Are you talking about football recently or what?
The nutty Michigan coverage isn't so much about Harbaugh as it is a signal to the Big Ten that Fox wants to party.
Are you talking about football recently or what?
I just keep wondering, since you called them "pussy's" in the possessive, if there is some mysterious individual actually named "pussy" that would claim ownership of these fools, or perhaps you meant it in a philosophical sense. That just being heterosexual males, and considering all we do for the "pussy" as one giant singular theoretical collective of poon, we are figuratively "owned" by it. Hmm. We may never know.
Next year. I am seriously down to put all of the talk aside and get a massive group of Wolverines together to take over their bars in C-bus. Let's face it, their hostility towards us has kept us out of that city. Until we prove we are not afraid to follow our team in the road to C-bus and make a statement they will continue to have the upper hand psychologically.
Afraid? Who the hell is afraid? Just because I choose not to drink from a toilet bowl doesn't make me afraid too!
I was at Columbus in 2012 for the game. Dressed in all maize and blue and went to bars and restaurants and none of those Bucknuts did a damn thing. And you better believe I'll be back there in 2014.
w/physicality and toughness
Make sure you execute
It's all about pad level.
I'll be there. If they're going to bring 25K to Ann Arbor every other year, we need to start doing the same in Columbus.
Michigan trying to invade an opposing team stadium. When was the last time that happened?
I am in. Sounds like the News Team Brawl, only if I can use a trident like Brick Tamland
Go get 'em, Patton Oswalt.
they realize he punched osu fans, they fit in that punch a pedo and your innocent category.
I'll be thankful once Lewan is gone. Too much smoke around this kid for my liking. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Me too - something's not right with this boy.
this is not the kind of leadership this team needs. Leadership is one area Michigan was poor in this year.
How the hell do we know leadership was poor for Michigan this season? We werent in the locker room, at practice, or on the field for games this year... Now I am not saying that we had good leadership, bc I don't know. But to just say we had poor leadership without any reason is stupid.
have to be in the locker room to notice the lack of leadership on the team this year, it was evident all over the football field.
To give him some credit, Taylor did say after Akron, UCONN, PSU and MSU'S that the Seniors (including himself) were doing a piss-poor job at leading.
The Bucknuts story sounds damning, but it leaves open a lot of questions. If this was an unprovoked assault outside of a bar with the accused standing next to the police while being identified by the victims why were there no arrests. Bucknuts implies that the Ann Arbor cops just wanted to protect Lewan. That doesn't make sense for many reasons including the following:
1. The A2 Cops have filed charges against Darryl Stonum, Marlin Jackson, Brian Griese, and Red Berenson in past years -- why would their policy change for Lewan
2. Also, the A2 cop would face internal discipline, public criticism and the department potential liability for doing nothing to investigate an assault if the facts were clear, whereas hauling the accused off to the city hall to be processed and possibly held over night would cost them nothing.
3. There were apparently a lot of people out that night. We've heard nothing from any of them. If it really happened in such a public place and it was clear that Lewan was involved, it would amazing if no one put it on Facebook or Twitter.
Any number of things are possible, but I think without charges being filed or anything else concrete taking any action against Lewan would be premature.
One other factor is a bit difficult to swallow. If you're a police officer and you want to "protect" a person from charges you do not hang out with them and keep them on the scene of the incident. You tell them that things will go best for them if they slip away and get out of the public eye for the rest of the night. Because they will. It's really hard to believe that a cop would want to cover for Lewan, but not know this basic tactic.
Which makes parts of the Bucknuts story hard to believe. (Beyond the simple fact that it's a BuckNuts story, which seems to be a not-credible source.)
In any event, it will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. I hope that Lewan is not guilty of anything wrong here, but I hope much more that the A2PD is not giving UofM athletes free passes where members of the general public would not get the same. If Lewan really cold-cocked this fan, then he deserves to be punished the same as anyone else would.
Final note - if a cop decides to not make an arrest after a bar fight it does not necessarily imply dereliction of duty. Police officers have discretion to let things slide based on their experience and the circumstances of an offense. Quick bar fights are prime examples of this, especially if there are no serious injuries (b/c usually both combatants are about equally guilty). Not every incident merits an arrest, even if punches are thrown.
yawn. Sounds like a typical Saturday night in Ann Arbor. Guess what if you went to a bar on a Saturday, then you were in the area of a bar fight. Sounds like bucknut hearsay. nonstory
There's an argument to be made for "boys will be boys/football players in fights since dawn of fights". That's fine. You can make that argument.
There's also an argument to be made for 22 years old is no longer "young and dumb" excuse territory. Especially for someone that is supposed to be a leader and captain of a varsity college team and heading to the NFL.
I don't fault anyone for arguing the former, but I would hope at Michigan we have more people arguing the latter.
In fact, I'm not too upset/worried about the fight part of it. What in Lewan's mind made him think it was a good idea to head out to the Jug after that game? That's not the greatest judgment in the world. Perhaps that's a night you just chill with your housemates and kill a 30 rack.
Don't forget, the night of the MSU loss (IIRC), Taylor was behind the bar serving up drinks at the Heidelberg. Twitter was exploding with "Taylor Lewan just poured me a beer" stories, as well as a few less flattering accounts that made him sound like a jackass...
Right. Plus, this is not the first police investigation Lewan has been a part of. I mentioned the previous one, but removed it after I decided I wasn't conveying my point well. And my point was simply that: That Lewan has been involved with several police investigations now.
