landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
I'm sorry, but Lewan is wrong. I don't want to make Bellomy out as a scapegoat here, because we would have lost regardless once denard went down...
But to say that "nobody could have done better" is just insane. I could have have spiked the ball 16 times and had a better result.
You don't really understand the point, do you?
There's nothing wrong about a starting LT defending his QB.
No, but as a fan of the team, I don't see anything wrong with saying the quarterback had a game.
I think the problem with this whole situation is that expectations for Bellomy were fairly high. All we heard after the Spring Game and from coaches and many posters here over the past few weeks was how much promise Bellomy has and how he is a very servicable backup. Couple that with the fact that we fairly recently had two true freshman QBs (Denard and Tate) come into games and tear things up and I think the deflated hopes are somewhat valid from a fans standpoint. That said, its ridiculous for people to bash a teenager like many grown men are doing. What Lewan says is correct - not one of us a--holes could do any better.
The one criticism I have in these two situations of Bellomy coming into games is the team's failure to score from inside the 10 both times he first entered the games (last Saturday and again earlier in the season). Not getting points on those two drives were killers. Score in either one of them and Bellomy's confidence and the fans' confidence in him blast off. Fail to convert on both of them and we have what we have.
There's a difference between not playing up to the Michigan fans' high expectations and being the first quarterback since 2004 to have a negative passer rating with over 20 attempts
Agreed. But like you mentioned above, there is also a difference between making a simple comment about a kid not playing well verses statements about how the kid is no good or personally attacking him. People (not you in particular, just us in general) forget that things they post get read and are searchable for all to read. The computer is a very powerful veil between us personally and the rest of the world and many of us would do well to remember that there are other individuals with feelings on the other end that read comments and are affected.
/steping off soapbox
Brendan Gibbons two years ago versus today. I support Lewan's statement.
the kid had his first meaningful action at Nebraska, at night, from behind, in a clutch game as far as the division race is concerned. This is like when Molk went down in warm-ups at the Sugar Bowl. (I felt so bad for Rocko Khoury then when many people dumped on him.) Russell was taken off guard, and was totally flustered. The freak Smith turnover made it worse, and his fundamentals just left him.
Sure, he should have been better mentally prepared to step in, but remember the games against U Mass, Purdue, and Illinois, and how late into the game Denard played? Understood that Denard needed some game reps to get up to speed himself, but I would have given up one or two touchdowns in each of those games for six more series for Bellomy.
Then don't get me started on Gardner ... our game experienced back up QB that everyone thought should be a WR ...
The theme is that the player plays to the expectation for the position. Clearly Russell Bellomy did not. He was flustered, and I don't see that the coaching staff did enough to prepare him for it. They gambled on getting Denard more game experience and putting Devin at WR, and the chickens came home to roost.
Absolutely correct. Of issue though, is personally attacking the kid, stating he will never be good, or that you could have done a better job.
...other than using some purple language to describe the game. Oh, and posting the pictures of GERG and Borges side-by-side. That's not much of a knock on Bellomy.
What I said was that it appeared that Bellomy was inexcusably poorly prepared to be the Plan B In The Event Of No Denard. Which is never so much of a stretch. I said "poorly prepared," and my criticism was mostly aimed at the offensive staff.
If Taylor Lewan is angry, that's okay with me. An angry Taylor Lewan is fine. Just no more personal fouls, please. And a highly-motivated Taylor Lewan, anxious to protect his QB no matter what his name, is also good.
You go, Taylor. Kick some ass. On Saturday.
Have a little faith. The reality is (we might not) have anyone else, anyway, so enjoy it. Give the kid a chance. Did you know that Tony Romo, Jay Cutler, and Mark Sanchez are all currently starting QB's in the NFL.
Whether Lewan is wrong or not he's doing the right thing here. If Bellomy read half of the stuff on here his confidence would be at an all time low. Being a team leader Lewan has to keep this team together no matter what. I hope Lewan sticks around next year!
Is what you said going to help the team prepare, or help the fans support the team? Conclusin, was that comment necessary?
sorry about the double post
Fans are critical of any player who doesn't perform well. They do it on all levels of sports in every sport. From pee-wee leagues to the pros and I'm sure if he had a bad game in high school he had a few articles wrote about that. It comes with being a visible public figure on a big stage. He should have been ready to play , he wasn't and he took some heat
He is right but for a different reason. He's right because the criticism should be on Borges for having nothing to counter the Nebraska blitz, and for having Russ so underprepared. Hostile environment has little to do with it. Borges is the one who should be taking all of the heat, with a minor frown going to receivers dropping balls.
