The team! New tunnel paint job.
I would much rather have this 'soft edge,' as you call it, than the 'hard edge' we saw the past 3 years, as RR called it.
I approve. This paint job's a keeper!
I was there over the weekend and the three concrete headers in front of the one that says, "GO BLUE" have 'The Team, The Team, The Team." Looking in from the mouth of the tunnel, each one gets a little larger than the last. Pretty cool effect, and I am loving it.
One other change that we noticed is outside the Michigan locker room door. There is a red rose now painted as well as the years that we won the Big Ten Champion. I think that it all looks really great.
I want football to start NOW.
Agreed, all in favor for starting the season early?
Shades of Bo, what great tradition!
I like it. I wonder who thought of it? Anybody know whose idea it was? And who executed the design?
We can't live in the past since it can be distracting, but I don't mind borrowing from inspiration that was so powerful.
But I don't know how they found out, because I never told anyone. True story.
going through and negging every comment? pos bang from me for everyone.
I would guess...
His Dudeness (love you guy xoxo)
Didnt RR tell Denard to buy into the new coaching staff? Perhaps Dudeness should also heed this suggestion from his hero.
fans aren't all in. I was as big an RR supporter as any and still think the guy is a good coach in a bad situation. But no matter who the coach is, the fan in me is always all in for Michigan.
Kindof a personal question (somewhat complicated by us being anonymous posters), but I'm curious if that makes you all in for Hoke.
Interested in hearing the journey of a hardcore RR fan and if you are now hardcore for Hoke. I understand many of the RR leans now love Hoke, but what of the die hards?
Being 100% behind RR and 100% behind Hoke are not mutually exclusive in my opinion... I wasn't happy with Rodriguez's treatment here or his dismissal, I really wasn't happy when we hired Brady Hoke, but he was so masterful in his introductory press conference - that did a lot to gain my confidence, the rest has come as a result of both our amazing recruiting class and the fact that Hoke is a bigger homer than me.
Should also include "No player..." and "No former player..." but that seems to be a bit much to ask of the alums from the last 20 years, or quitters from the last 5...
I fully supported the team for the past decade, despite some awful position coach and coordinator choices, and their mind-numbing play-calling. I support the team today. Don't ask that the yardstick becomes whether or not I support Hoke or any other coach...not supposed to work that way, right?
And as far as amazing recruiting classes, many HS players had their impressions of U-M set during earlier years, not just the past 6 months. Much like Tate Forcier having a good impression of U-M during the LC days, and signing on with RichRod, despite Tate's academic distress over the past year... Not to say Hoke hasn't made good of the opportunity in front of him, but let's not overstate how HS players get to the comfort level they have when they start making their selection known.
completely with your 100% theory. This is interesting for me to hear at this point, and I was hoping to hear that those fanatically loyal to RR are also so to Hoke. We all want to believe we've risen above differences. Actually, it's probably most exciting to me to see everyone getting excited about Michigan football together, no matter where the lines were drawn before.
The possibility of people setting aside their previous grievances and being won over by the performance of the new coach and/or a higher loyalty to the team interests me.
that's what you want to call it. Even after the bowl game loss, I though going forward that he was the best coach for Michigan, given his offensive strides. However, I could also understand why many thought it was his time to go (based on past performance, not necessairly expected future performance).
I still wouldn't say that I love Hoke, but he is making good progress getting alumni back in the fold and in recruiting. Until I see the team play the 1st game, I can't say I love Hoke. Anybody can "talk the talk".
Even now, I think RR is a good coach (better than Hoke), but the situation at Michigan was wrong for him and his poor results lead to his firing. I'm sure he'll end up as a HC next year, and I'll follow him out of curiosity, but my main love is Michigan, not the coach (whomever it is, unless the dude is awesome!).
I was a huge fan of RR and still am. I completely agree that he was a good coach that was handed a really terrible situation and was tossed to the wolves by the very people that were supposed to get behind him. I do find it extremely disingenuous for people that didn't back RR to now act as if everyone should get behind the head coach of Michigan football no matter who it is.
That said, I like Hoke as a person. He is very likable. I just don't think he is really the caliber of coach that UM needs to become a nationally elite program. There is a reason he was not the first choice and there is not another top tier program that would have even considered hiring him as a HC based on his resume. Having coached the defensive line at Michigan a long time ago and being familiar with traditions doesn't really enhance the merit portion of a HC's resume, it is a 'nice to have'. Mattison could be the saving grace of the entire process, but I think they should have showed RR the same courtesy of giving him a $650K budget to go get a top flight DC 2-3 years ago and I think we would be looking at a different situation.
