Is better than you, and he knows it.
Lou Holtzis better than you.
Everytime You talk I will bring up this.. Please leave
Thanks Dave, dickhead.
If two of our five most important players are effin injured tomorrow.
Lewan, Moore and Countess?
This game was scheduled before Dave Brandon took the helm. Can't pin this on him
I don't think that's true.
It is true.
Is January before October? And was that still true 2 years ago?
RAGE! MISPLACED ANGER AAAAAARGH!
This isn't Dave's fault. This is the football team's fault. Things clearly didn't go well and we simply failed to do...well..anything. Playing difficult competition is good. But, that was bad. I look forward to the improvement that this team makes throughout the year. I have a lot of faith in this team and this coaching staff.
my faith is GREATLY shaken in Al Borges. Sorry, but that game plan was brutal. Similar to the couple pf debacles from last year where we went all I-Form.
My pizza had a pewb on the pepperoni. I want my 10.99 back.
Michigan is recognized as having the best unis in college football. Why F' with your brand?
Obviously the unis didn't affect the game, but I don't understand why he'd mess with brand recognition
The same reason every other school has 5000 uniforms now. To sell more jerseys.
However we are 1-2 in special jersey games ... so maybe they are affecting things :)
2-2. Wins: ND & VT. Losses: MSU & Bama
I agree. We should have worn the normal home jerseys. BUT, it didn't help or help the game at all. Jerseys are jerseys, man. The team's performance is what should have bothered you!!
You'll be wearing a lot of normal home jerseys when you're...
Hey. Better idea: Step away from MGoblog.
Post of the night in my book. We never make good decisions when we are upset
Do you disagree? Do it in 2-3 years, fine. This kind of a loss can hurt your brand and recruiting, not to mention the injuries. It was a stupid idea.
The injuries are DB's fault? That makes no sense. It is random - a player is just as likely to get injured against baby seal U as Alabama. They are part of the game.
I understand that it's the hip thing to do to come on the board and try to be the mature voice of reason after a loss. More power to you. But you're delusional if you think Delaware State's 185-pound linebackers are as likely to hurt a player as Alabama's flying manchildren.
Did anyone even really touch Denard when he hurt himself stretching for a first down? Did anyone even touch Countess when he injured himself trying to tackle the punt returner?
He got clipped/pushed while he was the gunner as he was squaring up. So yes, I doubt that happens vs Western or Rice or whatever patsie we should have been playing.
When other teams are playing nobodies, you should play nobodies too.
Are you saying Rice/Western's players are too little to clip/push people in the back? It's not like he got hit by some mass of humanity that only plays at the Bamas/USCs/LSUs of the world. A high school kid could have caused the same injury. It was a fluke.
IIRC he got wrecked pretty good
Playing nobodys is totally damned if you do damned if you don't. We get upset when we play someone that is not good because of a variety of reasons, including the fact that it doesnt prepare us for MSU, Ohio, Bowl games. Now we get upset when we schedule a top matchup because we were beat by the best team in the country and defending national champs?
What is your proposal than? Play MAC schools and beat our chests while we are beating them by 4 touchdowns? Come on man. We scored more points than LSU did in both games against Alabama. We scored about a much as an SEC team did against Alabama. We were not the better team and we showed fight.
Do you really believe the injuries in the game are why we got embarassed?
ohhhh you baby
Whoever did this sucks.
I can't understand why devin brandon would put devin hoke in a situation like this. Fire all the devins!!
its dave's world. we just livin in it
Everyone bitches about playing cupcakes. We took a shot at the champs and got beat up. So it goes. I'll take this over $135 for a snoozer against EMU. Don't be a baby.
You would? Why? What is to gain from scheduling great teams? If you run the table in the Big Ten, you're probably going to get a shot at the title game regardless of who you play at the beginning of the year.
Playing on national tv, getting hammered, having your starting QB get dinged and your starting LT and corner on crutches is a good thing!!!
It's interesting to watch. This isn't a national championship team.
IIRC, this game was scheduled back when RR was struggling, but still considered a top shelf coach, who would be starting his 5th year and would have seniors that were HIS guys and a competitive, if not dominant team. They didn't draw this shit up last tuesday.
Whyy? So we can lose by three touchdowns the last game of the season instead of the first? I would hope that this experience helps the team realize where they are at, what they need to improve, and move in that direction. If you are a legitimate title contender it might make sense to shirk away from playing the best in your non-conference schedule, but I think its obvious that we aren't there yet. So how does the loss really hurt us? You really though this team was going 12-0? Even after tonight you think they have a decent shot at running the table?
Well, if you win, then there's a lot to gain. Can you imagine the insanity on the board if we would have won? Talk about a season and career-defining win for the Michigan football program. Recruiting, media hype, and all kinds of hooplah. Yes, it sucks we lost. And it's difficult to see any benefits of this game after such a rough defeat, but there are some major potential rewards for scheduling games like these.