Walmarts gonna Walmart.
Glad to see Lewan is sticking up for his teammates.
I just hope Bellomy doesn't get discouraged with what is posted out there regarding his performance this weekend.
Seems like a pretty big signal that we'll be seeing him play in Saturday. I only hope Lewan is right and that Bellamy can show us something better.
Apparently my autocorrect was not impressed with him either.
yesterday i saw someone try to coin the phrase "Bellomy'd"...
I know the kid didnt scramble 40 yards for a touchdown on his first play like denard did, but he got put in a very very tough spot and i dont know why everyone is placing all the blame on him when no one on offense could get anything going.
QB is the leader of the offense. It was an exceedingly tough situation but like the coaches have preached the next person has to be ready.
No way you or I could have done better but he is a D1 QB so he has to do better than what we saw on Saturday.
All this said no need for personal attacks.
You're absolutely right. There's nothing wrong with saying a kid had a bad game, hell I'm sure Bellomy would be the first to say that. He definitely deserves some criticism.
However, ripping a kid relentlessly (a RS Freshman with limited game experience no less) should not be tolerated. There's no doubt in my mind that he can play much better than he showed on Saturday and that if he's given another chance he'll make some good plays.
you can have this opinion, for sure, but 9 out of 10 times, a freshman in that situation is going to suck, especially when the offense they run is geared around a once in a generation dual threat talent surrounded by a mishmash of mediocre talent. Fitz Toussaint can't manage 3 yards a carry with denard IN the game to draw defenders. How is that going to work when the QB is not a credible threat.
a lot of "fans" have this crazy expectation that players magically arrive ready to play at a "D-1" level. You don't become a star taking 10% of reps, if that, in an offense tailored to someone else. Sure, Russ does not show elite armstrength, but that's about all I really think I learned, along side "Bellomy is not a spread QB". The thing I DID learn about is that he hustled his ass off and made a fucking enormous tackle after throwing the interception. That shows me that he will work his ass off to get better.
You are living in a dream world where we have a backup Denard to come in and run his offense.
That was me. I'm not fully placing blame on him, but he was not competent. He had the same number of completions to Nebraska as he did to Michigan. There were lots of the 18 pass attempts that were not even close to the receiver as they skipped off the turf or flew high to our old friend Tacopants.
I was there on Saturday, and yes, it was loud, but it's not his first year in the program, nor has he shown to be a viable option even when playing at Michigan Stadium, as his numbers are just as bad.
I place more blame on the coaching staff for not having the kid ready to step in when needed. There has been more than once this season that Denard was still playing in the 4th quarter when the game is out of reach of the opponent. We all know that Denard has gone down in previous years and someone had to step in for an extended period of time. Hoke and Borges should have inserted Bellomy earlier to prepare the kid.
In short, Bellomy appears to not be ready and the coaching staff has made mistakes by not assuring that he is when Denard gets injured.
I fully hope for him to imporve and become a great player at Michigan, he just hasn't shown it yet.
no, your argument is horseshit.
are you fucking kidding me? I want Denard taking every possible rep in practice to get better so that we increase our chance of winning. Your backup gets 10% of reps, if that. It is an anomaly to have a Tate Forcier waiting with 13 starts under his belt to step in and not skip a beat. Coaches gamble with reps and preparation. Most of the time, they get burned if the starter goes down, unless you have a backup groomed for the same type of offense. Take Oregon, when Dennis Dixon went out with the knee. They were fucked. Texas, when McCoy went down in the NC game. Shit happens, but really, you won't learn anything about Bellomy until he's actually competing for meaningful reps next spring.
I will give you this: there have definitely been times earlier this season, where they could definitely have gotten Bellomy some reps in game situations.
This is an offense in transition. The kid wasn't brought in to run the spread, but right now that's kind of what we do. So, Bellomy is playing in an offensive scheme in flux right now; certainly not one suited to his skills. I'm not at practice, but when Bellomy is getting his reps I'm relatively sure that the coaches don't make a wholesale shift into "future offense mode." As much as the transition is or has hurt Denard, the current limbo can't be helping Bellomy either.