Will Hoke make Michigan a nationally prominent program? He might, but in terms of probability I don't think he is the person that presents the greatest chnace of that happening. I love Lloyd CArr as a coach and as a man of character and how he represented the University, but I do think that by the end of his tenure that a predictable and somewhat basic level of scheming on both sides of the ball was catching up to the philosophy og here is what i am going to do, stop me. I fear that we are going back to an outdated brand of football that will see us being moderately successful in the Big10 during the regular season, occasionally winning it all, then praying for a favorable post-season match up against a team that doesn't have the ability to exploit us and make us look silly.
Furthermore, and I am just being honest about the type of football I like to watch, I find the 'manball' approach boring. I understand many of you do not, but I watch a lot of college football and there is a reason I would easily watch an Oregon, Clemson or Alabama game way before i would ever flip to a Wisconsin game.
Out of curiosity, have you ever watched a Hoke-coached team play? SDSU last year did not much resemble a Carr-coached team from a schematic standpoint.
Gary Moeller and Lloyd Carr were not clones of Bo Schembechler, and neither was Rich Rodriguez a clone of Don Nehlen (who himself was a former Schembechler assistant). I don't know why fans assume that Hoke is a carbon copy of Carr.
.....at SDSU and Ball State.
I am basing my fear and trepidation (/sarcasm) on:
-the lack of any real creative or innovative philosophy in the schemes at either SDSU or Ball state
-what I saw in the spring scrimmage (yes, i realize basic and early, but still)
-nearly everything I have heard about what they plan to do and how since they took over
I am not saying he is going to scheme exactly like Carr, but I do think it is entirely possible that he will be employing an outdated approach that depends on being able to out "manball" opponents and "blow them off the ball". I do not think it is realistici to belive you can win by doing that against teams that have an equal (or greater) amount of talent/muscle/speed. A team with that mentality is vulnerable to being out-schemed on a regular basis.
Gary Moeller threw the ball on 4th and 1 against ND because that's exactly what his mentor, Bo Schembechler, would have done in the same situation.
Brady Hoke coached under Lloyd Carr, therefore the only logical conclusion one can make is that Hoke will be an exact clone of Carr, just as Moeller was a exact duplicate of Bo.
Think of it like dating. You love who you are with. Sometimes it doesn't work out. You break up. You move on to the next one. You love the new one, but it doesn't make you love the previous one any less or more. It just didn't work out and you moved on. Now your loving every minute with the new one.
Unless you were dating Jim Tressell who lied to you and now you hate his guts. Oh wait, that's how a normal fan would react.
of Hoke as anyone. The 47-50 record scares me. However, he also turned 2 programs around, hired great coordinators, and is recruiting well. So yeah, that gives me plenty of reason for hope.
I was always a huge RR supporter, but now that he's gone I wish him happy trails & I'll definitely root for wherever he ends up next. However that being said I've been 100% behind Hoke for a few months now (His intro conference was a huge step, but I didn't really get fully behind him until he landed us the best linebacker class in the country)
Huh? How did Dudeness mock this? He put "Soft Edge". So? How does that imply anything?
It's a bit early to be drunk isn't it?
Lovin it. Wait, it's only August? I need some football...
How did you get to walk down the tunnel? I have always wanted to do that. I did the locker room tour 2 springs ago but they only let us abou a quarter of the way down the tunnel.
That looks much better than hard edge in my opinion.
Everytime I saw "Hard Edge," I couldn't help but thinking "watch out, don't bump your head here." Made no sense to me. This on the other hand is awesome.
I'm fired up to just to sit at my desk and reset user accounts all day! Nothing more inspirational than that 1 minute speech. NOTHING.
I get chills from watching that. Given the fact that I am still an M student, I unfortunately don't ever remember Bo coaching a game. However, the stories from my dad about Bo, and the things he did for Michigan, were enough for me to become a Michigan fan from a very young age. I got chills from Hoke's first press conference, and Hoke's whole demeanor reminds me exactly of this man.
In all honesty, do you think it's possible they pipe in Bo's speech into the tunnel as the team waits to take the field? maybe only for the last home game of the year or something? thanks for posting this pic! I think this is perfect.
They have used it as part of the scoreboard pregame hype video the last couple of years. Not sure if the players get to see that.
That is beautiful!
...but I'm not crazy about that choice of font.
Perhaps if they re-did the "GO BLUE" to match the new font the whole ensemble would look much better.
I'm not a fan of using fonts that feature M's with non-parallel line segments in athletic applications. Looks like it belongs on Broadway instead of at a stadium.
Huh, can't say that I thought about it that way. I am guessing your day job involves design in some shape or form (pun intended).
Well, I do have a degree in graphic arts and I'm also married to a graphic designer. We're always nitpicking design choices that corporations make when it comes to their graphics, signage, logos, etc. It's just something we do...
