Anyone doubt now that the SEC is going to 16 teams?
Mike Lantry, 1972
Anyone doubt now that the SEC is going to 16 teams?
Hide your kids, hide your wife.
What does this mean for the B1G?
The SEC could very well have wanted A&M to be the ones to breach their new contract with the BXII before inviting them. Not saying that's definitely what's happening, but it's being talked about on the intenet and sounds plausable.
The internet is a series of tubes.
The internet is a series of tubes.
The internet is a series of tubes.
they will take no action at this time b/c the aggies are still in the big 12 and they don't want to be the bad guys
if the aggies leave the big 12 then maybe they can talk
this vote by the chancellors was the first step on the aggies part
That article pretends to do a legal analysis, but its discussion of "tortious interference" has a MAJOR GAPING hole, so don't trust it.
Basically, tortious inference is a common-law civil liability claim where a third party (C) can be liable for encouraging one party (A) to breach its contract with a second party (B) -- B would sue C for tort damaages. BUT, to be liable -- and this is the hole in that article -- C's conduct must be "wrongful" (it's stated in a number of different words in various states) -- meaning, C must do something immoral, illegal, and/or separately tortious (e.g. fraudulent), etc.
The law ALLOWS third parties to present better business offers. C going to A and saying, hey I can cut you a better deal, even after you pay off B. That is entirely permissible, and in fact, sort of encouraged. It's called capitalism. Market economics. The law allows parties to breach contracts, you just have to pay off breach damages. If it's better economically for A&M to join the SEC even after paying breach damages to the BigXII, then, the law allows that. The SEC does nothing "wrongful" by trying to present a better deal to A&M.
So while I do think the SEC is trying to protect itself from lawsuits, there's nothing stopping the SEC from making an offer to A&M. It would merely be unseemly, perhaps, but not illegal or tortious.
better article without the bad legal analysis
Here's what happened:
Texas A&M approached the SEC
The SEC did their research and determined they'd be liable if they poached A&M while they were in the Big 12
The SEC voted not to extend an invite, but Silve's comments on the vote contained at leat 100 instances of the words "at this time" and "right now"
A&M votes to leave the Big 12, placing all liability on them
Now the move can proceed
Although I wouldn't be too surprised. I am confident they will go to 14.
They might even just stop at 13
But ask yourself... if you truly believed that 16 team conferences were the future (and it seems like most ADs do), why would you stop at 14? A&M leaving is going to create a domino effect, it will be even worse if the SEC poaches an ACC team. There will be so much up for grabs, you're asking ADs and Commissioners to just stop instead of going all the way and trying to carve out the biggest pie slice for themselves.
Well this don't mean shit until the SEC actually extends an invitation to A&M
I'll believe it when it happens.
Agreed. Unless Florida is okay with putting themselves in the same conference as FSU and Miami, there aren't any more teams that add a lot of value to the SEC.
Virginia Tech. Increases academics and adds media exposure to the Virginia/DC area.
Already have markets in Florida, so Miami and Florida State wouldn't add that. Plus, would add recruiting competition for Florida (ACC style of ball is different from SEC style).
I don't think the SEC gives a damn about academics, the new market is okay and all, but there have to be viability issues after Beamer is gone. I also don't think there's any way in hell that FSU and Miami are brought into the SEC, even though I disagree about the money they would bring in. Nobody disputes the financial viability ND brings to the table even though the BTN is all over Indiana already.
The problem is, who are the other dance partners? Apparently each SEC team is blocking their instate rival, for example Florida blocking Florida State.
The SEC is going after B1G rejects
West Virginia! Please...
Rumor has it that they are looking to expand into the VA/DC television markets. That means that a school like UMd or VPI would be the next selection.
They wouldn't take Maryland. It would be Virginia Tech, which should be of some concern because if the Big Ten is forced to expand, Tech would be the most promising target, in terms of all around suitability.
Supposedly there are difficulties involved in VT leaving UVA behind. I've seen a number of SEC blogs advancing the theory that the state isn't cool with VT leaving UVA behind.
There would be problems. Virginia twisted UVA's arm to make them accept Tech into the ACC. On the other hand, the Texas gov. isn't ok with A&M leaving. There is a balance of power issue here. The state can only go so far in dictating who stays and goes, although I have no notion how happy Tech is in there current situation. The good news for us is, we'd probably take UVA if it means getting Tech, and that would give us the "Virginia Footprint" for sure.
