dude is trying to keep his job. I'm not taking them too seriously. The former players, on the other hand, have a right to be pissed.
Another interesting question is how this affects recruiting. I know GERG didn't do any recruiting for us, and I imagine Diaz did. I have to imagine this shake up will hurt Texas's recruiting, in addition to the whole situation they find themselves in. They weren't exactly lighting the world on fire on the recruiting trail anyway.\
EDIT: After a little research, Texas currently had one (1) commit in the top 10 players in the state of Texas according to the 247 composite. TAMU and Baylor(!) each have 2. 4 are uncommitted, but of them, two don't even list Texas in the crystal ball and third has Texas at 12%.
and bodes ill for Brown's tenure. When the big program in the state is getting outrecruited by a historic doormat and the most hated instate rival, the UT alums can't be anything other than apoplectic. They're not used to finishing second in the Republic of Texas.
As "BAD" as they were, I dont think they ever gave up 500 yards rushing!
Brandon Graham, Mike Martin, Donovan Warren, Stevie Brown, Jonas Mouton, Jordan Kovacs. The players were NOT the problem.
Your player apparently are very bad as well...
loyalty to people he used to work with who are not competent. I can admit being 54 years old that the older you get, the greater your tendency to fall back on what's worked in the past. This is a problem for coaches reaching retirement age. GERG is a terrible choice for everyone outside his world. This clearly shows why he needs to go.
It's just time to put that old horse down.
I'll stick up for GERG even though I was apopletic when we hired him (because I looked at his resume and couldn't figure out what the selling point was other than being DC for a couple of Denver Bronco Super Bowl winners... with halfway decent but not great defenses).
The personnel that year was a total clusterf**k. I'm sorry, but there was no scheming around having guys like James Rogers (total Michigan Man for playing his hardest, but not a corner) and 2-star true freshman Ray Vinopal (also a good kid, tough, likeable, not remotely ready to be on field) starting on your D. Greg Mattison could not have schemed around that and the rest of the inexperience and lack of physical maturity. He couldn't do it when Florida was too young, and the same group matured into a Steel Curtain type substance a year after he left.
Plus, what if you had required Mattison to
1. use the 3-3-5 (and whatever that morphed into later), which he had no experience with
2. use the coaches on the staff already, not bring in his own dudes
3. use the 3-3-5
Seriously. That deck is stacked like... uh... linebackers playing a 3-3-5?
Texas' D sucked last week, they'll suck next week, and probably beyond. Hard to believe if you look at the relevant recruiting classes.
Just explain gergs 2nd year to mattison's 1st, just 8 months later. Gerg in 2010 was awful. Mattison in 2011 amazing.
We couldn't even tackle.
If you think Mack Brown knows anything, you are wrong. He passed on Mainzel, passed on the FSU QB, and lost to BYU. That says it all.
it helps when players get bigger, stronger, and more experienced, right? You know how we look at the weights when the rosters come out in spring and fall? You notice how they don't usually get smaller as they get older, right?
2007 Florida Gators defense under Mattison: mediocre on a good day.
2008 Florida Gators defense under Charlie Strong: phenomenal, dominating, with 9 returning starters from previously mediocre/lousy defense in 2007.
By your logic, Mattison must suck. Which is ridiculous.
Experience, physical maturity, and having the opportunity to run your own system with your own staff is important. Yes, he's also >> than GERG as a DC, as good as there is in college, but the difference in results between 2010 and 2011 was exaggerated by the circumstances.
You're not completely wrong, but you're also exagerrating how much players can improve via just experience in 9 months.
Mattison took a D that returned 6 starters (missing Mouton, Ezeh, Brown, Rogers, Vinopal/Cam Gordon at Safety) and improved them by nearly 100 spots in ranking.
You cannot possibly claim that Robinson's failure was solely due to bad players.
And passed on Andrew Luck.
And passed on RG3.
And has a 450lb man be their strength & conditioning coach.
Actually he didn't pass on Winston the FSU QB even Jimbo Fisher said when he was recruiting him that he knew Texas was going after him
He wasn't even offered at UT. Mack passed on him.
