Calling college athletes shitheads is out of line
Thaddeus Gibson Says OSU players knew selling items was against rule
People on here have called players names that are way worse than that, not out of line at all
I can't follow your logic. Are you saying that because someone, somewhere has said or done worse things to a student athlete that anything that falls below that threshold is ok? If so, that's beyond idiotic.
For the record, I didn't neg you
because i negged you
And don't call me an idiot, that hurts my feelings.
I was going to input a very witty comment and picture, but embedding in this comment field is above my level of (knowledge + effort)/laziness so you'll have to make do without it. AND LIKE IT
I didn't call you an idiot, I said your reasoning was idiotic. It's a subtle difference, but if you go back and, you know, actually read what I said, you might be able to pick up on it.
If I were you I'd spend more time on MLive. Reading comprehension and the ability to add anything meaningful to the discussion aren't as important over there.
Everyone insults people, sells rings, sells to you, sells to me, whatever.
I'll agree that "shit head" is a bit much, but are we only allowed to call people in the working world a shit head? He has a a right to his opinion, and the fact that the people in question are college students should have no bearing. Maurice Clarett was a shit head in college.
I regularly use harsh terms to describe members of rival teams. What fun are sports if we have to watch our language? I'm pretty sure those guys hear worse on the sidelines of away games.
I guess calling anyone a shithead, especially someone who has never done anything to you personally, or to anyone else for that matter, is inappropriate. Lets keep in mind that opposing players are still human beings, regardless of the fact that they play for that school down south.
Don't get me wrong, I don't totally disagree with you. It's a bit of a stretch to call someone a derogatory name when you don't actually know them. We just can't go around policing peoples' opinions because we disagree with them. If he wants to think Pryor's a shit head, let him. That type of anger may lead to problems down the road.
Is a shithead.
Also, I wipe my ass with TP.
Clarett wasn't a shithead. I think Maurice had significant emotional and mental health issues off the field, as seen in his post-OSU spiral. There was a lot of speculation around Columbus that Maurice was bipolar or schizophrenic when he got arrested, and I know the judge hearing the case was concerned enough to order a mental health evaluation.
Pryor, on the other hand, doesn't have any issues beyond a huge ego and a lack of ethics. He's a shithead. Clarett isn't.
My dad called me a shit head when I was in college once... I knew that dude was out of line...
Pryor is shithead, not because he plays for our rival, not because he says some stupid things and not because he isn't the most mature college athlete there is. He is a shithead because by selling his B10 Championship Ring and Gold Pants he pissed over the tradition of (I hate to admit) a historically great program, as well as the M-OSU rivalry. Do you know how many players work their asses off every day just to get a chance to win a B10 championship? His ring meant that little to him? And the gold pants, something that he should treasure as it represents a win over OSU's most hated rival - sold like an old textbook.
Sorry, this guy is a shithead. He is all about TP and not about the team. He looks at OSU as nothing more than a potential stepping stone to the NFL.
the best thing I have ever read. Seriously, this deserves a +100 way more than snarky and witty comebacks, but oh well.
Really, this is true. Calling someone a shithead for dropping a pass is the wrong way to do it. That's a think-of-the-children-they're-people-too moment. But pawning off the ring that other people work all their life to get, that we would kill to have earned on our fingers, that makes one a shithead who deserves no place in Big Ten lore. Let it be remembered if there is ever a piece on TP as a B10 "great" or anything of the sort.
I completely agreed with you. I never thought Pryor was a great leader, but I didn't think he was this stupid.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if, behind the scenes, Tressel makes it clear to these guys that they shouldn't come back next year, or at least that their lives will be a living hell if they return. Tress really does emphasize tradition and he doesn't take the pants or rings lightly. When he found out that the 1942 team never got rings because of the war, he bought all the surviving members rings identical to the 2002 team, but with 1942 and their names and jersey numbers on it. He paid for it with his championship bonus. I can't imagine his reaction when he heard about this crap.
