way out of line, yes. Whether or not you actually are ... well, I hope you are.
way out of line, yes. Whether or not you actually are ... well, I hope you are.
We shouldn't have to hide from reality to appease someone's sense of moral superiority. I would bet that much of the old money behind Texas is not happy about this. Texas is a racist state. Them's the facts.
Honestly, I don't know if that's even true. But I've heard it for a long time, hence the questioning. Maybe some Texans on the board could comment.
I know I've heard a ton of racism in Metro-Detroit bars about the Lions/Caldwell situation.
Not so fast my friend. Pat Forde reporting on twitter that Charlie Strong has yet to accept the position nor speak to his superiors at Louisville.
Even though it may not be official - if this is indeed going down - until Louisville's team meeting at 9 AM this morning, I still am not sure that I think this is enough to make Strong a bad fit. If anything, Texas probably needs someone who would rather work (in Strong's case, recruit, develop and do both well) with less such distractions, even if the folks in Austin can't stand it.
when it comes from Forde, usually doing the opposite is probably best.
Sort of a typical reaction from someone who got scooped, and doesn't really preclude the 24/7 report from being correct. That way when Forde hears that one or the other has happened, he can report it and act like he's the scooper and not the scoopee.
Wikipedia already has him listed as the head coach of Texas.
edit: not so fast - someone changed it back.
Is this the ONLY minority head coach at a top-20 college job? Texas, Bama, Ohio St, Mich, Florida, USC, Auburn, Oklahoma, LSU, Nebraska, ND...these aren't in any order, but this is going to be interesting.
No. Shaw at Stanford. Sumlin at Texas A&M.
Stanford has been good but I wouldn't consider it top-20 at the moment. Still, none of the other powerhouses. ND had one in the last ten years. Very few others.
Stanford has produced a Heisman winner, won multiple Rose Bowls, and produced two of the best QBs in college football history.(Elway, Luck) Outside of Johnny Football, the Wrecking Crew, and John David Crow, what has A&M done in football?
with Bear Bryant?
Won an AP National Title. Won a number of Cotton Bowls when the Cotton was one of the big 4 Bowl Games (Rose, Sugar, Orange and Cotton).
If you consider that top 20ish job at the moment.
are not well represented either. That is a travesty. There should be a law!
Is it really that great of a hire? For some reason (just purely gut) I don't see this as a great hire. Not bad, just not great.
But I don't think it is for Texas.
I would've loved to have seen Strong at Miami with Golden at PSU. The U would've been back in full effect.
I was really hoping Saban would take the Texas job. I've always kind of liked Texas because I kind of view them as the Michigan of the south. Saban just feels "BIG" and Texas is "BIG"...not that Alabama isn't, just seems like that would've been a good fit on many levels.
Briles would've been a nice hire there too.
Ummmmmmm, the Longhorns appeared in two national championship games winning one against a stacked (and illegal) USC and losing one to a stacked Alabama team.
One National Championship appearance every eight years is not good enough for some people.
This despite that fact that Alabama claims the most National Championships in college football with 12 in 121 seasons, or one every ten seasons.
I know it was sarcasm, but sadly that was true here in Austin. The sad thing was it had basically been 25+ years since UT had been relavent on the national stage and yet the guy still got run out of town. Granted there were many reasons, some based on record and team performance, many more behind the scenes issues.
He's a great coach, Mack Brown is basically Lloyd Carr to me.
I think Strong will do well because he'll be able to recruit really well, Tyrone Swoopes might have a shot in Strong's system as well.
That said, I just don't know when you're talking longterm. It'll be interesting to watch.
I don't see many similarities to Carr and Brown. Very different situations they walked into. Also very different backgrounds and personalities. Final expectations may be the only similarity.
I just meant in on the field product...
I few good years surrounded by average...eventually the fanbases grew tired of 3-4 loss seasons and wanted a new voice.
Both fanbases wanted BCS wins and when they didn't get them, they kind of pushed the coach out. Texas moreso than Michigan, but Texas and it's "machine" is a lot bigger.
I get what you are saying. I have a different perspective on Mack Brown and UT given my location and connections to the program. Given my addiction to Michigan this probably makes me more sensitive to the differences.
He will bring Texas back, IMO.
He's got a persona large enough to fit the Texas job, commands a lot of respect, seems to recruit well, and obviously has done well on the field. Could be a home run for Texas
Some more info from other people.
This is the same guy who said Jimbo Fisher was going to be the next coach. I'm going to wait until other people start coming out with info.
Edit: My post looks stupid now since post above has other sources.