I want to play this type of high competition every year. I don't want to be Wisconsin; the Rose Bowl isn't good enough. We, as fans, should want national championships. With this schedule, we challenged ourselves and tested our abilities. So what-we failed. Next time, we won't. National championships matter-Rose Bowls are second place
now we know how far we have to go to be an elite team. I hope this loss sticks in Hoke's mind for a long time
Weren't you all in favor of scheduling great teams instead of cupcakes anyways ???
For another great topic, who's everybody voting for in November???
Who's up for a friendly debate about religion?
The Blue Team, of course!!
Actually, it was a great idea.
Damn, it was even for a while, but the negs have pulled ahead.
1. There was 0 expectation that we were actually going to win this game.
2. It was at the beginning of the season. By October/November, in the thick of the B1G race, it will be forgotten.
If we had won, the reward would have been huge. But there is little risk in losing this game. The right decision was made, even though we were thoroughly destroyed.
Little risk? Being embarassed on a national stage when youre trying to build a program is not "little risk."
So do what then, sit at home and play no one? Move down to the MAC?
Honestly the focus of this game for the next week is going to be: Alabama is still Alabama. Not Michigan is terrible. And then in a few weeks when Michigan starts playing conference foes no one is going to think about it.
I would have rather played a MAC team and not have taken a beating on NTV, had my QB embarrassed, and my LT and Corner end up on crutches.
Yes, I would have preferred a "cupcake", but that is just my opinion.
This is the problem with Michigan fans. Man up, and take an ass-whooping because you aren't good enough. We shouldn't be playing gimme-games. Western Michigan is a win, but doesn't prove anything. Playing good teams and shooting for the national championship is all that matters. Big Ten championships are nice but I'd rather be in the national championship game.
It was scheduled to take place during year 5 of the Rich Rod experience.
Are we really going to be the type of fan base that loses a game and then blames the refs/over signing and even our own AD for scheduling a tough opponent?? They were better, we lost. It happens.
Tell that to Countess and Lewan.
Honestly I was a bit shocked at how Alabama just manhandled the entire team. Michigan may be a decent team again, but we're nowhere near a top 10 team. Not even close.
Eh....I think we're a Top Ten team. Look at the rest of the Top Ten, outside of LSU, USC, and maybe Oklahoma, there's not a single team I don't think we can't beat.
With the exception of losing your starting corner, possibly your best offensive lineman, not to mention your star qb is quite banged up too. Other than that.......no risk at all!
All three of those could have occurred at practice or playing Ann Arbor Huron.
didn't Lewan and Countess get injured every day in practice so far ??? /s
Sorry OMG, but absolutely no logic to your post.
Did I imagine Kaleb Ringer and Chris Bryant's season ending injuries?
Injuries happen. None of the injuries that occurred today were because we played Alabama rather than Western Michigan.
Did you know that Toussaint missed the Notre Dame game last year with an injury? We didn't play Alabama the week before the Notre Dame game. We played Western Michigan. Injuries suck. Shit happens.
Injuries are flukes. Playing a different team is not going to increase the risk of a player getting injured.
The decision to schedule this game was great, but there is absolutely risk involved. Losing like this in primetime affects recruiting in a variety of ways.
If you want to be the best you need to play the best to see where you are as a team/program. Obviously we are 2 years or so away from being on Alabama's level.
We're more than 2 years away from being on 'bamas level. They dominated us top to bottom.
So now we know how good we are. We got destroyed and now it is over. Good competition every year only benefits us because we can measure ourselves against the best. Do we want to be the best in the league, or the best in the nation? I'm sure we all want the latter. I applaud the Athletic Department for this schedule. Although I am disappointed, I have hope that the future will bring us completely back into the national picture. Go Blue!
should be shot... That is all
If RR was still here we would've scored at least 40 (and given up 80).
no depth with skill/experience which Bama had in spades.
PS. Wish you were here Dee! Good luck watching TJ from the bench for several years!
And Denard would be out for the season.
Alabama is a great team. Give them credit. Still think UM has great things ahead. In the words of Rick Flair "if want to be the man, you got to beat the man.". We're not going to beat them if we don't schedule them.
Craig Roh, Senior 4 year starter didn't make one tackle.
and invisible. No presence, no physicality and the Linebackers weren't any better.
LBs were really bad. Mattison may want to answer that text from Levenberry...
If you play 4 cupcakes to start the season and run the table in the Big ten, you're in the title game most likely. That's how the SEC does it. I see no advantage to scheduling teams like this.
Are you calling UM a cupcake?
They played like one tonight.
