courts be like "why is it a problem if people get money"
I am with Taylor 100%, I wouldn't have played very admirabley either.
opened up some holes for the running game to take off. That would have taken some heat off the QB. Picking up a few blitzes would have been nice also.
This is a joke right.
Could you imagine being a redshirt freshman and having that be your first meaningful game action. I respect the fact that he ended the game with clean underwear.
I'm not saying i agree with the criticisms, but he's seen game time in a couple of games. And he was in against Alabama, not as much, but he still saw minutes. I wouldn't say "first meaningful" but his role certainly was more significant this game.
was on his shoulders.
This was not mop up duty, or no chance to win garbage time.
This i can potentially buy, but i'm still not completely sold. Nebraska's Defense is not an NFL defense... but it sure looked like one on Saturday. Every Big Ten game matters and could decide the outcome of a division title. If he wasn't prepared for that, then he shouldn't have been in the game. Denard has gone out a couple of times with injury,
That said, I don't think his WRs necessarily bailed him out, and I don't think it spells doom for the rest of the season. It was a team effort, and quite frankly, the team as a whole didn't play well. The defense did look very good at stopping the run, though.
If the comments are limited to Bellomy's play on the field (and not overly harsh) then I don't have a problem with it. I'm guessing Lewan and Bellomy feel the same way.
"Bellomy looked terrible on that 3rd down - he stood in the pocket way too long, he's gotta know to get rid of the ball quicker than that." = FINE
"Bellomy is a piece of crap and doesn't deserve to be on this team. He sux!!" = NOT OK
I think you're getting a lot more of the former.
On Saturday, take a look at the threads, and see if they resemble a lot more of the latter.
Somebody needs to photoshop a pic of Bellomy and Lewan on the twosie together.
I really think he's gonna prove a lot of people wrong, and will be the starting QB next year. I think he'll end up being just fine.
what everyone thinks he is. He could be much better. I think the main thing about it is that it is not fair to sign his death warrant yet. Anyone who already has written him off is being ignorant, and it is unfortunate that we cannot throw said objectors into a similar situation.
...but we're as entitled to our opinion as he is.
No. Not really. He is on the team and is publicly defending his teammate. You are a random guy on the internet ragging on a college kid. You get your opinion, that is true, but his has much more weight on the overall situation.
Except his doesn't really have more weight, because of the associated politics. Even if he thought Bellomy was rank garbage that stunk up the joint and should never be allowed to play another snap of football, whether at D1 level or not (going to extremes, here), he would never say that. Publicly, the team backs one another. I always think it's amusing when the media asks "do you think so-and-so could've done better?". Of course the answer is some variant of "we all needed to play better" or "I think he's a good player" or whatever. So yeah, Lewan might be on the team, but you have no idea if the opinion you're hearing are his actual opinion or just political coachspeak (teamspeak?).
I have no idea how old you are or what you have accomplished so far in your lifetime but that is a bunch of crap.
These "kids" choose to put themselves out there. Most all of them have the aspiration of the"big time" with the big paycheck. They've spent most of their lives thus far well aware of the limelight of sports and when all the big name colleges come calling, they eat it up. They know exactly what they're getting themselves into because they are fans of something themselves and just left a high school where they hear this kind of criticism about someone else all of the time.
Now, I personally don't agree with name calling, but i certainly don't agree with you and your effort to tell someone that they are not entitled to their opinion or that they are just a random guy on the internet.
I've sent 4 kids to college and one to the Air Force, I've paid for over 24 years of season tickets, I've spent plenty of money on this sport at this University in support of thise kids and my fandom. I've watched good movies and bad movies, good TV and bad TV, read good books and bad books, and listened to good music and bad music.....know what? Its good or bad depending on my opinion and the opinion of whomever is experiencing it.
These "kids" are either stars already or hope to be and they differ not from music, television or movie stars. The public makes or breaks them based upon wether or not they are liked, accepted and appreciated by the fanbase.
It's their performances and sometimes our opinions that decide wether they belong where they are.
Belllomy fan? I personally haven't decided yet, but, you have no business telling anyone that their opinion doesn't matter!
