Taylor Lewan Under Investigation For Assault
AnnArbor.com/MLive have confirmed yesterday's report by Bucknuts.com that Taylor Lewan is under investigation by the Ann Arbor Police Department for his possible role in a fight outside the Brown Jug the evening of the Ohio State game. While they're not going as far as the Bucknuts story, it looks like this might have some legs.
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2013/12/police_investigat…
Police confirmed Lewan, a projected NFL first-round draft pick, was in the area of a fight involving Ohio State University fans about 12:30 a.m. Dec. 1 in the 1200 block of South University Avenue, but his level of involvement had not been determined as of Dec. 23.
Lewan has not been arrested and no charges have been filed in the incident. Police confirmed an investigation is taking place into the incident, but would not confirm any further details into the incident.
December 24th, 2013 at 8:04 PM ^
It goes both ways. I think you are taking his words out of context. Even the people involved may have different perceptions of what happened. That is frequently the case and why you are allowed to have a jury that is supposedly unbiased.
December 24th, 2013 at 8:36 PM ^
Of course it goes both ways, I wasn't trying to say that Gibbons definitely raped someone or that Lewan definitely threatened her, but to say there was no victim because there were no charges filed as if it's a matter of fact is just asinine. None of us know what happened that night, myself included
December 24th, 2013 at 8:17 PM ^
Rape victim or not?
There was an allegation of rape and there was an allegation of a hate crime, three students were sumarily suspended from their university, their coach was forced to resign, and the AD cancelled the rest of their season. There was no trial and adjudication.
December 24th, 2013 at 8:41 PM ^
I never said that gibbons and lewan are guilty of anything; I said that it's dumb to definitively claim that there was no victim because no charges were filed. The fact is that none of us know what happened, and the guy to whom I replied definitively stated that nothing happened. Since he can't possibly know that for a fact, I called him out on it
December 24th, 2013 at 8:41 PM ^
..."he threatened the complaining witness..." That way, there is no unwarranted presumption that there was a "rape" (never charged, and certainly never proven) and no "victim" (isn't there a "perpetrator" for every "victim"?)
But oh hell, why not let's just go with the straight-up fact that Lewan, by all reasonable accounts didn't "threaten" anybody at any time. Lewan was pissed off that his teammate was being accused of a very serious crime. One that for whatever reason, Lewan seems to have known was a bullshit allegation. And for all that I know -- with no chareges aver having been referred for prosecution -- Lewan was exactly right and knew all along that he was right. So he was pissed off. And in a moment of candid anger, to friends, and not the complaining witness, said words to the effect that 'if she presses charges I'll rape her because [my teammate] didn't.'
December 24th, 2013 at 11:42 PM ^
...that's what a gentlemen would say?
Unfortunately, the truth of the allegations will probably never be known. But I count myself among those disappointed that Lewan's skills as an athlete don't seemed to be matched by his comportment and leadership.
December 25th, 2013 at 2:07 AM ^
I'm pretty sure that until someone is convicted, the correct term is always "alleged victim."
December 24th, 2013 at 7:01 PM ^
or UM staff making charges. Lewan is always to be believed? Sex was had between
Gibbons and a UM student-athlete. Several reported Lewan's threat against her. Lewan is a sociopath. He has all the characteristics.
December 25th, 2013 at 6:54 PM ^
I love you S1, but I am going to call you out on your use here of semantics. You're skewering the guy for leaving out the word "alleged." So hey, I just did it for him. And the things Taylor allegedly said to the alleged victim of the alleged sexual assault were the kinds of things that you'd be ashamed of if it were your son, to say the least. Gibbons was never charged, obviously. But I'm sure you've read it (the redacted police report). EDIT: you were right in your response, above- not said directly to her, but conveyed to her (please don't get me down in the weeds on "conveyed," counsel; it's Christmas, and I'm not working today, you shouldn't be either).
December 25th, 2013 at 11:44 PM ^
EDIT: you were right in your response, above- not said directly to her, but conveyed to her (please don't get me down in the weeds on "conveyed," counsel; it's Christmas, and I'm not working today, you shouldn't be either).