Pryor extended the charade of his recruitment I said on this blog that he would later in his career demonstrate problems with decision making and judgment. That entry cost me a good many MGOBLOG points.
Well...I rest my case.
TP is all about TP.
....they are ohio state..and the guy did screw us over for at least 2 seasons of losing..and they are ohio state...
Not when those "student" athletes actually did something shit-headedy
when he said this country is full of wusses.
They figured they wouldn't be caught. Just like any other criminals.
Interesting for Gibson to come out with this...One might ask Tressel and tUofOSU about the view from under that bus...
If Dez Bryant lost almost a whole season for lying to the NCAA, what does tOSU AD get?
He says he didn't know he was lying.
It was his dad's fault.
A pay raise, a tattoo and some gold pants.
Your Lucy Liu avatar caused me to Google Images her. My Human Resources person walked directly behind my desk during said search. Thanks a lot guy.
LOL!!! I'm sorry. Tell the HR guy to look her up. I'm sure he'll enjoy her too!
What's wrong with that? It's all about Alumni Networking!
That it is. And that is one alum I'd like to network with!! :)
OSU does a series of classes and workshops on compliance for their athletes. It's not like they just hand them the rulebook and say "Here you go, don't break any of these rules." At the time they sold the items, they hadn't had the class on "Don't sell Big 10 championship rings, gold pants etc." My guess is the compliance department thought no one would be stupid enough to do that, and wanted to cover more common violations like boosters and jobs and stuff first.
When they were given the lecture on selling rings and things, OSU's compliance staff asked the players if they'd violated the rule. Pryor et al lied and said they hadn't. That's why it's a five game suspension instead of a four game suspension.
Well that is about surprising as me waking up this morning and saying the Earth is round.
BTW...The Earth IS round!
Is a grad level class at tOSU.
I believe you're referring to GeoSci 544: Our Flat Planet.
I thought the flat earth course was 344, an undergrad course. Round earth is too advanced for the undergrads.
Again my bad for miss reading the course catalog.
Does she teach the class?
At the pace that you keep unleashing your atomic bombs, the earth is going to soon be flat.
This must be sarcasm at its finest. Everybody on this here blog knows that tOSU promotes an upstanding atmosphere of compliance. DUH...
Does Ohio State have a compliance officer who explains the ins and outs of filing police reports and the importance of not falsefying said reports?
OSU has one of the LARGEST complicance offices in the NCAA...I'd say yes the players knew but its ok 20 minutes of extra practice is worse than selling items to go out and show your girl a good time...or your bros!
To he highest bidder. And how was this different than the Ed Martin thing I'll never will understand it.
LARGEST compliance office in NCAA....great pick up Talcelm
Insists that Tressel will let guys play in bowl game if they commit to coming back next year. Not sure how he can enforce this, but Posey already said he is back. The other 4 have remained silent. If you don't see Pryor on the field against Arkansas, that is why.
...he'd best be served getting that in writing. I can just hear it, "I promise, Coach, I'll come back if you just let me play in this one game. You can trust me, I have never done anything objectionable before. Well, except sell awards and gifts for cash. But I did it for my family; they needed the money." Yeah, not buying it (pun intended).
BTW...I am digging your login name. Kolesar in one of my all-time favorites. I was at the 1988 game at OSU when he saved a win with his kick return and long TD catch. What a day!
Heard that too (probably same insider). He can't enforce it, but I'm not sure he's someone you want to cross (especially if you live in Ohio).
Posey did declare in his apology today that he's staying. Interesting choice, if he is to be believed.
I may have missed something from the beginning, but was it OSU's compliance office that brought this to light, or was it from another source, and the NCAA found out that way?
OSU brought it to light and suspended the players for the Sugar Bowl. The NCAA, in their wisdom, ruled the players eligible and ruled the players ineligible for the first 5 games of next year. Yes, the NCAA is really that stupid.
With self-reported secondary violations.
But it was the U.S. Attorney's Office in Columbus, which brought it to the attention of the OSU Athletic Department before that.
