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October 30th, 2012 at 3:17 PM | I think in your OP you're honestly hopeful for them. (Score:1 Normal)
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So I didn't want to slam you for it.  Wasn't my intent. I guess what I'm saying is you've seen one guy as a redshirt freshman for really one half, and you can tell me how many games you've seen Shane play to judge his sideline demeanor, because I haven't seen any.  So I don't think I could assess their major personality characteristics, but it's entirely possible you've seen a lot more of them than I have.

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October 31st, 2012 at 10:38 AM | Shane's numbers (Score:0 Trolling)
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...are cautionarily pedestrian, given his 5-star rating and the level of HS talent around him.  Even when he plays outside the Catholic League Central Division, he doesn't light it up like one would expect.

Yes, Shane has good mechanics and throws a great ball, but we have no idea how good of a decision maker he will be at the D-1 level or if he will crack under pressure on the big stage.  Let's not annoint the kid until we've seen him play a few games for Michigan.

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:19 AM | Russ didn't play well, he (Score:4 Normal)
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Russ didn't play well, he knows that, and doesn't need anyone to tell him as much.  The good news, however, is that failure, when used properly, is perhaps the best tool for long term improvement.  Make no mistake about it, Russ WILL improve significantly as a result of his experience in the Nebraka game. 

Anyone one that doesn't understand this, and is anything but supportive of the kid, is being unreasonable. 

Bravo Taylor!

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:22 AM | Everyone doing his job here. (Score:1)
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Left tackle defends his qb, qb takes the credit or the blame, fans either worship or crucify. No middle ground allowed in any of these situations.

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:30 AM | QB takes the (Score:4 Normal)
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QB takes the credit/blame.....except when you're Jay Cutler. 

 

The swag is back. 

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:29 AM | Bellomy needs to take a spin (Score:1)
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Bellomy needs to take a spin on the twosie or on Magnusson's unicycle. That will do some wonders for his confidence

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:30 AM | This coming from the "best" (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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This coming from the "best" lineman off an average line. Once he stops making stupid penalties, I'll take him more serious.

BTN broadcast guy talking about Nik Stauskas~" He is the best import since Molson"

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:38 AM | Wow, really? (Score:5 Normal)
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Wow, really?

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:48 AM | and you are. . . (Score:2 Normal)
MGlobules
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Bronco Nagurski? I heard he was syntactically challenged as well. 

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:56 AM | I've never used this line but (Score:3 Normal)
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I've never used this line but LOL WUT?  I think a lineman can properly be considered great when he's projected to be a first round NFL draft pick.

Regardless, football skill has nothing to do with emotionally supporting a teammate.  I would respect the comments from Lewan as much as if they were coming from the backup waterboy.  Stop being obtuse.

 

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:39 AM | Someone got to take the (Score:-1 Trolling)
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Someone got to take the blame. Because that whole situation was beyond pathetic

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:43 AM | How so? I realize that it (Score:4 Normal)
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How so? I realize that it was ugly, but no matter the level, an inexperienced back up QB coming in, on the road, is almost NEVER a good situation. If you expected more, frankly, you're a delusional moron -- no offense.

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October 30th, 2012 at 12:01 PM | Exactly (Score:2)
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Unfortunately I couldn't watch the game, but I knew we were screwed once I saw Bellomy's name in the stats line and that Fitz wasn't having a big game. I don't think Gardner would have done much better under the circumstances. Frankly, I was worried about this game with Denard (although I think we could have won).

Taylor is also handling this in precisely the right way. You and I can be assholes about it and it doesn't make all that much of a difference. Bellomy's teammates, though, are a different matter entirely. If they're not supporting him and Denard misses any more time, this has the potential to sink the season.

Where's Charlie Bauman when you need him?

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October 30th, 2012 at 3:26 PM | If Bellomy is not too blame, (Score:0 Flamebait)
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If Bellomy is not too blame, then who is? Is it Hoke, for not having an adequate backup for when Denard got hurt? Is it Borges for not calling a game to fit Bellomys strengths? Idk who is to blame. But the only thing I know was what happened was not acceptable. Denard has probably left at least 10 games in the past, so you knew it had potential to happen again. So knowing that, we still had NO game plan.

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October 30th, 2012 at 7:19 PM | Who is "too" blame is not the point of the OP. (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't think anyone stated that Lewan stood up for Bellomy, and that because he did that, no one was to blame. Assign blame to Hoke if it makes your head hurt less. It isn't going to change anything in any way, shape, or manner.