So yeah, that is exactly what I was going to say in reply. Perusing the world of Lewan-haters on the internet, it seemed to me that about half the illiterate world somehow had gotten the notion that Lewan was a fugitive rapist, and the other half (with a merely dangerous level of reading comprehension) somehow thought that Lewan had contacted the witness directly and made a direct threat to her safety and well being.
So yeah, I think that what I wrote was sarcastic, and dismissive... and exactly right.
In no way did Lewan "theaten" that woman. At least in no way that any sensible person would understand it. He never spoke to her, never emailed her and never contacted her in any other way that I know of. By all known accounts including the police report, Lewan didn't know what she even looked like.
December 26th, 2013 at 9:36 AM ^
Did he admit to saying it, to anyone? Yes.
That is enough for me.
December 24th, 2013 at 8:00 PM ^
I think that is far from being proven. Most posters have given opinions. You've crossed the line to state that an allegation, for which there were no charges, is true.
December 24th, 2013 at 8:48 PM ^
You're a fool making claims based on rumors.
December 24th, 2013 at 7:44 PM ^
I didn't ready all of the posts on this thread, so I apologize if it's been covered already.
December 24th, 2013 at 10:03 PM ^
I noticed reading through that Bucknuts article was the age of "the victims". I'm pretty sure it mentioned that one of the guys that was "attacked" was 29 years old. It just doesn't pass the smell test...A couple of Ohio degenerates that are quite a bit older than the typical 18-24 crowd you'd see decide to get hammered and stroll through downtown AA to run their yaps to Wolverine fans. After "tripping over a 3 1/2 foot fence" as an above poster pointed out, one guy somehow manages to get socked not once, but twice when he is quite a ways down the street....like after the first punch (that you somehow survived) you'd try your luck by hanging around to get smashed AGAIN? I'm not the kind of guy to back away from a fight, but lets be honest with ourselves here. 6'8, 308 lbs and probably incoherent/rowdy due to the booze does not add up to a winnable fight in my book. This whole story is rigged, it can't possibly have went down that way. These morons want to sue Taylor and try collecting a fee when he turns pro, that has to be what is going on here.
December 24th, 2013 at 10:08 PM ^
Great points.
And I hope those 2 punches left a permanent mark.
December 24th, 2013 at 10:15 PM ^
By their play on the field. If you think some alleged bar fight has anything to do with being a football team captain, you just don't know a thing about team sports. Mind you, Lewan is 22 and I don't recall making the best decisions myself at that age. And if he did blast some OSU dbag in the face, I guarantee you the guy deserved it, and I'd be smiling ear to ear if I find out it's true. Judge me all you want, I don't give a shit, but that's how I feel.
December 25th, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^
Taylor Lewan after practice -- "I didn't hit anybody". More later on this re recent allegations/police probe
— angelique (@chengelis) December 25, 2013
Lewan said he was not going to get into details but: "I wasn't in any fight, I didn't hit anybody I was really trying to break up something"
— angelique (@chengelis) December 25, 2013
December 25th, 2013 at 10:11 PM ^
We are becoming everything that we used to hate. When we used to say that we were Michigan men we actually had a leg to stand on. We had high standards, a mostly classy fan base, and a competitive team. Over the past decade all of that has changed. Our team sucks (and probably will continue to suck for the foreseeable future) our players are no different than any other players, and our fan base is turning in to a bunch of 12 year old brats with a completely false sense of entitlement.
I mean really. When was the last time that we were even remotely relevant on a national level in college football?
Lewan is a bad dude. Anyone who denies that is a total idiot.
Our program is now mediocre. We are playing in a December bowl sponsored by a wing joint and some folks are actually proud of it.
We are maybe the 5th best program in the big 10 right now and I honestly have serious doubts about where we will ever be what we used to be.
The good old days have come to an end...
December 26th, 2013 at 3:09 AM ^
I would buy him a beer and thank him for playing his senior season. He risked injury this pas season giving up his first round NFL draft in January! He stayed for his degree and he thought playing for Michigan was more valuable then NFL cash! To me that showed his true devotion to Michigan. I think he's a great leader and did a great job despite having young interior lineman. I also believe Lewan over some drunk buck nuts!
December 26th, 2013 at 11:11 AM ^
if in fact thats where they ended up, checked their blood alchohol levels