Rick Perry is definitely on board with A&M leaving for the SEC
Perry isn't the problem, it's the legislature that might try and stop them.
Heard a number of Texas politicos on Rivals radion Sirius yesterday talking with Mike Leach during his show and the basic stance down there is that the whole "Texas legislature won't let Texas A&M leave" meme is a bunch of hooey since most TAMU alums are Ok with this, Houston would likely be invited to fill that void in the Big 12, and if the Big 12 really wants to reconsitute, they could invite more of the Texas schools currently in Conf USA (SMU, UTEP, Rice) to beef up the Big12 numbers wise without UTexas losing a dime. The only real political lever the Tex Leg has is restricting TAMU access to the oil field land grant fund that is already disproportionately weighted toward UTexas, and that, to most of the polticos that called in, would be political suicide for any legislator that tried to introduce that.
Well, based on their actions, I'd say A&M doesn't think the legislature can stop them. I also agree that Texas (Imean, the Big 12) should invite more than one team. I think they should aim for three, if they can get the right three. You are right, since they don't really share revenue it isn't much skin off Texas' nose, but it still needs to have value to the brand.
While Houston is a possibility, I don't think they benefit from adding Rice or SMU back into the fold. I doubt TCU would be in the mix. If I were Beebe I'd try to get Houston, which would come in a heartbeat, BYU (whi I suspect would cross over) and Boise State, which would be...more problematic. Builds for the future.
That's all just..."if I were god" stuff.
Yep, and in that scenario they probably go after NC State (the only NC school where basketball isn't a bigger deal than football and probably not as tied to the other ACC schools in state as VT is to UVA), Mizzou and another Texas school, probably Texas Tech.
If they can only land one of those, it would probably be Tech and they'd probably stop there.
Stranger and stranger...Aside from the, SEC playing innocent theory, which I suppose is sound, one might also conclude two other possibilities: 1.) A&M is simply showing that they REEEAALLLLYYY don't want to stay with Texas or 2.) They want to leave and ARE leaving and they'll figure out where they land once they're gone. There is a nice ESPN write up on how the students at A&M are really getting behind the move.
Just a matter of time......Money drives everything in this world..
The whole SEC statement from this weekend was for two reasons: 1) Legally, they could get in trouble if they extended an invitation before A&M applied, and 2) It was a way to 'pump the brakes' so to speak, in that since everything broke last week, things have gotten incredibly hectic. It gives A&M time to get their stuff in order, and if it hasn't already happened, it gives the SEC time to secure a 14th team.
If the regents have approved the president to explore and act on any potential conference changes, that should tell you all you need to know. A university would not pubcilally acknowledge that unless they had an agreement in place beforehand. I am not foolish enough to think there isn't still a chance everything could fall through, but I would be damned surprised if this didn't happen at this point.
As for the B10, I don't know if this has been posted already, but there was a rumor that OU, OkSt., and two other B12 teams (speculated to be Kansas and K St.) approached the B10 and were told no for academic reasons. I suspect financially that move also doesn't work out for the B10, so no surprise that they were turned down.
Now this next bit is mostly pure speculation, but I suspect the B10 is talking behind the scenes to the big fish: Texas and ND. I suspect ND is starting to realize that they could be left out to dry if they don't join a conference once the dominoes start to fall. The logical choice is the B10. I know a lot of people are saying that if Texas is to leave the B12, that the PAC 12 is probably the destination, but I can't help but think that if Texas wanted to be in the PAC, they would have been last year. Again, I feel like the Big 10 is the logical choice. The financial windfall both athletically and academically would be huge. You can also bet that the B10 is selling the idea of adding both those teams to both Texas and ND. Adding those two could be enough to get the BTN on every basic cable package in the nation, and that equates to huge $$$.
Again, these are just my thoughts on the whole thing. I realize there are lot of things that could hold up adding those two teams (the LHN chief among them), but those things could be worked out if the parties are truly interested. I don't know if the B10 would go beyond 14, though I suspect they would if the right candidates are there (say Oklahoma and Maryland/Syracuse/Mizzou?). Either way, I'm sure the next few weeks will be very exciting beyond the usual buildup to kickoff.
which would pave the way for TX and ND + 16?
