I didnt see anything about this from the earlier post, put USC may have been late in replying to his transfer, thus giving him a chance to transfer anywhere.
Terms of Ty Isaac release?
is not as good as the news of his original release. Blood in the water now...still hope we get him!
Go Blue Ty!
can schools have a say in who you can transfer to anyway? Seems unjust to me.
I do think they should be able to say "you're not going to a conference team or a team on our near-future schedules". There are competitive reasons for that, both in terms of fairness and simply for winning purposes. You don't want to face guys with grudges or inside info into your program.
But other than that, I agree.
I can see why they would want to be able to say that. But I don't see any reason as to why they should be able to say that.
Who cares what the current school wants, it shouldn't matter at all... especially if these guys are "students"
They aren't simply students. I agree that the players should have more power, but I do think there are competitive fairness reasons. Combined with that, I think that it should be more of a two-way street. The current school is investing something into these players, by means of scholarship, food, etc (and I understand they are often getting something, perhaps more, in return). They have that obligation to the player as laid out by the contract that is signed by both parties. I think a fair, two-way street allows the current institution to have some say in the action for breaking that contract within reason.
Currently, they have too much say, but they shouldn't have no say, IMO, and I think something as far as saying "don't play a conference team or team on our near-future schedule" has realistic backing and reason behind it, in terms of fairness and things of that nature. But they shouldn't be allowed to block places because they're bitter against the player or something, that's too much power that some schools are currently pushing.
I disagree with the "competitive issue" argument.
MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL all have free agency. None of those leagues allow a previous team to dictate where a free agent can go. If the competitive edge issue were really true, I gaurantee this would have been integrated into professional level free agency.
The schools still get to decide whether they release him from his commitment or not, but they should have no say in where they get to go.
"MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL all have free agency. None of those leagues allow a previous team to dictate where a free agent can go. If the competitive edge issue were really true, I gaurantee this would have been integrated into professional level free agency."
This is false. There are multiple ways in which teams can prevent players from going elsewhere. One is the franchise tag in the NFL. Another is restricted free agency, where teams can match contract offers. Another is the multi-year contract. There are probably others I'm not mentioning.
Super 2 status and arbritation in MLB.
You are either confused as to the purpose of those two terms or it's a purposeful misrepresentation to try and justify a point of view.
- The Franchise tag was not put in place to prevent a player from going to a competitive or rival team. It was to prevent a player from leaving at all. The franchise tag was simply a way to retain a key player for an additional season beyond their contract terms in the effort to maintain team continuity and extend negotiating time.
- Restricted free agency, again was a rule implemented to give a team owner the ability to keep their key talent together for a longer period of time, not to pick and choose where a player could go through free agency.
Neither of these rules you cited address the specific issue of a team agreeing to let a player go, but only to certain locations. If a team says it no longer needs a player, that player should have the freedom to go wherever they want.
and those who lose players will likely have the best draft picks. Should the schools draft the players?
There are over 120 FBS schools in the country. If your current school prevents you from attending 10 or 12 or 17 of them, there are still over 100 left to choose from. As Space Coyote said, there are competitive reasons why schools should be able to prevent kids from transferring to certain places.
Imagine if this had applied a few years back we wouldn't all despise the Borens as we do.
Well, Boren did have to pay his own way through Ohio State.
but imagine if you wanted to transfer from UofM, you'd be pretty pissed off if the university said 'Ok, but you can't go to any other Big Ten school or any other school in the top 5 of your program because we're competing with them for academic rankings'. Not as a comparable, but I see no reason why a guy from Michigan who's going to UofM or MSU can't transfer to the other school.
Would it piss a lot of people off? Sure, but they're "student-athletes" not the property of the university they sign an NLI for
Well, if the student knows the audibles or hand signals of the engineering department or LSA, then yeah, that might be a problem.
Also, the university doesn't generally spend a lot of money recruiting, housing, feeding, and coaching you when you're a regular student.
It'a apples to oranges.
He said Ty spoke with coach Nuss last night. Hopefully they can get a quick visit scheduled and get the ball rolling, but nothing to get excited about until a visit is scheduled. I did see that out of all the coaches reaching out to Ty on twitter, the only one he followed back was coach Heck. Don't know what to read into that, but it's interesting nonetheless.
Notre Dame. Hopefully we get a shot, but my gut feeling is somewhere else. Actually, as long as it's not OSU or ND, I wouldn't really care.
As painful as it is to say it, we no longer play ND. It's not going to hurt us if he goes there.
But Fuck Notre Dame! always
Sure it will. When he plays this fall against you.
Tell your gut to shut up.
I posted this in one of the previous threads—there's a Chicago Tribune article with a quote from Isaac addressing this, specifically with regard to Notre Dame:
A day after the 6-foot-3, 225-pound running back was granted his release from USC, Isaac said he was prohibited from transferring to Notre Dame — and every other team on USC’s schedule — a condition of his release.
“Right now they are a team I can’t talk to,” said Isaac, a former five-star recruit who rushed for 236 yards and two touchdowns on 40 carries as a freshman. “That might change. (USC) might have missed the deadline to give restrictions. If they did I would consider it. … I definitely don’t want it to be a dragged-out process. I want to figure out where I’m going to be next year and get to work.”
Also, the article indicates Isaac does have some interest in Michigan:
The Wolverines, who were in the picture originally, and the Illini fit his criteria.
“I wouldn’t say I have a top three, but I’m looking at Big Ten schools that are close to where I live,” Isaac said.
And in the good news/bad news department from Twitter:
. @EDGYTIM: Ty Isaac told me there are no plans to visit Illinois this weekend. Illinois, Michigan, Northwestern will get consideration.
— Jeremy Werner (@WernerESPNCU) May 15, 2014
Sources: Northwestern the most likely destination for USC transfer, former 5-Star RB Ty Isaac. Notre Dame, Illinois are strong options, too.
— Chris Emma (@CEmmaScout) May 16, 2014
Before this news came out and there were only a few schools where he was allowed to transfer to I was thinking it would be Northwestern. This was no Sam Webb gut feeling but this has been a school were it seems to attract a lot of transfers and it isnt too far away from his home town. Another reason it is a great academic school and with the trending up in the football program all lead to better football players heading to the northwestern cmapus.
On a side note it wouldnt hurt if they are the first school who can pay their players, legally, that wouldnt be a bad place for people to want to go and play football.
So you think that Northwestern will start paying players if they voted to unionize?
thats what the other employees of the school will get. The whole reason they are trying to unionize is so that they get paid and not taken advantage of with all the money the NCAA makes off of them as football players
You have no idea what you are talking about. They won't get paid.
Hopefully Hoke can reel him in...
If the cock block is somehow circumvented he will be at ND. I'd bet my house on it.
What say we wager? Your house against my cherished garden gnome, Gnorman. You get ND, I get the field.
This seems to contradict some of the previous reports, but Doug Bucshon, of the Illinois Rivals site, just said in a radio interview that he talked to Isaac last night, and Isaac said he had no intention of appealing USC's transfer restrictions. Bucshon thus thinks Notre Dame isn't an option and that Isaac is likely to choose among Illinios, Northwestern, and Michigan.
Per Scott Schrader
Ty has said he will transfer to Northern Illinois, Illinois or Northwestern.
Well theres that.