according to Joe Schad on twitter.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
solution transfer to Central Michigan then transfer to Michigan
here's a link to a little article about this:
Nothing more than what is being discussed here, but at least others (neutral observers) are discussing it.
Can they do that?
Coach Dooley, myself or anybody doesn't know what the future holds for my Father and I feel that I represented the University of Tennessee the best way I can on and Off the field and I feel I have earned the right to be released unconditional to all schools in Michigan. Especially with The University of Tennessee not scheduling any program from the state of Michigan on their current or future schedules. Coach Dooley has singled two programs that I cant get a unconditional release to and that's the University of Michigan and Michigan State University. He told me I can attend any Mac school that I want and if I wanted to attend The University of Michigan and Michigan State University then I would have to pay for school instead of be on the scholarship. I dont know whats next my family cant afford to pay for school and my father health reason isn't good enough excuse for me to attend a BCS school close to home. (According to coach Dooley). Therefore as a student athlete i feel coach Dooley is trying to hinder my success by not allowing me to compete at a bcs level! And he's neglecting the fact that my father is severely ill.
what a dick move. does he have anyway to fight it?
I thought Lane Kiffin left Tennessee?
indentured servitude was illegal
...for the soon to be departing Danny O'Brien. Good luck to Derek Dooley recruiting Michigan in the coming years.
Not just Michigan, any out of state recruit. It's a negative recruiting advantage for all opposing coaches as long as they didn't do the same thing. Would be pretty effective on parents, I would think.
It's never a good idea to think or to expect fair treatment when you are talking about "student-athletes" and the NCAA.
That being said, CMU is as good a place as any for him. Maybe he'll be a star there and be close enough to his dad that he can help out.
He could appeal it to a group of non-football University of Tennessee people. http://www.scribd.com/doc/12763105/NCAA-Transfer-Guide (See pg. 11)
Who's that? 3 janitors and a math GA?
They're a women's basketball school so it shouldn't be difficult to find non-football people.
so if I interepret that right, he could still transfer to msu/um and just pay his own way next year then he would be elligable for scholorship?
You can go anywhere you want if you pay your own way. I understand not releasing him to rivals like Florida or Bama, but to punish a kid for going home seems juvenile.
Seriously. I think the UT head coach helped Craig James kill those hookers while he was at SMU.
Senator Craig James killed five hookers?
CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS WHEN HE WAS AT SMU allegedly. It's also possible that he kept a senator's daugher in a well in his basement during his killing spree and said things to the daughter like "It puts the lotion on its body," but there is no way of knowing that.
Wait they can actually do that? I never knew there was a rule that regualtes where a kid can transfer too! That's actually not fair at all, since the kid is transferring for his dad's health reasons. Nice, tennessee would be a bunch of d-bags, ruining a kid's football career as well!
He probably won't do this, but he could also file a lawsuit alleging that the NCAA transfer restrictions violate antitrust law. I'm not an expert on antitrust law but I think they're could be a case to be had there.
It's probably not the right move for him to go down that path but it would be nice to see someone try it. It's ridiculous that schools have the ability to limit players choices to the extent that they do.
He'd be 40 years old before it got done winding its way through court.
B1G actually has this rule. For example Boren had to pay his way at OSU.
I can't even imagine how I would feel if my father was struggling to stay alive and someone made that kind of judgement about me. Do you seriously think he is worried about a lost coach at a time like this?
Whoa, settle down. Nothing was said out of malice. The only reason aaaMichFan would say anything like this is b/c someone somewhere has abused this "exception" before, and it will be abused again.
Since he is from that area?
I think you are underestimating how much DO loves to hunt. One of the reasons why chose UT was the great hunting available relatively close to the campus.
I am not from Michigan, but i remember when I was in school, there were plenty of areas to hunt in Michigan, correct?
It's ridiculous when schools don't just release guys.
to grant Rob Bolden's request for transfer. It is a common practice more than you think.
Also asked for a transfer at one point. Thankfully, after a conversation with Lloyd and his mother, he made the right decision and stayed in Ann Arbor.
Same with Tom Brady
But that's the player ultimately changing his decision, at least the way you reported it. The Tennessee situation is the school just saying, "No," so the player hasn't a full say in his future.