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October 30th, 2012 at 7:35 PM | Why does there always have to (Score:4 Normal)
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Why does there always have to be someone to "blame?"  Further, why was it, "unacceptable" and what does that even mean?  Lastly, why do you think there was, "NO game plan?"  It seemed to me that there was a very distinct plan, it just wasn't executed very well by the QB, all five OLinemen, the TE's, the RB's, and the WR's -- you know, the TEAM?!?  Blocked were missed, blitzes weren't picked up, passes were dropped and poorly thrown.

How did Borges not call a game that fit Bellomy's strengths?  How was Bellomy not "adequate?"  Everything point you made is made with the benefit of hindsight.  Unfortunately, while the game is going, and Denard is laying on the turf, the coaches and players have no such benefit.  Listen to what Borges said -- the environment into which Bellomy was thrust CANNOT be simulated in practice.  He knows the plays, he's executed them in practice, but he's never executed them in front of a Sea of Red and 11 opposing defensive players hell bent on ripping his head off.  Unfortunately, the only way to learn how you're going to react in that situation is to actually, you know, be in that situation. 

Quit trying to assign blame for everything that happens.  Sometimes, things just don't go your way, deal with it.

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:48 AM | Alright, (Score:2 Funny)
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man up. 

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:51 AM | Not really (Score:3 Normal)
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Sometimes shit just happens

Relax.

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:55 AM | And thank you for being the one to prove his point. (Score:5 Normal)
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2 days 13 hoursago Fuck you Bellamy , you are

Fuck you Bellamy , you are god awful

 

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:57 AM | And thank you for that (Score:2 Normal)
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And thank you for that call-out.  Dammit for not feeling able to issue retroactive trips to Bolivian.

 

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October 30th, 2012 at 12:02 PM | Is that really a rule? (Score:1)
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Not that it matters...if you were issuing trips for what was said on Saturday night, a third of the board would be going south for the winter.

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October 30th, 2012 at 12:25 PM | I don't think there are (Score:1)
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I don't think there are really any technical rules, at least not written.  But, FWIW, I would never retroactively dock points like that and I don't think anyone ever would.  Although, our (or just my?) tolerance of idiocity (made-up word) is definitely reduced during post-loss weeks.

 

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October 30th, 2012 at 12:34 PM | Come on profitgoblue, I know (Score:5 Normal)
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Come on profitgoblue, I know you want to. Give in, join the darkside.

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:49 AM | People who diss college kids doing their best for M (Score:2 Normal)
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need to get a life in a hurry--fandom, for a lot of people, means taking the ugly for a walk in public, without a leash. But it was unfortunate that we didn't have another QB to try when it became evident early that Bellomy was struggling. 

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:53 AM | This kid is going to be fine. (Score:1)
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Coming in and running a plan for Denard's  strengths is defferent than coming in and running a plan for Bellomy's strengths.  If the recievers had caught a pass or 2 his day would have went different.  If the line was blocking and he had time things would be different.  This isn't a 2008 QB forest fire.  A good tallented QB put into a bad situation is likely to look bad.  

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:58 AM | Tuff spot (Score:1)
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Bellomy was in a tuff spot, ya he played poorly but I think most red shirt fresman would have, people do need to lay off the KID.

 

It was 6 - 14 I believe and Bellomy launched a bomb to Roudtree, had him in stride for a TD Roundtree dove and just missed it, catchable ball though...it was a solid pass. If that catch is made for the TD could have been a completely different game.  

Go Blue!

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October 30th, 2012 at 12:08 PM | Fairness (Score:2 Normal)
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Criticizing play calling totally fair. Questioning the kids integrity and heart, not at all. They are adults who carry the load of preparation guidelines. Im way more concerned about Devin not taking enough reps at QB. Thats a massive coaching mistake IMO.

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October 30th, 2012 at 12:56 PM | Good. That's exactly what (Score:2)
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Good. That's exactly what Lewan is supposed to say.  It's kind of hard for a lineman to block for someone they don't have any faith in.  Also, it's kind of  difficult for a defense to respect the pass when a quarterback's own teammates don't have his back..