I'd like to learn more about the non-parallel line segments (I still dont quite see them), including why they bother us humans (something evolutionary maybe). But this is perhaps not the place or time. Anyway, I always envy someone who has in some way incorporated art into their career.
If you look at the vertical columns in a traditional Block 'M' ...
...you'll notice that they are exactly parallel to each other.
Now take a look at the vertical columns in this uppercase 'M', which is similiar to the one used on the signs in the tunnel...
...you should notice that they are splayed, or that they flare out at the bottom.
With regard to the psychology behind it all, unfortunately my degree was more focused on the production aspect of art than the components of its design. There is a certain science behind what colors to use, what type of fonts to use, and how to arrange it all on a page so that it evokes a certain response or feeling in the viewer. While I think I have a pretty good "feel" for it, I didn't take enough typography classes to truly understand this science of design. I know just enough to be dangerous.
As for incorporating art into my career, well, yeah, that didn't work out so well ... I'm an elementary school teacher now. I will admit, however, that the kids are constantly amazed by the displays, posters, diagrams, etc. that I am able to produce! :)
Very interesting. I now see what you were referring to - the top M looks stately and imposing, while the bottom looks somewhat doltish, or childlike.The bottom also interestingly looks like it could be from a horror movie, somewhat scary clown - ish.
Thanks for the education
I'd prefer the new lettering match the GO BLUE, but oh well
The font used is OPTIMA if anyone cares to recreate this in their own home...going down the stairs...like I may or may not plan on doing.
FWIW, that's the same font the Estee Lauder cosmetics company uses it in their branding.
I think it's great. The more it looks like it was drawn on there by some players in the '80s the better. As precise as everything has gotten, a more organic look is refreshing, especially for something like this that is meant to inspire. What would be terrible is if it's all done up like a successories poster. I would even lose the yellow border.
Nothing about that font choice says "drawn on there by some players in the '80's" but that's probably just me.
Brady Hoke questions the toughness of this comment..
SOOOOOOOOOO GLAD This was fixed in time for the opener.
Awesome. I like it.
Love it. Really cool.
I really like it. New paint job to start the new era of Michigan football under Coach Hoke.
If there's one thing I take away from this thread, it's the fact that I wish the "ALL IN!" catchphrase would be taken out to pasture and put out of its misery.
If there's two things I take away from this thread, it's that I rather like the new tunnel motif.
Personally, I never much cared for that "Hard Edge" nonsense. And I say that as the hardest-edge Rodriguez supporter this side of the Detroit Free Press. I'm glad it's gone from the tunnel.
And "The Team, the Team, the Team," has real history and real Michigan meaning behind it. You of all people don't need that reminder from me. So that's all good.
"ALL IN" is not going away; if only for the reason that it is so emblematic of what was wrong with Michigan (not Rodriguez) when Rodriguez was here. We weren't All In, and that was Michigan's fault. it ought to be a reminder; a cautionary tale.
"all in" really is the litmus test for the whole Michigan community while RR was here. You hit the nail on the head.
From today's MGoBlog home page. Thank you, Tim:
The first thing Denard said to Brady was "Coach, I'm all-in."
RR's advice to Denard. It shows a lot of character to advise a player to be all in for the next coach.
I agree about the "all in" phrase it bugs me. It just feels like its trying to bring in poker players or something.
That said I love the new tunnel paint job.
Something tells me this was more Brandon than Hoke, but I could be wrong. Either way I love it. Much better than Hard Edge. Is Hold the Rope in the locker room gone as well.
Neighbor is great friends with the dad of a recruit who was there Sunday. Apparently as mentioned with the tunnel art, there are frick'n clocks everywhere in the locker rooms counting down various opponents.
can't wait for the season to start
Those kids are so lucky to run out of that tunnel. Awesome Awesome Awesome post and pic.
..& this just seems perfect. My initial reaction was, why did it take so long to do this?
Does anyone have a pic of the Rose Bowl door? (it too is beautiful in my mind)
I think I just had a Michi-gasm.
I got to say this is SO much better than Hard Edge.
But, I still want them to move that huge PVC pipe that was installed after the stadium expansion. It is blocking the GO BLUE.
Yes,reroute pvc and enlarge the script so that the last "The Team" is as large as possible.
This is Awesome! How could you not be "Sky High coming out that tunnel?
Would love to get a framed print! This to me,tells everyone who we are.
Do we have confirmation that this is real...?
Ann Arbor.com just posted an article about it, which leads you to a pic (sorry don't know how to embed): http://twitpic.com/5zvgaa
This is great, a great tone to set every game!
In comparing it to the old photo, it looks like the 'GO BLUE' may have been repainted as well. I know this picture is from a slightly different perspective, but the 'O' seems a little wider in the old one, plus you can barely see the 'G'...