Can he request a transfer to a B1G school through the NCAA? Considering the situation with his father I'm surprised UT is going out of their way to ruin his hopes of playing for a high D1 team closer to home. Terrible.
schadjoe Joe Schad
What a terrible policy. Do they have secrets they don't want out?
Someone should tweet DOB and ask him if this is he asshole he wants to play for.
Wonder if they'd let him transfer to Akron. They play Tennessee next September.
and I used the word "business" on purpose. SEC schools pretty much laugh at the convetions of sportsmanship and amateurism. They will force a kid out if he is not up to par, but when the shoe is on the other foot, they won't fully release the kid.
You would think that at some point, players would start to understand this and fewer kids would commit to SEC schools, but I doubt that happens so long as SEC schools keep winning championships and SEC boosters keep the money flowing.
Good for him.
That's a ridiculous policy and basically gives them the right to deny a transfer anywhere. There are recruits dotted all over the country with Tennessee on their lists with other schools and every kid has a different list, so Tennessee has to recruit versus every college football power across the country. On a recruit by recruit basis, there isn't any school in a BCS conference Tennessee doesn't have to go up against in recruiting, so they can deny a transfer anywhere per their policy. Cool policy, bro.
I've heard of people looking like their dogs but not people looking like their football coach.
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Pissin me off
The Kid sounds like a good guy, and is transfering for the right reasons not wrong ones. I would rather see him at MSU if we don't have room for him instaed of CMU or some other school where he won't get as much exposure
They don't want him transferring to a rival school.
/Puts finger to ear
What's that, you say? He's probably looking at Big Ten schools, who Tennessee doesn't play. Well, still, the kid made a commitment, so why should they release him just because he changed his mind...
/Puts finger to ear
What's that? He's trying to get closer to his SICK FATHER?
Yeah, okay. I give up. It's officially a Dick Move.
He wants to transfer to MSU or UM.
I had a decent opinion of Dooley before this - not so much now. Why would they care? he's going to leave, and its not going to affect UT if he plays for Western or UM. Jerks.
I kind of felt bad for Tennessee being that their football program fell on such hard times, but if this is true..... screw em.
Deanthony Arnett needs to transfer back home to be with his ailing father, who has had two heart attacks and is currently undergoing regular dialysis treatment.
Tennessee says "that's cool and all, but you can never play for a BCS championship, prestigious bowl game, or enjoy maximum television exposure because you're leaving us."
As far as I'm concerned, that is downright immoral and absurd, regardless of your team affiliations.
Wow, that's bullshit. TN doesn't play either of these schools, which would be the only hang-up that would be valid.
Why the hell should Tennessee care if the kid transfers to UM or MSU?! The odds of Tennessee facing this kid at either of those schools is pretty small. That's the only logical reason for restricting where you release a kid, which is why I would understand not allowing a transfer within conference. This just seems petty and stupid. But it is Tennesse so ... yeah.
You would think they would want to avoid media fallout from transfers, like what happened after the Aaron Douglas affair.
who lives outside of the south...I would pay close attention to Dooley's stance on this matter. Not setting a good precedent by tenn who,by the way,recruits the nation.
sons of bitches..../s
but for real, that is pathetic.
I didn't know schools could do that. Dictating where a player can or can't play shouldn't be allowed... God forbid the kid might actually want a top notch education.
Bryce Brown had to go thru the same thing. He has to appeal the decision to Tennessee.
Can't believe a school is technically only committed to the kid for one year (scholarships are renewed annually) but the kid has to be committed to a school for 4 years (can't transfer with out consent). The rules are stupid and need to change.
Apparently Dooley wouldn't release one local kid unless he left the state (or something like that) and wouldn't release former 5* Bryce Brown at all.
Would be awesome to see Danny O'Brien decommit because of this and go wherever..Dooley and UT are a bunch of scumbags
Tennessee can eat a bag of dicks. What a bunch of souless asshats.
"eat" a bag of dicks.
That the vols are tools is a given. But the transfer request does seem to coincide with the firing of his position coach.
This is just sad, nothing good comes out the SEC I live in Nashville, TN but I hate the Vols with passion. Wish the kid and his family the best no matter where he ends up.