However, as a fan, I reserve the right for my own opinion, and my opinion is that I don't trust Bellomy under center as much as he doesn't seem to trust his own skills that got him a free ride at one of the most storied programs in the country.  Say what you will, but Bellomy isn't the first young kid to be thrown out on the field surrounded by adversity and a sea of raucous opposing fans.  Many kids that have excelled on that kind of stage (or atleast did better than 3/16 with 3 picks) were ones that at one point were not deemed good enough to wear maize n' blue.  But hey, I'd love for Lewan and Bellomy to prove me wrong next time around.

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October 30th, 2012 at 3:00 PM | So, you're going to trust or not trust Bellomy.. (Score:3 Normal)
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based on one 2nd half performance, on the road, in his first non-mop up opportunity to play?  You must be an extremely astute judge of football talent and future potential.  Personally, I'm going to give him at least one more chance.  I'm guessing he's going to do much better his 2nd time. 

"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans!  Now go out there and make it happen!"

- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22  OSU 0)

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October 30th, 2012 at 3:49 PM | You don't have to be a talent scout to have an opinion. (Score:2)
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I'd expect a Michigan quarterback, whether in his first true game experience or not, to do better than 3/16, 3 picks and bunch of other fundamental mistakes that a JV high school QB would get chastised over.  Also, he didn't look pretty in his limited mop up playing time either, so I'm sensing a bit of a trend.  So, do I trust him? No.  But I trust our coaches.  So, if they decide to not give DG more reps at QB during practice and think Bellomy can perform on a level fitting for the maize n' blue when the time comes, well than I have no choice but to go with the flow.  I can't imagine that he won't improve, but I'll still cringe when it gets on the field until he proves otherwise.

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October 30th, 2012 at 6:37 PM | It happens (Score:3 Normal)
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Steve Smith in his first start in 1981: 3 of 18 for 38 yards with three interceptions. He was more of a runner than a passer but he ended up being a three-year starter.

Rick Leach in his first start* in 1975: 2 of 10 for 34 yards with 3 interceptions. Leach again was more of a runner than a passer but he was a four-year starter.

*Or his first action. He may or may not have started the game, but he was the full-time starter very quickly.

Where's Charlie Bauman when you need him?

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October 31st, 2012 at 10:32 AM | He was the starter. (Score:1)
cps2010
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There's an interesting discussion of this on "The Schembechler Years" video.  (90 minutes, must-own, imo.)

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October 30th, 2012 at 7:24 PM | and there in lies your (Score:5 Normal)
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and there in lies your problem -- expectations are very dangerous, and only lead to misery.

Sing to the colors that float in the light;
Hurrah for the Yellow and Blue!
 

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October 30th, 2012 at 1:25 PM | Redshirt freshman... (Score:2)
catatomic
Joined: 01/14/2009
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That's a lot of pressure, in a tough environment. Let's hope we don't get a bigger sample size, but I'm loathe to judge him on just this game.

Hopefully we have some plays in our pocket if this happens again and opposing defenses blitz everyone up the middle because they saw that game.

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October 30th, 2012 at 1:32 PM | I dont blame bellomy, he's a (Score:1)
Bb011
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I dont blame bellomy, he's a redshirt freshman that hasn't played much and was thrown in a huge game. The guy was in over his head. But the fact of the matter is that he was in over his head, which is not good for your backup qb.

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October 30th, 2012 at 1:42 PM | The expectation is for the (Score:1 Normal)
ohio
Joined: 09/04/2011
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The expectation is for the position. We've heard this a million times. Russ plays Quarterback. For Michigan.

Columbus bred, but home is where the heart is.

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October 30th, 2012 at 7:01 PM | I feel like I'm watching the (Score:5 Normal)
Run 2 Daylight
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I feel like I'm watching the Charlie Brown Thanksgiving Special all over again. How is Russell the only one getting ripped on for this? It takes two players to complete a pass. Nobody played well at the skill positions. Nobody blocked well enough to handle Nebraska's pressure. You've got to catch the ball when it's thrown to you on target. Their passive performance is even worse when you consider the fact that the back up QB had come in. Help him out. Russell was ready to go at the start of the second half.

The worst thing about this game wasn't that Russell didn't have a great game, it's that no one had any idea what to do after Denard went out and the defense decided to stop playing passively. Maybe we've figured out why Notre Dame, Michigan State, Alabama, and Virginia Tech completely shut down our offense. Nobody knows how to operate when someone plays them straight up instead of being out there to just stop Denard. 

