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It's unbelievable how our staff rolled over and died. I am sick to my stomach right now. This game is completely on the coaches. They didn't put their players in a position to win this football game. And don't delete this thread, beacuse Brady Hoke will be the first one to tell you the same thing I just did.
"beacuse Brady Hoke will be the first one to tell you the same thing I just did"
Wouldn't that just make it redundant? Come on people, I'm up for some epic flaming out but there's no reason we can't be concise here
Stop.
Denard was hurt a lot worse than we were told.
Doesn't matter. We all knew it was going to be a run with him at QB. Aaaaaggggghhhhh!!!!! Borges. Aggghhhhhhhh
Denard was hurt a lot worse than we were told.
He shouldn't have been out there then.
Really? Did you watch? He was the only player who did anything on offense. Not his fault he was lined up at QB on plays that everyone knew were going to be QB runs.
Mattison is undoubtedly an evil genius unmatched by any other so it's not the whole staff
Borges' playcalling certainly did not 'put us in a position to win' though. I do feel like we went 3-and-out with the same 3 plays in the first few drives in the 2nd half.
This one is all on Big Al. Defense was solid, holding them to two field goals in the second half despite constantly being put in bad positions.
In the second half...not so much in the first half. Offense played well in the first half and really sucked in the second half. Our offensive line was not very good this year. Today they forgot how to pass block. Never could run block.
They shriveled up big time. The second half was awful. Mattison has been awesome and did an amazing job today. Borges and Hoke were terrible in the second half. They blew it for the seniors. I'm not totally on the fire Borges bandwagon, but I wouldn't be against it. It's hard to defend him after today.
I thought the coaching staff did well besides Borges. Mattison made his adjustments.
He gets paid 3 Million dollars a year to stand around looking cold and stupid with no sleeves. And no headset.
If you were to date a girl who was married 5 times in 12 years would you keep dating her? FUCK NO! So my point is why hire a man who has had 5 offensive coordinating jobs in like 10 years??!! He's a dunce.
Some of you are unbelievable. It is a loss to a good football team in a rivalry game on the road. Could they have played better? Sure. Could they have coached better? I'm sure they would the coaches would admit to it.
I think after every loss we should fire a coach or cut a player because that is rational. ////ssss
I know I will get flamed but some of you need to grow up.
Great point
i don't think borges needs to be fired but he should be smart enough to realize what works for his personnel vs. what doesn't.
I agree and I am not a Borges apologist. His play calling did not work at all in the second half but people need to chill out a bit. Its not like we have loads of talent at the skill positions. This is not a knock on any player but we are pretty thin on elite talent. Hoke has had one full recruiting class. It takes time.
We would have won this game easily if Denard and Devin were in at the same time. No excuses Borges. So frustrating. I shouldn't know what play we're going to call from my couch.
If you think the hatred for Al Borges' incompetancy stems solely from the criteria you mention above, you're missing the mark. Today exemplifies a long line of grievances. It does not define it.
that offensive calling cost us some big games this year. If someone isn't doing a good job, then should they keep doing the job?
that offensive calling cost us some big games this year. If someone isn't doing a good job, then should they keep doing the job?
I think that everybody doesnt feel that way becasue with the way the defence played, we should have won. If Borges stays on course with simuilar play calling in the first half we would have scored at least one touchdown.
A great or bad coaching staff makes all the difference in the world. Don't you think Michigan deserves to have one of the best if not THE best staff in the country? Lord knows they can afford it.
Look at our defensive turn around after Mattison took over, Look at the 49ers after Harbaughs staff took over and look at Ohio after Meyer took over. Bill o' Brien took Paternos 3rd and 4th stringers and turned them into a better football team than they where last year. So yes i believe coaching staffs should have a short leash. If they prove they can do great things then by all means let the leash out but if they prove to be inept then get someone in to do a better job.
Thanks to Hoke and Mattison for a great season. If it weren't for them we'd be 5-9 instead of 8-4 this year. Air Force, Sparty, and Northwestern would've edged us without great defense to hold and keep us in those close games. Of course if it weren't for Borges dicking around and wasting entire drives, quarters, halves, games, and maybe wasting this entire fucking season team 133 could've easily been 11-1 this year too. So Notre Dame, Nebraksa, and Ohio thank you Al. Fucking thank you so very fucking much. Fuck!
Not that I don't agree with the sentiment, but how is it that we would have played two more games if Hoke and Mattison weren't around?
+1 Nice catch. I'm just mad and drunk and I added 5-9 in at the last second. We correctly would have been 5-7 were it not for their efforts.
Is the only reason Borges is still around... That was complete shit. And shame on the execution. 4 turnovers wasn't going to get it done... Feel especially bad for the seniors on defense who played their asses off in the second half.
Al Borges just called another run up the middle.
Borges put together one of the most creative gameplans i've ever seen. It was beautiful for a game and a half. Not sure what transpired here at the end.
that said though... no great team should be incapable of running for one yard the way we were today. Thats not coaching. It is never one person.
Gave up 20 points and a lot of yards. The d line was getting blown up.
Played really well considering they played the entire second half. Magnus 3 years ago called for Smith never to carry the ball on third down. He did it twice in a row and lost 4 yards
Borges' kindergarten granddaughter could have called better offense in the second half. To those who say we're overreacting after one loss, it's not the first time Al has lost us a game.
Again. If Borges was any good, he would have been offered a HC job at some point.
then there wasn't much to do in terms of personnel and this is a lot of nosebleed about play-calling. If he was able to go, though, then Borges was not able to tell that Denard is better than Rawls/Smith, which is pretty hard to do. He essentially benched the most prolific offensive player in Michigan football history in the fourth quarter of the Game when he was down one score. If that is the case, pretty hard to excuse it. And, difficult to understand why Hoke cannot overrule that call.
