That's ironic that you'd post this article
Thad Matta has no clue what ironic means
I mean, that's exactly like rain on your wedding day.
Rain on your wedding day would only be ironic if you were marrying Ra, the Egyptian sun god.
Conversion of Ironic by Alanis Morissette to actual irony:
Most situations quoted as ironic are actually "major bummers" or "coincidence" so I abandoned quoting irony a few years back. My life got boring so now I only speak in rhymes:
'No more rhymes now, I mean it!'
'Anybody want a peanut?'
In defense of Alanis Morissette, singing a song about irony where you list situations that are not ironic is, itself, ironic.
I'm sure that's actually what she was intending to do.
Alanis is DEEEEEEP, man...
John U. Bacon's lecture on "irony" and Alanis Morrisette was probably my favorite day of class at the University.
Thad's still upset that he met the man of his dreams, then met his beautiful wife.
It's far less hard-wearing and more prone to rust than galvanized irony, however.
You wanna talk about irony? I went in my kitchen this morning and found 10,000 spoons. All I needed was a knife.
my friend, Mr. Playitsafe, was afraid to fly...
but his plane crashed down :(
You really want irony? I know a guy who won the lottery...
He died the next day :(
And isn't it ironic...don't you think?
A little too ironic.
I really do think.
wow you guys are lame.
You must be new around here.
We used to quote Alanis like whoa. I thought about starting a new blog called www.MGoJaggedLittlePill.com
Yeah, some people get nostalgic for the Haloscan days....I get nostalgic for the Alanis days.
Just thinking about it, I'm sad, but I'm laughing.
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FML - someone smarter than me can fix this I guess.
of when someone asked you to convert your DVR'd Denard episode of Jeopardy into internet form and then post it on the board haha
rub shoulders with AAU runners/handlers to secure the highest number of one and doners in the last 6-7 years...so he's got that going for himself
It sounds like Matta gave Diebler some good advice, which he, Diebler, then did, in fact, take.
Wouldn't that make the exchange the opposite of ironic?
Don't you think?
...Princess Bride references in the same thread. I like it.
Ironically his name rhymes with, Mad Hatter.
Haha You just made my day by saying bazinga....
Thad WAS correct in his use of irony! It must mean that he expected his player to suck, and telling him "score more" was an attempt at a sarcastic joke. But the real irony in it all was the fact that his sucky player actually didn't suck!
Or something like that.
They are the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.
what college basketball recruiting is to "dirt, especially as it applies to sandwiches"?
Thad is quite the lad, in an ironic sort of way.
When in Rome...
Irony can be pretty ironic.
Its not Ironic its coincidental!
Thad Matta at Ohio State is lhe college basketball version of Being There. He likes to watch.
This is irony: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/27051252/detail.html
Good time to link to comedian Ed Byrne's awesome takedown of moaning cow Alanis Morisette:
Oddly enough, Thad Matta appears to be unfamiliar with the phrase "oddly enough", and when to deploy it.
and doesn't want to look foolish.
You're right. The "malapropism" part I hypothesized was "stretching" things. (Though I actually admitted that in that same post.)
But the point remains that a song entitled "Ironic" is perfectly ironically named if it carries zero lyrical irony. In that situation, "ironic" is apropos, then. Or, to reiterate this point in a third way, it is a good title (even the song itself is below average).
Maybe Alanis landed on that by mistake, who knows, but anyone who claims that the song is dumbly titled because they think the title is not ironic is not only flatly wrong but is either ignorant of or cognitively dissonant to the definition of irony. Well, I guess there's at least one more option: the person might also not recognize that a song with ironic lyrics with the title "Ironic" isn't so much ironic as it is "About Irony."
I think most people just think "irony" is interchangeable with the word "coincidentally", which of course it's not. But then if we get into a linguistics discussion, at what point does the actual meaning of the word change? What if 95% of the population uses the word to mean coincidentally? The meaning of words or phrases change all the time, and usually it's a result of a dwindling number of people who enforce the old (or correct you might say) meaning over time.
Words can change, and as we are the ones who get to write that big book full of their definitions (as opposed to the trees or rocks or platypi), "we" are surely the ones with the privilege to change them. Still, it seems there are rules for the changing of words.
For one, we recognize that any word can have for itself many connotations. For instance "the crown" can mean a circular golden do-dad, or it can connote the power of the king (metonyms; ditto: "gathering"[v.] and "gathering"[n.]). Also, "You're killing me" can either reflect a gruesome or a mildly annoying thing (litotes). And "the White House" can denote either a prettily designed home on Pennsylvania Ave. or the US Government itself (synecdoche: I think this is an example of that, at least).
For another: Words can change over time, but they do so in patterns. For instance, their change-in-definition (1) can often occur in multiple languages simultaneously and (2) follows a pattern of change in logic. Regarding #2, my favorite examples are the words "silly", "pathetic", and "gay." Silly used to mean "blessed", but since blessed folks own piety and pious folks own innocence and since sometimes examples of 'the innocent' are only examples of 'those too incompetent to know how to be any other way'...the word gained new meaning. Pathetic used to mean "one who feels" (greek: pathos) or "empathizes" or "is kind" but slowly got morphed into its uglier pejorative form because modern man (as in male human) found "feeling" to be beneath him and worth suppressing. "Gay" once meant thrilled and euphoric, but as euphoria can often be linked with indiscretion and hedonism and sin; so, did the word...and the rest is its history.
Anyway: With "irony", I don't see these kinds of patterns. Instead, I see a word being misused not because the society reading about the word is changing around it as much as because the society around the word isn't reading about it. If that makes any sense. I mean Dictionaries aren't exactly en vogue these days, I guess.
Still on "irony": I could be wrong about it's evolution, of course. Maybe it is not changing just because people are misusing it (like I've said here) and I'm just missing the forest for the trees. Wouldn't be the first time. Still,..I think what I think. And either way: maybe I represent a stodgy sect when it comes to words, but I like that sect's rules. And when it comes to rules about words, as is the case with rules about human art, though they might seem at face value to be constricting, they're just there to help give us a standard by which to communicate our mind's jumble of ideas with that other mind over there...and in that way are quite the opposite of constricting. Liberating and creativity-beckoning come to mind.