It's 2012. Do you really think that the Pac-12's leaders' goal is the Rose Bowl? Conference titles? Hell no! For Oregon and USC, it is NC game or bust. It is not 1980 anymore-we want NATIONAL championships, not just Big Ten championships. If this program wants to gain national respect, we will aim for the national goals. I truly do hope that we stop these "old" Rose Bowl goals and aim for the stuff that really matters.
GO PLAY TENNIS OR SOCCER!!
tell me how great Rawls is I'm going to scream.
We lost our All-Big Ten caliber CB probably for the year, and our All-American LT candidate and high NFL draft pick is probably hurt and will at best be hobbled most of the year. Not to mention DR took his Rich Rodriguez offense lumps and he clearly is no better of a passer than he ever has been.
Al Borges is still as stubborn and stupid with play calling as ever, yes give me 2nd and long Denard under center all year long plzzz morz.
I blame the Orca's.
No, no, no. Clearly the Llamas are to blame.
ever been cloven-hoove-stomped?
I don't know why we don't just drop to the FCS. We'd dominate. Then we'd all be happy as pigs in shit.
well, based on how the B10 looked, i'd say we're about there.
I'd rather get blown out and learn something about the team than to play against a team that we're favored by 50+ and think we're unbeatable. Everyone on that team right now is pissed, but they're better for it. USC isn't better for railing Hawaii. OKSt isn't better for pwning Savannah St. We may have gotten our asses kicked but we are still undefeated in the B1G and know what we have to improve on.
Well said sir!
And started to focus on the B10 which we won most years (Damn you Hayden Fry!).
This sucks but I think we learned a lot and faced a better D and (probably) better O than we will all year until a bowl game. Hopefully the injuries are not significant --Why play your starter from a depth-weak position on special teams! -- and we are humbled and build from here.
I think the MSU. OSU, and UNL O lines are cake compared to what we faced tonight.
As long as we beat Sparty and Ohio and go 9-3 this year I am happy.
PS - Bubble Screens!!! + Why U no run Denard?
You know, the options for a season opener aren't limited to either the defending national champion or a cupcake.
The team DID NOT perform.
Nor did the coaches; horrible O-gameplan; terrible D-execution.
I Hoke for better in the games to come.
he played like crap and what the hell is up with his preparation and playcalling. Brandon was whoefully unprepared for a game he knew was coming for years.
This game was scheduled before Dave took over,and I LIKE the idea of playing top competition.. This is Michigan , fuck..
Check your facts: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101410aaa.html
It was set up in 2010
Thank Bill Martin jack wagon. This was scheduled before Dave took over. Fucking Sail boat willy.
How would you feel if we weren't rebuilding and rich rod was still here? Yes, we are rebuilding and the timing was right to have this game because we have a measuring stick of how far we have to go before we are competitive on a national level. Go Blue!
But this is 1 Litmus test failed.
I don't know who scheduled this game - it may have been Martin - but look, if you want to be a national championship program, you're going to have to play top-notch competition eventually. I find the idea that this is "bad for the brand" because we got blown out to be backwards. Recruits want to play in big games. Sure, this one didn't go the way we wanted, but hey, we're not afraid to give it a try. No one's going to decommit because of this.
You whining bitches need to check yourselves for a pair. Michigan got beat by a team that will be playing for the NC and won it last year. You little cowards whining about injuries like they wouldn't have happened had we played a lesser team. STFU! You want to beat the best, you've got to play against the best. Step up to the plate, put the peg in the ground, whatever metaphor you choose.
The only reason why I didn't want to play Bama was because is didn't want to see a portion of our fanbase turn into whining bitches when we got our asses kicked. Getting thumped by better teams makes your team better. Sure, it stings, and it's not what we'd like to see. But act like a fucking man, not a bitch before you get slapped like one.
Agreed. It is time to step up, like a man, and play opponents that make us better. We are handicapped playing in the Big Ten. It is a good conference and I am proud of it, but, we need a serious, national, challenge outside of it. I'm proud that we played Alabama. Although it was ugly and exploited our weaknesses, we at least took a risk and played them. This is the first step in becoming the national power that we want to be.
Love a good angry Sten Carlson post!
... those who upvoted should hold their manhood cheap.
Misogynist? Surely you jest CO Blue! First, bitch slap is merely an expression used for dramatic effect. Secondly, I only condone bitch slapping MEN who transform into whining bitches after to the best team in the nation. I'd never hit a woman, but I'd shake the shit out of her.
CO, stop being such an oversensitive PC ninny will you please. It's not very becoming of Michigan Man.
i can't fathom pinning this loss on the athletic director. the loss hurts and we looked bad. i'll still take this game over emu, wmu, toledo, utah.
you don't get better playing cupcakes. i'll gladly take the loss in exchange for playing one of the best pro teams in the country in a virtual away game. i'll take my lumps. i'll be better for it.
i once coached a youth hockey team. in the first game of the season we got crushed by a much bigger, faster and more experienced team. not even close. we didn't know what hit us. the last game of the season, they were still bigger and faster, but we lost a close game by a goal and we were in the game the whole way.
the kids remembered what it was like to get beat badly. they grew from it and were better for it. nobody whined or complained. we went out and worked to be better every single day. i couldn't have been more proud of my kids after that last game.