But they do fit academically. I think it would be difficult for them to sell a move to the Big Ten with how their base has embraced the possible move to the SEC. It would be funny to see A&M on BTN while Texas still doen't have a carrier for the Longhorn Network.
Actually, they DO fit in academically. They are a good school, comprably ranked (higher than Nebraska) and are AAU (unlike Nebraska, now). I agree that they are not a cultural fit, though. Their mentality is much more suited to the SEC.
They'd probably be from the 2d to 4th best school in the SEC, depending on how you feel about Georgia and Florida.
I still think that texas is a snobby, not-that-attractive, rich girl who thinks everyone should listen to them and like them. I think that if texas wants to join the big ten, they need to be a team player and all indications are that they don't care about anyone but themselves. i dont want them
Yeah all true but... let's all admit it, we'd all still bang Texas if we had the chance.
Not if I were in charge. Herpes is incurable.
Texas would never agree to full revenue sharing
Unless the Pac-12 or us are willing to let them basically run the show by themselves, they'll probably end up in the Notre Dame situation... independent in football, in C-USA for other sports. Becuase C-USA would be fine with the Longhorn Network and getting none of that.
The only good thing that could come of 16 team conferences is if 2 of the big 6 die. That way a playoff can be easily set up. Conference Championship, Regional Championship, National Champs. No more bitching. But I would like everyone to stay at 12 but that is very unlikely.
If they went to a playoff with only teams from 4 conferences eligible we will hear an unprecendented level of bitching.
If you locked all teams not in those conferences out, you would get sued. For that reason, it makes me wonder if the formation of 4 super conferences would be a prelude to those conferences breaking away from the NCAA to form their own league. That eliminates all legal issues (I believe).
IF the super conferences happen, my ideal scenario for a playoff would be that each conference has 4 divisions, then there is a mini playoff within the conference between the 4 division winners, then the conference winners play each other for the championship.
This is a garbage rehashing from Dennis Dodd, aka the worst writer on the internet. Sources have led to nothing in the last week. A&M is in the Big 12 for the long haul. Just like last year there will be minimal, if any, significant movement
They wouldn't take Maryland. It would be Virginia Tech
The Virginia legislature put enormous pressure on UVa to refuse to vote for any ACC expansion that didn't include VPI. One would think that pressure would be shifted to VPI should they choose to bolt.
Maryland, on the other hand, has a long standing gripe with the ACC. They believe that it's the Big Four (NCSU, UNC, WFU, and Dook) and everyone else. They'd split in a heartbeat.
Pressure was put on UVA because Virginia Tech was stuck in the Big East and they really wanted to leave. VT to the SEC would leave both schools happy.
Yes, the point is not whether Maryland would want to go, on which I have no notion, it's that the SEC would not want Maryland. Whereas the Big Ten looks at a laundry list of desires in a school which is virtually impossible to entirely fulfill, the SEC wants three things: 1.) Football, 2.) Money 3.) FOOOOTTTBBBALLLLLL!!!
Maryland isn't an SEC football program, and it isn't a huge brand name which would make them the money they want. It would be a new market area, but it doesn't bring the kind of package the SEC wants. Maryland doesn't have an A&M rabid following, and it's fans are more pumped up over basketball than football. It's just not a good fit.
the SEC is driven by football primarily (not academics, or well rounded athletic programs). The only ACC school that fits the bill is Florida State really. If the SEC wanted to make a splash with a non-football school, they'd try (but not succeed) to get UNC & Duke to instantly raise the profile of the SEC as a basketball conference (think Kentucky, UNC, & Duke in the same hoops conference would be like having Michigan, Ohio St, and Notre Dame in the same football conference). Plus without going to 16 teams, and not wanting to split up traditional rivals which the conference voting blocks are based on (Bama-Auburn, Tenn-Vandy, OleMiss-MissSt), you're looking at an eastern school to go with TAMU so as to put one in the SEC East and one in the SEC West.
The faculty of Maryland would be very, very unhappy with a switch to the SEC and all that it implies for the athletics/academics balance. That's not how they see their institution, at all. Faculty governance by no means drives any of this, but an unhappy faculty senate can make life pretty miserable for university administrators if their wishes are explicitly ignored.