Go Blue!

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October 30th, 2012 at 7:37 PM | Exactly.  Where were the (Score:3 Normal)
UMgradMSUdad
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Exactly.  Where were the backs, the receivers, the OL during all this? Yes, Bellomy had a horrible game, but who was there to lighten the load?  The RB's not getting any yards. The receivers are dropping balls.  The OL are missing or not sustaining blocks.  The OC doesn't seem to have planned well for this eventuality of Denard getting hurt (and maybe some of this is even on Denard--maybe he still has so many problems to work out that Bellomy isn't getting as many reps in practice that the back up to a three year senior starter should be getting).  Let's face it, the offense has been getting by on the sheer grit and athleticism of Denard Robinson.  Without him, there's not much to go on.  I almost hope Brian doesn't do the UFR for the offense in this game, because it's not going to look pretty for anyone.

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October 30th, 2012 at 2:09 PM | I didn't like when Lloyd (Score:2 Normal)
Nosce Te Ipsum
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I didn't like when Lloyd defended Navarre because it always made me hate Navarre even more, but I like this. Teammates have a responsibility to stick up for one another because if they don't have your six who does?

Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis.

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October 30th, 2012 at 3:19 PM | Huh, what? (Score:1 Normal)
M-Wolverine
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Huh, what?

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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October 30th, 2012 at 2:11 PM | I respect Lewan's position, and he should defend his quarterback (Score:2 Normal)
ontarioblue
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But, that doesn't mean we can't be critical of a player who seriously looked terrified and was way over his head.

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October 30th, 2012 at 2:15 PM |   Most of us with his right (Score:1)
BeantownWolverine
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Most of us with his right mind is blaming coaches, not the poor kid who was thrown into a bad bad situation.

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October 30th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | I understand the sentiment... (Score:1 Normal)
bo_lives
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but let's be honest here, Bellomy looked like an innaccurate quarterback with a weak arm who makes poor decisions. Perhaps it was a product of "the atmosphere," not having experience, blah blah blah... but at the end of the day there were zero positives to take from his performance, so it's hard to expect that people shouldn't be critical. As for personally attacking him or theatening his person that is indefensible. But as far as his gameplay and his abilities as a quarterback, he looked awful. No question.

"That's right. It's an off-tackle play. It's coming right over you. And there's not a thing you can do about it."

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October 30th, 2012 at 2:41 PM | Michigan football page on facebook (Score:2 Normal)
UMxWolverines
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You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany of even your own team's fans.

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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October 30th, 2012 at 2:49 PM | Stopped checking that years ago (Score:1)
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Couldn't deal with scrolling through hundreds of nonsensical conversations to find one interesting bit of info.

Bo' Money Bo' Problems

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October 30th, 2012 at 11:11 PM | probably (Score:1)
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auburns page

"Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL classes are POINTLESS,"  Carale Jones

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October 30th, 2012 at 2:54 PM | Lewan is right on (Score:1 Normal)
True Blue Grit
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Anyone who makes a personal attack or hating comment on a college kid trying to do his best while juggling classes, practice,  and some semblance of a social life, needs to grow up bigtime.  They won't always be successful on the field and that's something we all need to accept.   In the case of Bellomy, I'd further say that for at least part of the 2nd half, his teammates did a poor job supporting him - blocking, running the ball, and catching it. 

"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans!  Now go out there and make it happen!"

- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22  OSU 0)

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October 30th, 2012 at 3:14 PM | I am ashamed at the (Score:0 Trolling)
Professor X
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I am ashamed at the negativity towards Bellomy. He is a college freshman. Grow up people.

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October 30th, 2012 at 5:40 PM | Ha. But Jim Leyland, F that (Score:4 Normal)
david from wyoming
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Ha. But Jim Leyland, F that guy huh?

Guess who will be back next year for the Tigers? Leyland!

Are you a park ranger at Yellowstone? Say hi to Yogi Bear for me. - the_big_house 500th

I may not be a 70 year old man. - Herm

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October 30th, 2012 at 3:21 PM | "Any person that thinks they (Score:0 Trolling)
UM2018
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"Any person that thinks they could have done a better job - they couldn't have"

That statement is simply not true. A five year old could have gone in and took a knee every snap and that would have been better. I still think bellomy can be a really good quarterback for us in the future but he played awful saturday and theres no denying that.

-UM class of 2018 

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