Maybe he has some dreams, but I doubt a kid like Bellomy is really planning on glorious NFL riches and fame.
And no, your opinion doesn't matter. Because you can have bought tickets for 124 years, like, accept, or appreciate anyone you want, and it's not going to change a damn thing. Hoke is not listening to you. If he thinks Bellomy should play, he'll play. If he doesn't, he won't. Your opinion doesn't change that at all, no matter how overly important you think you are to the process.
The only thing one can change is whether they come off as rational or a douchebag on the internet towards a kid who's giving up his body for a scholarship and your entertainment.
Plus a Michigan Football Alumn.
Here's a test- in 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, why don't you and Lewan call Dave Brandon's office, saying you each want to give him your "opinion", and see which call he takes.
You're saying if Jake Long calls Brandon he's not taking his call because he wasn't AD when Jake played? Or that Taylor won't be able to call up the next guy? (None of which will care what you think)
You must have meant something else...
He's just calling you an asshole for having it.
Good to see Lewan, sticking up for his teammate. Bellomy had a rough go if it with 3 interceptions, but Denard threw 4 against Notre Dame. So cut the kid some slack.
I think both performances warranted some negative comments by their fan bases. No personal attacks, this is just a game. But I don't see what's so bad with saying "Bellomy played a fucking bad game"
FWIW, it seemed to me that inthe initial moments he was in there our recievers were not helping the kid out. Nebraska was coming after him on D and when he was able to put a pass on his recievers in that inital 5-10 attempts there were not being caught. perfect passes? no. catchable? youbetter believe it. plenty of blame to go around on this one fromthe coaches down. Even my wife who is not a football fan and watches occaisionally to appease me, commented on that fact!! just saying if she could see that going on...
Lewan is correct.
It is somewhat hilarious to see whose bringing this up.
And if you can find an example of me specifically calling out a specific player and saying they're awful and should never play for Michigan again, be my guest.
Its just your demeanor in general during a time when we were stock full of young, inexperienced players that makes it hilarious.
Still haven't changed your Molk quote to the one that better reflects you I see. Figures.
Taylor is wrong. When the guy in front of you goes down, you have to meet the expectation for the position. The expectation at Michigan is that as a quarterback, you'll take care of the football. Bellomy wasn't ready to do that, and he's accountable to that standard of Michigan football. He deserves criticism for his performance.
Would you say his play is... ... ... unacceptable?
Its one thing to say that he wasn't ready or that he should have been pulled.
Its another to scream that he sucks and he's the worst over and over again.
to cross the line from "he didn't play QB as well as I think he should have" to "this kid is a POS and I'm surprised his mother could even love him".
I don't think there's anything wrong with criticizing decision making, footwork, arm strength, whatever other aspects of QB play anyone cares to bring up, but when it gets personal, people really need to "get a life".
It's funny because it's true.
As a parent of two children, I loathe the day I have to deal with tears because one of them tried their best but failed. Watching this whole video (not just the "I'm a man" part that got so much run) made me emotional. This should be posted in response to every comment personally attacking a player and, if so, when I see it, I'm sending the offender to Bolivia. New rule.
everyone laughs because Gundy had a funny way to say what he wanted, but all that rant did was make me think he'd be a good coach to play for.
I quiver at the power you hold.
Good to see you again, too.
I agree. The average village idiot fan is going to be himself. The true fans are going to be behind all players.
And, I totally agree with him supporting his QB. If I was in his position I'd do the exact same thing. And, although I didn't disrespect Bellomy or bad mouth him, I was disappointed in his performance and voiced that frustration. Taylor would probably think the same thing if he were a fan and not a player. Was Bellomy in a tough situation, sure. Do I respect Bellomy, sure. Could it have turned out differently, sure. Did he get some bad breaks, sure. But, was I disappointed with the results, yup. But, it's ok Taylor, stand up for for your QB as you should...no worries.
