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Texas, Saban, coaching changes and recruiting
UTA Engineering >>>>>>> Bama Engineering
Hand follows Saban to UTA.
he'd have the same issues with UT's engineering program as ours. Depending on the major, he might have to do a 5th year to graduate with a BSE in engineering. Some, he can definately do in 4 with summer courses.
They all take summer classes when they're at UMich (worked with a walk on who did MECHENG). The biggest problem is really that they don't offer enough of the courses in the summer. You're left taking 3 courses in the spring and nothing in the summer as far as engineering clases go. And, on top of that, the fall is usually a 12 credit semester for them.
They offer a lot more summer courses now than they used to. Most of the core classes can be taken during the summer or spring semesters.
Here's the offering for this Spring "ME235, ME240, ME320, ME335, and ME481." Last "summer" semester there were no ME courses availible. There's no gurantee as to which will be offered. And these are only announced the October before. Makes long term planning quite the chore if you have the restriction of a light load in the Fall. This becomes much more of a challenge once you get into tech electives, because most of the interesting/challenging ones seem to be offered once a year at best. That is, if you actually care about which tech electives you're taking.
I'm not saying you'd be in school for ever, but it's not the easiest thing to chart out.
I was told only thermodynamics (ME235) and ME320 would be available this spring / summer by an advisor, are you sure this is for 2014? (Not being snarky, just wanted to know because I may try and take a few classes this summer)
That was an email I got on November 15th from the me-aso account. Here's the full text:
"Dear ME Students,
We hope your fall term is going well. The following ME courses will be offered this spring:
ME235, ME240, ME320, ME335, and ME481
Once days/times/rooms have been determined for the spring term, we will provide those further details. We hope this information is helpful as you schedule your Winter 2014 courses.
Have a good weekend!
Save 235 and 335 to take during a major semester, they were the least rigorous ME courses I've had. 320 and 240 would be nice to take in a spring semester together where you only have to focus on those two classes. You can throw on something frivolous like ECON 101/102 as a pass/fail to complete your 9 credit maximum.
It's been a long time since I was in school but I'd agree with that advice. This is especially true if Karnopp is still teaching 240. (He used to teach it, but only in the spring.)
Oh ok. Thanks to both of you!
I did EECS for undergrad ('13) and they started offering more courses each spring. Still, MechE, EECS, Aero, ChemE can all be pretty intense workloads even with "12" credits.
EE grad myself. 3 eecs classes would consume you.
I never thought 3 was too bad... I took 317/373/380 in one semester, and 401/470/478 in one semester.
Did you have a lot of AP credits?
Chemistry (lecture and lab) and tested out of my language requirement.
I think the trick is - if you're taking 3 EECS classes, they'd better be your only three "real" classes.
Oh... and if 427 is anything like when I took it - take NOTHING else time consuming with it.,
I was EECS and I loaded up with 17-18 credits several semesters, because i had to keep my falls lights (12-13) to be in the band.
Most of the time it was ok (tough but ok), but my Junior year I screwed up taking 18 hours and ended up with too much tough stuff all at once (E-Mag, Relatavistic Physics, some advanced circuit analysis class and others) and I just crashed and burned with a few weeks left in the semester. I was actually doing fine in all of the classes up to that point but I pretty much blew all of the finals because I just fell behind in every class and couldn't catch up.
I remember I was taking a music history class pass/fail that semester and I don't think I showed to it more that 6 times all semester. I'm incredibly lucky the prof didn't fail me, but I guess I was able to just barely eek out a C in the class and that was all I needed to pass.
If going to a highly regarded engineering school really was at the top of his list he wouldn't be going to Alabama.
This has been my argument the whole time.
Sure, but that doesn't mean having an engineering major available to him wasn't a big factor in picking between two top football programs though.
Our statements aren't mutually exclusive. My point is regarding him jumping ship to Texas simply because they're regarded as a better engineering school. And I still find your point hard to believe when Michigan was right there in the end despite telling him to not do engineering long ago.
You mean, "This thread is going to get out of Hand real fast."