Al Borges = GERG
FIRE BORGES!!!! I am not being overly emotional I have been saying it since Iowa last year. He is the weak link who cost us ANOTHER game.
the press tears Borges and his smugness a new asshole!
why no FLY look with Denard, how about them both in at the same time? no designed DG Runs?
I dont mind losing when you get beat, but i hate losing when you beat yourself.
Denard deserved better
Playcalling aside, there is no excuse for not utilizing the tools you have available. With the most electrifying player in college football rushing for over a hundred yards in the first half, Borges' adjustment is to take him out of the game. With a quarterback who has done nothing but win offensive weekly awards since starting out of the blue, you decide to run it up the gut non-stop for an entire half, not making it past the 50 yard line the entire time.
This is not about Borges "not having the tools". It's about him not having the expertise to use them. Find somebody who does. Or, at the very least, can learn how. That is the hallmark of a good OC.
the end of the 1st half. Denard breaking a sandwich tackle bailed out some poor clock management and questionable play calling.
Every single Michigan fan from age 4 to 94 all over this country knew that we had to have Devin and Denard on the field at the same time and yet that fact somehow eluded Borges. Even if Denard was hurt so badly that he couldn't come in, I'd wager a tidy sum that anyone on the board could have called a better fucking game than Borges. Run between the tackles for no yards, like, a thousand times? Really?! Has that EVER worked in, oh, that last 15 fucking years?
I hate Ohio SO much and we totally could have beat them and everyone would be happy and there would be muppets. Now there's just misery and despair as we slide into a long, cold, dark winter. FML.
It's even worse than that. He did use it, and it was incredibly successful, then he abandoned it in the second half, and the offense lost all effectiveness. We didn't cross midfield in the entire 3rd quarter. So in the 4th quarter instead of going back to what was so effective, he just sticks with the hapless gameplan. He used it, saw how well it worked, then threw it away to lose instead.
The Borges press conference is gonig to be interesting to say the least. If he even TRIES to justify all those runs up the middle, I'm going to bash my head into the wall.
Ohio had some of the worst tackling and most yards after contact in the country, and a great interior defense. We had a horrible interior offensive line, and a bunch of experienced, fast, elusive, spread personel. So what do we do? Run it up the gut over, and over, and over, and over again. Many times without a passer even on the field! It hasn't worked against anybody all fucking year! This isn't difficult. If something never works, then you try something that likely will. You certainly don't keep trying the same negative yardage play over and over again.
When you can't run the ball, play action passes are not going to work. Meaningless. Denard not on the field at the end in some capacity is total mind-boggling.
One thing is for sure: the honeymoon is over for this staff. They are now subject to the same brutal fan scrutiny as RR and late-era Carr. Hoke won't let Borges go after this year, but if Borges coaches like this next year, the heat will start to work its way up toward Brady.
Hoke and crew are here to stay. Second year, rivalry game, on the road, too many turnovers, undefeated Ohio, lost by 5? I'm pissed, but all is trending up, offense, defense, special teams. Yes we lost, but we are not lost.
Unless we wish to gauge things by hopes and dreams (Borges plus a junior Shane Morris will be great!), the offense is not trending up. We have steadily and significantly declined from 2010 to 2011 to 2012 on offense -- be it total yards, first downs, etc. Al Borges might be more entertaining at press conferences than Greg Robinson, but his effect on the offense is similar to Gerg's on defense -- steady and significant regression.
Hoke and Borges should know that you have to play to win against OSU. With the "up the middle" runs and very little of Devin and DRob in the game simultaneously. Urban Meyer had to be smiling. We served it up on a plate for them in the 2nd half. Hoke better wise up, or he will be out. I love the guy, but that performance in the 2nd half was not Michigan.
some of our fans.
RT @dymonte1 Before the game :Michigan >> Ohio. And after the game: Michigan >> ohio. So stop texting me and telling me to change my mind.
— Tom VanHaaren (@TomVH) November 24, 2012
That is a mature young man. He is also a beast on the field. He is going to be a good one.
Truth.
And fans call out recruits for being fickle, and acting like children.
Sometimes our fan base is downright embarrassing. The level of "Sparty-ness" on the board right now is off the charts.
I wasn't particularly thrilled about the 2nd-half playcalling either. But if we take the long view of things, we played an 11-0 team on the road and lost the turnover battle, were pretty clearly dominated at the line of scrimmage, and lost by five. It couldn't have been that bad of a gameplan.
We had chances. Schofield's holding penalty, Gardner's failure to scramble on the subsequent 1st and 20 and then the D giving up a 3rd and 7 on the ground - if we make the right play any of those three we may have won.
4.5 points. Ohio margin of victory: 5 points. Coincidence?
Im sure Borges threw the game... Jeez
Out coached again, while they look like stupid fucks standing there.
Cannot recruit a 5 star WR or rb either.
Mattison had a monster game in my mind. The Ohio State offense was in Michigan territory the entire second half and was held to two field goals. Borges, did not have a good game, but I don't know if it was as terrible as it looked. Ohio State's D made some adjustments and really stepped up. An athletic D played well at home in a rivalry game. It happens. Either way, I expect Michigan to be very good next year. Gardner is obviously your go forward QB and he will only get better. The D will be good with Mattison. The future is bright in Ann Arbor and Columbus. Congrats on a good game.
So you didn't know it was a run every time Denard was in at QB? Got it. You should feel lucky you can't go to a bowl bc of your decade of cheating. You'd get rolled just like you always do