We're gonna believe in each other, we're not gonna criticize each other, we're not gonna talk about each other, we're gonna encourage each other.
it's not a good indication of things to come, you're totally correct - you can't base the kid's entire career on one horrible game. We'll see what kind of guy he is though - one that rises up to the challenge, works his ass off all summer and is pissed because he didn't do well this year (re: 199 - Tom Brady), or it he curls up into the fetal position and starts sucking his thumb.
Personally, I don't think he's a physically gifted or driven as Shane, so I'd be surprised to see him start over him next year - but I'll be damn sure rooting for him to succeed. Everyone loves a comeback story, and I'd love to see him throw a long TD pass to win a game and then go nuts.
OK, one can say he's not as physically gifted as Shane...it might be a crapshoot with what we know, but an assessment can be made over film and measurables. But how do you know how driven either one of them are? Because Shane tweets a lot? They might both be really driven. Neither might be. I just don't have any idea how never having met either one how I could judge that.
I don't think you were wishing it on him, but it's little things like this that fandom assumes that makes it all seem out of whack.
I don't read recruits tweets, I just go on what I read on here and how he's recruited other players and how his passion for U of M is second to none.
Bellomy doesn't seem to have any fire to him. Now, while not every QB does, and it's not a requirement to have that (or at least, "outwardly project that") - I just envision Shane getting pissed off in that situation - getting riled up, excited, pissed, something.... (Again, that might not be a good thing - I'll be the first to admit it might even make a bad situation worse) but from what we saw on TV, it almost seemed Bellomy was indifferent. Could have been like a duck on a pond though - on the surface all seems calm, but the underneath (inside) going crazy.
Overall though, you're correct - I'm making a complete projection based on limited evidence that may or may not be right. I just would have liked to have seem Bellomy a little more PO'd at the situation. A little helmet slam now and again can show you care.
I upvoted your comment - as I think you make a very good point/critique of my thoughts.
"I just envision."
So in other words you imagine, make shit up.
I'm pretty sure Bellomy is not indifferent, either.
I don't have to answer to anybody unless I say something out of line.
I can envision all I want, so feck off. I guess you just go on cold hard facts all the time, eh? Isn't part of being a fan basing some stuff off of casual observations? Why do I have to be upheld to some kind of code?
For the record, I didn't say he was indifferent. If you're OK with him not showing emotion, thats fine. As a fan I prefer to see the guys fired up.
So you begin by disparaging a kid because you don't think he's as driven as Shane, but qualify being driven as being fired up, and being fired up an outward show of emotion, and this outward show of emotion is something you imagine Shane would do?
I think the above process flow you’ve created off my words is a totally plausible outcome. I would correlate being driven to succeed with an outward show of negative emotion when things don’t go your way. And, again – as I said in my posts – as a fan I like to see that – emotion makes the game more interesting. That’s why Agassi was so much more fun to watch than Sampras – Sampras was a robot. If you like watching robots, that’s fine – that’s your choice. I don’t.
As I mentioned in my previous responses, multiple times mind you – I said it “seemed”. I never once said “Bellomy obviously doesn’t give a shit”. And now it “seems” to me you’re purposefully trying to pick apart my posts from a very played out, holier than thou standpoint.
So I didn't want to slam you for it. Wasn't my intent. I guess what I'm saying is you've seen one guy as a redshirt freshman for really one half, and you can tell me how many games you've seen Shane play to judge his sideline demeanor, because I haven't seen any. So I don't think I could assess their major personality characteristics, but it's entirely possible you've seen a lot more of them than I have.
...are cautionarily pedestrian, given his 5-star rating and the level of HS talent around him. Even when he plays outside the Catholic League Central Division, he doesn't light it up like one would expect.
Yes, Shane has good mechanics and throws a great ball, but we have no idea how good of a decision maker he will be at the D-1 level or if he will crack under pressure on the big stage. Let's not annoint the kid until we've seen him play a few games for Michigan.
Russ didn't play well, he knows that, and doesn't need anyone to tell him as much. The good news, however, is that failure, when used properly, is perhaps the best tool for long term improvement. Make no mistake about it, Russ WILL improve significantly as a result of his experience in the Nebraka game.
Anyone one that doesn't understand this, and is anything but supportive of the kid, is being unreasonable.