So much pain. So very much pain.
and fun to watch, what transpires in the coming weeks.
Da'Shawn Hand is really the only "legitimate" option to flip to Michigan. The other guys Michigan offered who are committed to Alabama and Texas weren't really interested in Michigan in the first place. People might whisper about Bo Scarbrough looking around, but I don't see him considering Michigan.
On the positive side, Hand seems really interested in playing on the same team as Peppers. That could help if he does decide to open things up.
Though dollars to donuts Saban stays in Alabama - with a healthy raise.
I think he's already making 5.6 million dollars a year. I don't know how much more money can be doled out or if it's even about money.
I don't really think it's about the money anymore to Saban. It's about the ego and for that reason I think Texas is possible (although maybe not likely.) He can go "save" Texas and the Big 12.
Word is that another new contract with a pay raise has been sitting on Saban's desk since last Friday and Bama officials are starting to get uneasy. To further speculate, I thnik Smary takes over if Saban bolts, keeping pretty much the entire recruiting class intact.
This should be a clear sign to Da'Shawn that he needs a Sports Management degree!
I really doubt Hand would go to Texas.
I don't. Too many moving parts right now.
Someone tell Jabrill to get on the twitters once/if saban leaves. Hand was trying to convince Jabrill, now convince him back
Saban to Texas would be great because it would steal some power from the SEC and help debunk the myth that they are far and away the best conference. Also, DeShawn Hand.
Lastly, Dantonio would be a prime candidate for 'Bama. I know there's a lot of other candidates and he probably wouldn't leave, but he has to be on the list. Stranger things have happened with coaching.
What's the most compelling reason?
He doesn't want a roster well capable of winning a national championship.
He doesn't want his salary to more than double.
He doesn't want his assisstants getting big raises to follow him.
He doesn't want Narduzzi to get a shot at his current job.
I think all of your points could be refuted fairly easily, but your conclusion may be accurate.
Nick Saban, on the other hand, is widely renowned as a pleasant individual to be around:
I fail to see how someone who's been to two out of three B1G Championship games is not a "Michigan-level" coach. Everyone keeps talking about these "prime time" targets. Well, who are they? Nick Saban is the only assumed slam dunk out there and he, believe it or not, isn't a pancea. Who is doing so much better than Dantonio that isn't already at a first rate gig (Stanford, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, etc.)?
He may not be "Mr. Personality" but...
Did Urban recruit that well at Utah? There is the limitation that he's at Michigan State. I don't think Alabama would go after him, but it seems that no one wants to throw names out there as to who Alabama would turn to if Saban left in the hypothetical "Saban to Texas" scenario. I don't really see any slam dunk candidates. Which I guess leads me to believe it would end up being Kirby Smart.
Urban at Utah would be the point, not Urban from Florida to Ohio State. And Utah at that time to Florida would be a larger jump than Michigan State to anything else above them right now. Dantonio has been a recruiting upgrade over John L. Smith, even if you take the short sighted look at just star rankings. Do you think he hasn't maximized the ability of a head coach at Michigan State to recruit? Would Michigan State have to start out recruiting Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame to prove that he's worthy?
And Jim Tressel wasn't an Ohio State level coach, just a coach who had Ohio State history.
Good question regarding Hoke. Sadly I can't come up with a scenario where Hoke is better than 6th best in the B1G right now. I do expect a good bowl performance and things to turn around with a more experienced team and easy home schedule next season.
leave his buddy Izzo.
I don't know if a 57-yr old guy with recent heart problems and the personality of a stump is an obvious choice to replace Saban or Brown.
You think more of him than i do evidentally. This insults stumps everywhere.
I don't see Hand ending up at MIchigan. I believe his reasons for picking Bama were more than just engineering vs. sports management. I hope I'm wrong, but it's a moot point unless Saban leaves Alabama. Most likely, when Brown steps down from UT, the rest of the Big 12 teams will swoop down on his recruits like buzzards. Either way, that won't impact Michigan.
If Saban is the new coach, I don't think many kids will flee except those whom the new staff tell to hit the road.