A school should only have the option of denying a release to:
1) teams within their conference
2) teams on their schedule within the time of the player's graduation
Anywhere else should be illegal to deny transfer too.
I wonder if Woodson didn't win the Heisman that year what their school policy would be towards one wanting to possibly transfer to Michigan...
UT is getting hammered on the different comment sites. Even a UT blog has many folks saying they should give him a full release to any MI school.
This poor kids dad could have another, potentially fatal heart attack and Tennessee wants to play hard ball? Wow. Tennessee whined not too long ago about a certain coach bailing on them and they want to talk about ethics? Clearly they have none either. Whether he plays in green and white or maize and blue, he should be allowed to go without restriction. Shame on you Tennessee.
Some day, someone (maybe like this case) will take the NCAA and the school involved to court - something the legal experts could offer thoughts on. There are many inequities in the relationship:
1. Schools can dictate where the student ends up. Students have little alternatives.
2. Schools can allow the circumstances to change (coaches leave, sports are de-certified as varsity sports) without recourse by the students.
3. Other students are not prevented from transferring or receiving stipends, so this limitation violates the student-athlete concept. Imagine you are a theoretical physics major who comes to Major U to study under Prof. X who is an expert on string theory. During sophomore year, Prof. X leaves to be chair at another school. There is no one here who is committed to string theory and worse the senior prof. taking over your mentorship is anti-string theory experimentalist. There are no limits preventing you from leaving Major U and going to any other school including accepting stipends and scholarships. So why are athlete students limited?
4. There are some prior arguments where players are denied an opportunity to play and who have fought it - maybe an insight here. Schools have always reserved the right of who plays for them. But does that right extend beyond their boundaries? My house, my rules, but can they say my house, my rules for all of your eligibility? There was a pretty good player who sued Northwestern after the team physician declared him ineligible to play. This player was found to have ventricular fibrillation after experiencing cardiac arrest which led to placement of a implanted defibrillator. Northwestern didn't feel he should play any more. (Knapp versus Northwestern University, No. 96-3450, US Court of Appeals, 7th circuit) It is a complex case involving disability law but one of the key arguments which won the case in favor of Northwestern was that while the limitation did prevent the player from playing D1 ball, it didn't prevent him from fulfilling the other aspect of student-athlete, being a student. It is noted that "Northwestern isn't the only place that the player could obtain an education or even play and it is not a general denial of his ability to learn at the college level." So why should any school like UT be able deny anyone who wants to transfer anywhere? Where are the strict constitutional bill of rights crowd?
5. Let's finally admit that for many D1 CFB and MBB players - developing their athletic abilities IS the reason or one of the major reasons they are in school.
pre-Curt Flood, anyone suggesting that the relationship of athlete to team was anything other than a positive one for the athlete was thought a fool, a contrarian, or worse. "hey, those athletes get paid to play a game. they need to shut up and take what they get.". now we know better, or at least we recognize that pro athletes do have rights.
that time is coming to college athletics, too. the "hey, they're getting a FREE college education" response is going to sound just as outdated as the reserve clause in 20 years. Book it.
As much as I love Michigan sports, I don't fault any kid wanting to transfer if the original nature of the understanding has changed. So if Brady Hoke got hired away I'd be all for releasing anyone of his recruits if they request it. I'd hope they listen to what the new coach had to offer, but if they wanted to go, they should.
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This is obviously a slime-ball move by Tennessee, but playing Devil's advocate: Would the MGoOutrage be as rampant if he was only considering OSU and MSU?
...is HISTORICALLY a "eat a bag of dicks" place. go back to fulmer backstabbing johnny majors out of a job, or the very existence of the "fulmer cup," or peyton manning's profound douchiness (and the vols' concurrent and persistent whininess), or lane kiffin's lane kiffinu-ness...it's a classic SEC "FIGJAM" school, nowhere NEAR as great as it thinks it is.
i don't care where arnett wants to go, personally, but dooley can screw himself. enjoy 6-6 forever, douchebag.
Same thing happened last year with Cincinnati and Tennessee...after Lane Kiffin left, Tenn would not let Kenbrell Thompkins (4* WR) out of his LOI if he was going to go to a BCS school....MAC schools Only.