It's not stupid. Everyone is saying everything on Twitter right now, Strong was offered, strong received no offers, Strong will accept, Strong strong strong, Strong will talk it over
That's Twitter for you
However, Texas is Texas and of course they're going to leak shit.
I guarantee Strong accepted but said that he wanted to talk to his AD, Prez and team.
He's a great coach and I think and hope he does well, but he's in for a whole new world at Texas.
Strong has good on record about his admiration for Jurich and how he gave him a shot and hung with him. Jurich has also had opportunities to leave and they've stayed and showed loyalty to each other. That said, I don't think Jurich can play Strong for leave if he's going to be making 5-7 million a year and coaching the biggest program in the country.
The White House, With all of these leaks
If I could have only started thread....IF it happens great hire if not...woe is Texas. With golden leaving Miami and other coaches clamoring for the job....gonna get tight out there
So Golden to PSU is done deal?
Expect it soon....
But ESPN did report that he said he is willing to listen and interview.
I've heard that he will not be able to say no to PSU if they offer. I think they will.
But no, not a done deal.
He is not returning calls to coaches....admin...or recruits. I'd say done deal. Names already surfacing for replacement.... Butch Davis biggest right now and he reached out to university
Good for us since he gonna bring the D coord who SUCKS!! He drops D lineman into coverage ALL the time
Who is "us" in your post?
The big ten.....really?!? Have you EVER watched their D?? Jackass......
Your post was actually confusing because you replied to a guy who was repying to the OP. Since the OP is about Strong to Texas it is not that crazy to think you are talking about the UL defensive coordinator.
I just hope Texas gives him a fair shake.
UT has averaged over 5 losses per year the last four seasons, and recent recruiting classes haven't been the surefire top-five kind they've had for a while now. Not to mention they've had Stoops (four straight 10-win seasons and two BCS bowl wins), Miles (averaging 11 wins last four seasons), Briles (Heisman, conference title and BCS bowl appearance), Gundy (three 10-win seasons and BCS bowl win), Sumlin (Heisman, 20 wins in 2 years, following a 12 win season at Houston), and now Kingsbury (blowout win over ASU in first season), all doing serious work in their backyard.
The odds that UT will just be raring to go from a personnel standpoint any time soon aren't terribly great. It will be interesting to see what the perception is if the first couple seasons look like Brown's last few.
2013 class - ranked 24th. 15 recruits. Average star/player - 3.6 (ranked 8th in average star/player)
2012 class - ranked 2nd, 24 recruits. Average star/player - 3.64 (ranked 7th in average star/player)
2011 class - ranked 3rd, 22 recruits. Average star/player - 3.77 (ranked 2nd in average star/player)
2010 class - ranked 3rd, 25 recruits. Average star/player - 3.92 (ranked 2nd in average star/player)
2009 class - ranked 5th, 20 recruits. Average star/player - 3.85 (ranked 3rd in average star/player)
I'd say their recruiting has been pretty good the last 5 years.
Those 2009 guys will all be gone next year. And average star/player doesn't really help you if you get there by only taking 15 guys.
Between the 2013 class and what they have so far this year, UT will have 16 guys who are rated 4-star or higher on Rivals. Texas A&M has 27 over the same period. Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, LSU, and UCLA at least matched that 16 guys in 2013 alone. Alabama has exceeded that number again in 2014 alone. So has Tennessee.
Those classes won't payoff for a while, but if the earlier ones were as good as advertised the Horns would probably have a better record the last four years. Unless Mack's scouting dramatically improved as his recruiting rankings dipped, things aren't going to be a cakewalk by any stretch, yet that seems to be the way a lot of casual observers view the Texas job.
of the teams you mentioned, I don't think Texas plays any of them in the regular season.
I've always thought there's two big keys to being a head coach in college - recruiting and player development. Mack to me seems like he's done a good job of recruiting. It's his player development that I question. The same thing kind of happened to Bowden at the end of his career - solid recruiting but he couldn't translate that into much more 4 and 5 loss seasons.
Guy wins more than he loses. Guy gets good head coaching job.
Funny how that stuff works out.
his agents sucks. how he only got 5 mil/yr out of money bags Texas? with the their search was going, he should've been able to get 6.5-7 mil
5 mil/yr is pretty freakin good for guy who hasnt done anything yet. Yeah he won a Sugar Bowl with Louisville last year but that doesnt make you worth 5 mil much less 6-7. I'm sure he's got good incentives in his proposed contract but I'd actually be shocked if they paid him 5 mil right off the bat. Too much for a guy with 4 years of HC experience in a weak conference with the aid of the future #1 pick in the draft