If it were up to me, as King of the NCAA which of course I deserve to be, I'd have accepted Gene Smith's proposed punishment as being the just and right thing to do. Punishment fits the crime.
But the reason that the NCAA did what it did was because it was following its own rules and precedents, not just making up [new] dumb ideas as it went along.
The NCAA said essentially; Four games is what we've established as punishment for football players selling their swag while still eligible. It is the same penalty that we have imposed on other players, from other teams, in other situations; four games
And then the NCAA said; And we are adding a one-game bonus penalty because these guys didn't really come clean, as quickly and as thoroughly as they should have. And that too is our standard enhancement when we see that it is warranted.
And to cap it all off, the NCAA said; We really don't like to impose penalties on any teams shortly before heading into bowl games, playoffs, or other championship matches, and so we are not going to impose anything on these guys until the start of the next regular season.
So there is method to the NCAA's madness in this case. That's the problem. There is always method to the NCAA's madness. They are long on method. And madness.
I missed why the US Attorney in Columbus cared about this. Any help?
Apparently (AFAIK) prosecuting someone who had this memoriabilia (the tattoo guy?).
Thanks, I fail to see the relevance. The players are adults, I'd think the US Attorney would find them directly if they needed something. It's not like selling that stuff was illegal, just against NCAA rules.
Well, I think it was an IRS thing. I don't have all the details, but I imagine that determining why this guy had this stuff is why the USDA contacted the university. Who knows?
IRS used Columbus PD for part of the investigation/raid, and the Columbus PD informed the university.
There is no criminal investigation of any of the OSU kids over this.
What happened (I think) was that the IRS was conducting a semi-routine seizure operation at the tattoo parlor, or the home of the tattoo parlor owner, or a storage location. Not a search warrant, and not an investigation of players or the OSU team. They happened upon this stuff as part of that seizure operation. It is common that federal agents (FBI, U.S. Marshalls) are involved in seizure operations as the "muscle" and those boys love to write reports. They went up the chain of command in the FBI and the FBI guys love to hand stuff like this over to the U.S. Attorneys office. In this case, for the Southern District of Ohio. The U.S. Attorneys picked up the phone and called OSU's Athletic Department.
And by the way, it now seems to be confirmed that Jim Delany and the Big Ten weighed in on the side of letting the OSU kids play in the bowl game. I guess, that if you know that there are going to be suspensions, and the choice is for a bowl game or not, you'd choose "not."
It's a bit confusing, with Gene Smith saying that he wanted the kids suspended (only) for the bowl game, but then saying that if the kids have to sit for five games, then let them play in the bowl game.
Think how weak TP's stats will be next year without those OOC games to pad them.
It's not a lie if you believe it.
Too bad they're only worth 700 bucks to you. If you'd have only known you weren't supposed to sell them. Oh, wait...
Did you find that image on Ebay?
Here's the link. You might have to log in...item number 300507087519.
doesn't know this is against the rules? Seriously, are we to the point where these idiots have be told every single thing that IS against the rules or they'll think it's NOT against the rules? Dumb argument by OSU, dumb enforcement by NCAA, just dumb all the way around.
I don't see how they could not have known. They did essentially the exact same thing that got A.J. Green suspended at the beginning of the season.
Point of information: this occured in November of 2009. AJ Green sold his jersey around the same time (IIRC) and was suspended in August. The chronology of your argument is a bit backward.
Good point. Sorry.
Are you even a Michigan fan, or what?
/s (this one stands for "surprise that generally surrounds comments when a newbie sees a fan from another fanbase acting rationally and contributing positively")
Are you telling me that OSU players didn't know that they were not able to profit from selling their championship rings nor their other gear? They were completely surprised that this was prohibited by the NCAA?
Why wouldn't all NCAA players (in all sports) sell all of their gear if they didn't know about this? It's an easy couple of grand a year. I mean, people pay like $80 for a new hoodie, why not pay $80 for one worn by player X?
I have no idea what they thought. My mind reading abilities are limited to geese, squirrels, and Sparty fans. You know, lower primates.