My 70 year old Mom went to a UofM game in Ohio wearing her Michigan Coat. Two guys in a group of 10 yelled go bucks at her. She yelled Go Blue back. They promptly threw two beers on her. None in the group did a thing but laughed. I will always believe a majority of them are dirt.
That's go time invitation here in the GWN.
Are you serious? 1 on 10? Must be a lotta folks dying up there in Canada from blunt force trauma after getting mob-beaten. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor.
This is a fan-base that was/is proud of Marcus Hall's actions after being ejected for his role in a fight...
A fan-base that views Woody Hayes, a grown man renowned for sideline tantrums and punching an opposing player, as a deity.
I think we all know damn well that if this were ANY OSU player, their fanbase would largely respond "I'm glad he did!" This is by no means an endorsement of Lewan's alleged actions. I just find it rather humorous to see how sentiments change once tables are turned.
They certainly do seem to be the type of bunch that embraces fights and is awfully proud of that fact, but now that they're the ones on the receiving end they are crying about it.
All true on their fan base Dub. Tressel lies to the NCAA and they carry him off the field as a hero. They have sepsis from the top down.
Taking a look around this topic will show a number of Michigan fans who are acting in the exact same way as you are describing.
I think the saying about glass houses applies in this situation...
So an over 21 year old college student cannot go out for drinks on the Weekend! Accusations from a couple of drunk OSU fans doesn't really show proof that Lewan was involved.
Even in metro Kansas City when I've went with friends to watch Michigan games we would run into rude and obnoxious buck nut fans! I'm too old and too responsible to get into bar fights but a few of the bucknut fans came close one night getting me in self defense mode!
like why was Taylor outside in a short-sleeve shirt in below freezing weather?
Maybe he was emulating Brady Hoke?
anyone knows that red shirts aren't long for this world. </starTrekNerdOut>
perhaps you are emulating an asshat?
I have seen plenty of college kids underdressed when they go out this time of year. Most of them are 110 pound girls not 300 pound men.
Yeah, you read the Bucknuts report and it is a slew of "I was just minding my own business" and "everyone around us was ignoring the facts". It just reads like a couple of idiots who got drunk, probably got into a fight, and then are trying to piece together a juicy story for some stupid reason. I'm sure Taylor Lewan is not above getting into bar fights, but the facts surrounding this circumstance are extremely suspect.
And more generally, can people around here stop acting piously about incidents like this. People who want to believe that Lewan is somehow a major cause of this season's struggles will point to this as proof he is a thug, despite little evidence that "leadership" was the major missing ingredient during the year. People who unabashedly love UM act like Lewan was in the UGLi all night and wasn't anywhere near the incident.
When I was at UM, you'd hear stories about random linemen and safeties knocking guys out at random parties, the famous tales of Griese stumbling out of bars, etc., and I guess I just took it as par for the course. LOTS of college students get into fights, get drunk, etc. at times, but because they are 5'10" and 175lbs and are History majors nobody cares. Girls will rip hair out of each other's heads and you don't see it on the news. But for some reason, a bunch of massive guys who are easily singled out by rowdy drunks get treated like morally bankrupt criminals because they don't walk away every time. It just seems silly to me, and that isn't the same as condoning it.
This particular story seems incredibly illogical and silly; doesn't mean similar events have occurred and will occur in the future with other players. With the calendar turning hopefully 2014 will be a bit better for UM faithful, but the "concerned fandom" act some are portraying should be left in 1960, er 2013, where it belongs.
I really don't care. They guy got in a bar fight. His season is over in less than a week and off to the NFL he goes. This won't change his draft status.
As a fanbase the Buckeyes have zero credibility. Most will lie to themselves and others to justify their idiocy. No charges have been filed because either others have not corroborated the bucknut's story or their are too many inconsistencies. Maybe the drunk bucknut just fell off his cooler and hit his own face and Lewan, in the vicinity, laughed at him.
Anyone remember when some guy accused Marlin Jackson of hitting him in the face with a bottle? Didn't have any evidence to back it up. Everyone that was there backed Marlin's side of the story. But it didn't stop the guy from dragging his name through the mud for a while before backing off and dropping the charges.
Well, the guy then popped back up right before the NFL Draft to start making the accusations again and he filed a civil case against Marlin. Marlin fought back and won defimation case against the guy and was awarded more than $200,000.
The moral of the story is obvious, but that doesn't mean people know that story. Wouldn't be surprised at all if someone targeted a future NFLer in a bid to get rich quick. Especially if it was a drunk OSU fan targeting a Michigan player.
Wasn't there. Don't know what happened. But this is just what popped into my head as I read the Bucknuts article and how it differed from more reputable sources. Even if you didn't know what Taylor Lewan looked like, uhhh, he is 6-8, 300+ pounds. Kind of stands out a bit.
You know nobody on the team took him seriously? I get that he's a bit of a hothead, but unless you know something more than most I don't see how you can assume the struggles of this team were due to a lack of leadership and, I don't know, a misguided offensive philosophy, poor recruiting, and stunted player development in addition to other issues.
Don't be obtuse. That's not what he was saying at all, and you know it. What he's saying is that he has been on campus the past 4 years, or has spoken to people who have, including those in the athletic department, and the general consensus is that Lewan is a bit of a jerk who parties too much for the taste of some of his teammates. You don't buy it, that's cool, but don't twist what he's saying.
Ohio State fans report "assault" by high-profile Michigan player? I'm suuuure they're being 100% honest and above board.
David Brandon just mumbled something about "Rodriguez recruits"