I LOVE the fact that Brandon had the balls to schedule this game. This is Michigan, and Michigan fears no team and real Michigan fans take this loss with their chin up and looking ahead. I think as much as anything, this was a barometer to see just how far they have to go before they are close to being a top program again. Nothing wrong with that. Last season was a charmed season with a lot of key games at home and very few major injuries. I think this team will be a better team and not win 11 games. Sorry they got beaten so badly, but for cying out loud, at least it was the defending national champion doing this and not MIssissippi fucking State.
I HATE the fact that he didn't go for a home and home series (Penn State did it, Ohio scheduled USC and Texas as home and home) ... Yeah ... there we are on national TV and unless we win the B1G there is NO F'ing way we'll get picked for a BCS game, even if we go 10-2.
You can't blame Dave Brandon for this. To be the best you have to play the best. Alabama is a great team and this game will pay off down the road when playing other Big Ten schools (as long as the injuries arent that serious.) Michigan could have played the best game of their lives and probably would have still lost. Alabama is just the better team at this point. The most important thing is that they learn from this and bounce back. We will be fine and improve. If we get another shot at Bama the results will be very different. Go Blue!
Ummm denard will be limited next week. If not weeks cuz of the actual hard hitting fb being played. Are wr's are miserably bad against press. We have no fortitude nor strength. We got pancaked left and right, even the wr and punt gunners were getting spanked left and right. Lewan is out for the year with an acl tear, and our LB's are horrible against anything power a gap or outside zone. Check, we got this... Let the bubble burst y'all! The honey money is over.
27 years a fan, 8 years as an alum, and my head and mouth is fully planted in a dark cave with stitches in my lips. Y'all should do the same until we can get athletes on the field that can even compete with the sec; hell even MSU and Nebraska, let alone Ohio. Did we watch this weekend?!?! Fuck me, we are in for years of this shit!
Seriously, rationally... We need five years to get to a point where Bama is. Do we all realize that?!? I for one love the video game offense but, for this year, we cannot win in pro sets even 20% of the time. Borges has got to get off it and stay in spread sets and hit underneath routes and middle crossing and or settle into zones with combo routes. Chuck and pray offense, we are fucked in a rr way circa 2008. Jsaying...
No one knows the extent of Lewans injury. Maybe they should hire you as offensive coordinator, seems like you have it all figured out. There's 2 ways you can go after getting the shit kicked out of you, you can either feel sorry for yourself and fold for the rest of the season or you can put it in your rear view mirror, learn from it and look onto next week. You learn more from getting beat than you do by blowing a team out by 50. Denard took one hard hit (and he delivered it) he has a full week to recover. You as a fan can give up and fold, but looking at the coaches and leaders of the team they will recover and bounce back.
Sorry he didn't schedule mighty savannah state, miami university or northern iowa.
Give me a break.
You think ANY team in this conference would even hang with alabama? wisconsin, the conference champion last year STRUGGLED WITH NORTHERN IOWA.
yeah why would we schedule a primetime game after an 11-2 season including a Sugar Bowl win??
They didn't schedule this in the off season. It was scheduled 2 years ago.
There was definitely some wow factor for me tonight:
1. WOW, Alabama's good.
2. WOW, I wish our depth at running back was half of what Alabama's is.
3. WOW, does the person carrying the ball for Alabama even feel the first 2 or 3 UM defenders that hit him?
4. WOW, the defense totally teased tonight with that performance on Alabama's first offensive possession.
Play top teams like Alabama shows how we stack up against the top teams in the country, we will not play another team like Bama the rest of the season. Hope the team can grow and improve from this lose.
Shut up man
This is preposterous. I am no Brandon fan, but if you want real games rather than four patsies out of conference, you have to take it when you get your ass kicked. It happened.
YOU stop whining
But seriously... everybody needs to stop whining.
Good competition will only make them better. Alabama is just better if we played them 10 times we would lose 10 times. Even the backups were better. Michigan needs to recruit for 5 years like we have for the last 2.
A lot of the same folks here who picked us to win or at least be competitive in that game are now questioning why it was scheduled two years ago, like we should have known then we'd get rolled.
We're Michigan. Success and failure is on a big stage. Sparty got rolled worse by an Alabama team that didn't even win it's conference, and this was when Dantonio had his guys in place. But it happened at 11:00am on New Years' Day with 10 other games getting equal or more attention.
Hoke's first full recruiting class was freshman and we're playing a national title team. Our losses and victories always get magnified. You get stomped on occasion, don't care who you are.