It seems that recent grads are eating their young.
- perhaps other than portions of the OP - should just be deleted. One wonders how some posts survive and others get chopped quickly...
I am done defending Pryor, he is what he is. A talented, successful, yet frustrating and inconsistent prodigy. Never really unstoppable but never benign either. He has consistently embarrassed himself with his comments/actions off the field, and this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back. As the leader and figure head for the team, the fact that he allowed himself to get into this mess, his intentions (“helping his family”) noble or not, is inexcusable and selfish. I will always love him and appreciate what he has done for the university, but the Braxton Miller era can’t get here fast enough. I hope Pryor learns and grows from his mistakes, but I don’t want him back next year.
They had to know. I mean everyone knows.
He wanted so badly to help his family with money, and they were in such dire straits, and yet he decided to come back for his senior year? If he wants to make money to help them out, he could have turned pro at any time. That's kinda the point.
Something's not really meshing for me.
I agree, however he may have looked at it and thought "I wont make the top money unless I'm good enough, and I'm clearly not good enough now, so I have to come back so I can get good enough. I may need the NFL money right now, but I am not good enough to get it now, so I'll sell this stuff to hold me over, and make the big bucks when I develop enough in college."
Not saying that's what happened, but wouldn't be surprised if that was the thought process.
I have a strong feeling it was just "I can get $2,500 for this junk? Hells yes."
The whole "I'm not good enough" schtick doesn't really hold up considering his opinions that he'd "DOMINATE" in any system, anywhere, other than where he, you know, plays...
Good point lol.
It was one thing when Pryor's major issue was his lack of message discipline; he's a 21 year old college student, not a polished speaker. This crap, on the other hand, is unacceptable at The Ohio State University.
Is he saying that he never meant to get caught?
He sounds pretty forgivenessful.
...there's a first for everything. I predict sometime in the near future, after signing a pro contract we will hear the perfectly uttered phrase: "I plead innocent to all charges." Lawyer takes it from there.
I wouldn't really bark up the "generic college athlete uses incorrect grammar while speaking with the media" tree. Plenty of fodder exists everywhere for a huge pot-kettle argument.
Already stated, by Gene Smith, but "they didn't know *cough*CAM NEWTON*cough*" is going to be the backbone of their appeal. 400:1 says Thaddeus recants very soon.
Recants and issues a cease and desist order to ESPN saying he was taken outta context...only OSU!
The media in Columbus are such a bunch of sycophants that nobody will call BS on Smith. I'm just surprised the NCAA is falling for their excuse. I hope the NCAA decides to "go USC" on OSU. It would be nice to see them do a real investigation and somehow get around, through, or over the "scarlet wall" of lies, stonewalling, and excuses that any investigation of OSU usually encounters.
Why don't you head the investigation.
Don't tempt him. I'm just impressed he finally learned that the abbreviations for MSU and OSU do not include dollar signs.
Are far, far better at their jobs than any columists who work on college football in this state. (I exclude the fine reporter -- she is not a columnist -- Angelique Chengelis of the Detroit News.)
This is a sad day for the Big Ten and The Game in general. I hope everyone involved learns something from this.
Of course they knew it was illegal. The only people who thought otherwise was the NCAA. If the NCAA keeps this up they are in serious danger of becoming obsolete. Just another crack that people/corporations like Cuban and Nike can crawl into in order to change the status quo.
Really, how hard would it be to go to the top 5 / 6 divisions and consolidate it down to 4 mega conferences, do a conference playoff game and then do an 8 game playoff (4 winners plus 4 at large) and make a billion dollars to split between 64 teams (not 115)
Destruction of tradition
Locking underperforming teams out
Gibson clarifies remarks on Ohio State. He was referencing extra benefits not specifically selling items. It's all here:
He's back-peddling as fast as he can.
I think every college scholarship athlete in the country should sell a rule breaking item on Ebay, then see what the NC2A does about it. No games in any sport for a 5 game period, pure chaos.