"Jameis Winston wanted to go to Texas but was never offered"
"Remember, this is the same Mack Brown that wanted the last two Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks – Baylor’s Robert Griffin III and Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel – to play defensive back for the Longhorns."
pay, Mattison would not have taken that job. And would not have had to because other, much better jobs would have been available. Gerg would be entering into the same situation at Texas as he did at Michigan -- a coach on the hot seat, in part, because of a terrible defense. What good DC is going to come there?
Oh really? Those same players that constituted a top 20 defense the very next year? That's weird.
is about to get stuffed.
When the successor takes a bottom 20 defense and turns it into a top 20 defense using largely the same players, that falls almost entirely on the predecessor.
There are some legitimate excuses, but the bottom line is this: GERG may not be completely terrible (although defensive stats from his non-texas teams say he is) but he was terrible at Michigan.
I'm sure anyone that follows M ball at all is aware that Carr left the program with 21 defensive players on scholarship; roughly 1/2 the number of any major D1 team. And, of course, they were all upperclassmen with almost the entire starting 11 graduating in '08. That leaves inexperience even among those few that would return. You do recall having to play three walk-ons out of necessity, not because they were scholarship caliber when they started, don't you? Rich Rod was not only tasked with totally rebuilding the offense, an offense in which he inherited a total of one year's experience returning from an OT and had to start another walk-on who couldn't throw the ball 20 yards without begging the question, Did he kick that fucker or throw it? RR couldn't be too damn picky. He had to get some damn players who, of course, due to the above were forced to start way earlier than the norm. His composite recruiting score per Rivals was only .69 total less than the last three year avg of Carr's. So Mack might definitely be on to something, but we all know where the blame lies for those three tough, but understandable years. The one thing that pisses me off about those years, yup only one, is that some no writing mother fucking UM grad who was, probably not employed at all any longer, employed by one of the local rags sold what little was left of his soul to ensure that the University that he took his degree from would carry the stigma of a major infraction, only because the NCAA says anything not listed as minor is automatically considered a major infraction. Rosenberg, coupled with Carr had as much to do for that three year period than any coach we employed during that time frame. I suppose Mack has a bunch of bad players at TX all of sudden too. BYU set records for rushing yards allowed by TX, most rushing yards ever by BYU and most rushing yards ever by a BYU QB. Hell, if Denard had played against them Saturday, he would have gained roughly 1,000 in the first half. Mack is whack.
And as for the offense, there was at least 2 other offensive linemen and one QB on the roster when Carr left the team....
And really- paragraph breaks.
before they fire Robinson and brown?
That was totally Mattison's excuse for a bad defense his first year here.
Mack Brown has just made the "hire of death" for his coaching career at Texas.
The best was when the reporter asked the question, "So what happened at Syracuse with Greg Robinson?"
Have fun, Texas.
Just don't come to Ann Arbor looking for a new d coordinator
I say it's 50/50 that he will get the Texas job next year.
RR handcuffed both gerg and Schaefer to the 3 3 5. Schaefer fell on his sword and left after 2008. 2013 he is the head coach at Syracuse, after having a couple respectable defenses. It's a decent job and being trusted with moving into a new conference as the head of that program is no small deal. Gerg's d was a mess, but it was just a terrible fit with RR.
Another fricking example of the fricking unbelievable fricking luck of the fricking Fig-frick-thing Irish.
Why Texans are so quick to dismiss his Syracuse years cuz he was the head coach. If he was such a good DC, then as head coach you'd think at least his defenses would be somewhat solid? Usually a coach has an offensive or defensive identity...that side of the ball will be better than the other...and that 's certainly true of Hoke so far (though...this year might break that trend), So at least Cuse's defenses would have been decent - average at best, no?
For completeness, it should be noted that 2004 Texas was ranked #23 in the nation under Gerg. I don't know the circumstances around it, maybe they played crappy offenses all year, maybe he inherited players who already had sound fundamentals - but I do seem to recall Michigan putting up 37ish points with a freshman QB and freshman RB (Henne/Hart) against that 'vaunted' defense. So even that year could be a smokescreen.
But it's time for somebody to take you out to the pasture to be shot.
I'd like to see a Texas-USC rematch.
Wasn't Diaz a hot name for a HC job in the NFL or the NCAA ? Was this decline simply a matter of him running out of talented players (which I doubt), did the players he had not respect him, or was this a matter of facing better offenses in the Big 12 ?
So THATS why Mattison turned the defense into a top 20 defense the following year GERG cratered it to 110th.
Mack you be cray cray.