Also straying from the reality that this has already been discussed a few more threads down.
I hope DEMAR DORSEY is somewhere on that yellow brick road.
Demar Dorsey signed with the Rattlers of the AFL a couple weeks ago.
I think we all need to move on from the Hand recruiting hope. He decided to go elsewhere and should Saban leave Alabama (I dont think there's anyway he will leave) I dont see Hand coming back to us. He either stays at Alabama or he moves with Saban.
The ship has sailed people. Time to let go.
As you would undoubtedly assume, Burnt Orange Nation is updating stories by the hour at this point as this Board Of Regents meeting tomorrow approches. Their coverage to date is well-summarized here - (LINK).
Of note, Brown does have to be in Austin for a 10 AM press conference regarding their bowl game against Oregon, but as they say in this article, it is almost a certainty very little of the questions will probably be about the game. According to their story, ESPN is also saying that - if anything happens - he wants to tell the players first, but Regents meeting isn't until later in the day, I would assume based on this.
They also talk about the growing discomfort that some Alabama officials apparently have with Saban still having failed to sign his extension.
Talk to The Hand all you want but he ain't coming back. We all know why he made his decision and when and it didn't have anything to do with Michigan's outstanding academics. This was purely a football choice. He ain't go to Alabama to play school.
This is the same source as before. It's pretty flimsy.
getting page not found on Yahoo site.
+1 for that!!!! I about died laughing! Lol
If I'm a Texas fan, I'd think I'd prefer Lovie to Saban. He is from Texas, has won at the highest levels, has 10+ years experience in the college ranks and is loved by his former players. Plus he doesn't come with the "shadiness" that surrounds Saban.
May be a big leap for the Texas fans and boosters. I see them as the last school in D1 to hire a coach of color.
Interesting. Never considered that angle. I had always thought of A&M being the more conservative school of that state. Maybe I was wrong. Was there any opposition to Sumlin's hiring?
Michigan football has never done so
If Texas misses on the big names reported on early. I would look at someone like Gary Pinkel. He knows the Big XII. Knows Texas recruiting and he has done a hell of a job with Missouri. I think Pinkel is a great plan B for UT if they miss on their superstar plan A guys.
I think Gundy will get a very serious look if they whiff on Saban.
Gary Pinkel is only like 6 months younger than Mack Brown.
Sounds like Texas could write him a blank check. He's put together a great team at Baylor, think of what he could do with the resources and tradition at UT.
I think he would definitely leave Baylor if it were for a job like Texas. He's a Texan through and through, and I have a hard time believing that something like the Longhorns gig wouldn't be a dream job for him.
How was Sabans record at MSU compared to Dantonios? HE did fine jumping to LSU and Bama.He locked down LA and Alabama for recruits there and will do that in Texas plus steal Les miles best guys. I still think Sabans gone to Texas there are just some guys that love to build and there are alot of idiots not happy with him at Bama because of this year. Dont forget the wife likes Texas also.
it will be for the pros. I still think he has something to prove to himself there. He can't do any better than he's done in college, and he may be sick of dealing with the 'bama freaks. Maybe Washington??? after Shanahan departs.
not for Texas. I think he's going to the NFL. Just can't see Saban sucking up to all the rich folk at Texas. He's too much of a total control freak and I think all the ass-kissin' he'd have to do to the boosters that pay him all that money would get in the way of coaching.
Austin is a sooo much better place than Tuscaloosa, but if Saban ain't happy there, he'll be less happy in Austin. He just isn't the cowboy boot lickin' type.
The only thing Saban hasn't accomplished is win in the NFL. He's competeitve ego-maniac. I think he sees Pete Carroll's success and Harbaugh's and wants to prove that he can win anywhere in any league. The NFL is the destination. My guess is Washington and it will happen at the end of the NFL regular season.
Shanahan will end upat Houston and the Texas job...not sure.
This makes the most since to me. Saban to the NFL, Gundy to UT.
there isn't a chance in hell Saban goes back to the NFL. He absolutely hated it last time. He can't recruit, which is what he does best, and he can't have complete and total control.