Please don't call Borges' WCO a "spread." It isn't even a hybrid. This staff is going to need its full five years before we see what it is really capable of doing.
Regardless of what this offense is called right now, it is full of players brought in to run a RR spread, and so Borges has to give something. Whatever the Xs and Os of Borges' offense will be, the players that they are bringing in don't look anything like the players we have now (bigger bodied receivers, "pro-style" quarterback; massive linemen, etc.) So, I agree, because it will take some time to get "his" players in here, it will take some time to see what the offense will look like, how Bellomy or any other quarterback will perform in it, and whether it is ultimately successful.
I know that I had some unfair expectations. Prior to the Nebraska game, Hoke said that they have lots of faith and confidence in Bellomy. Because of that I thought he would be able to manage the game better. Stepping back from it, I know he tried his best in the situation he was placed in. It just so happens that it wasn't good enough that night and it wasn't all his fault.
You're acting like he got to play his first true snaps against some MAC team and built up to a real defense like most freshman qbs do. This was coming in for an injured Denard Robinson against a Big Ten defense, on the road, at night, in one of the most hostile environments in college football. I'm impressed he only threw 3 picks.
I'm afraid we've swung too much in the other direction. Let's be objectively honest: It's not unreasonable to expect any quarterback, even a redshirt freshman with more than a year in the system, to throw fewer than 3 interceptions, complete more than 3 out of 16 passes, or average more than 2.4 yards per pass. In one half.
Look, nobody should personally attack any player for any reason. But to suggest that Bellomy's performance (emphasis on performance) was anthing other than terrible is, quite simply, untrue. Yes, it was at Nebraska. Yes, there were lights and much drunken debauchery in the stands. Yes, Denard, of dilithium, was unexpectedly hurt. But Nebraska isn't the '85 Bears (or insert your preferred impenetrable NFL defense)
It's ok to expect a modicum of mediocrity even under the circumstances. It just didn't happen. That doesn't mean hope is lost for Bellomy's future, and it doesn't mean that he was put in the absolute best position to succeed on Saturday.
He played poorly, and I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it. But in any event, I'm glad that Taylor Lewan is standing up for him. That's leadership.
Good for Taylor.
someone who is actively involved with the program, or our esteemed posters?
Did anyone else notice how fast Bellomy was? After he threw one of those interceptions, he chased down the dude from behind. Thought that was impressive. See... we can compliment, too, around here.
I agree. His closing speed on interception returns is what sets him apart from freshman Navarre.
on that one 12ish yard run he had for a first down where I think he was running for his life from Nebraska's umpteenth suicide blitz
It was 15 yards and Michigan's longest rush of the day.
If there was one game this second half reminded me of, it was the RS Freshman Navarre two-minute drill against UCLA in 2000. Henson was out, and Navarre was so atrocious that we were trying to engineer an end-of-game comeback without throwing the ball.
Of course, in that game we had like 250 yds rushing, so we still scored 20 points. So maybe it wasn't quite as similar as it seemed.
I'm upset with the coaches, not Bellomy. I think they did an inadequate job of preparing him and put him in a very difficult situation. With that said, If Denard ever goes down again, I really hope Gardner goes in. Bellomy proved he's far from ready which is typical of any redshirt freshman. Good for Lewan to step up for him.
We still know next to nothing about Gardner, though. Except he's older. I want to think he'd be ALOT better, but we really don't know. If Gardner starts at Minn, we still won't know because he'll face a different defense.
Part of me wants to say, "There's an expectation to play that position at Michigan", however, I can't reasonably expect Bellomy to match those expectations at this point in his career. On the same note, I can't reasonably expect the coaches to prepare him to match those expectations at this point. Heck, we haven't seen Denard meet those expectations in some games this season.
Which is why I am more disappointed in the coaching staff's inability to prepare a running game that doesn't rely on Denard after 8 games this season. Any resemblance of a grind-it-out type running game in the second half would have relieved the pressure off Bellomy and given them a chance to win the game.
the more dismayed I am by other grown a$s men who disparage these kids who are out there playing a game. I want to see Michigan win as much as the next guy (likely more, considering all the beatings I suffered at the hands of Buckeye fans as a child), but for the love of God, if these young men don't win, there is no reason to speak so poorly of them. It's not like they are actively trying to fail.
I suspect many of these critics have not overcome much adversity in their own lives.
Agreed. Not a grown a$s man here, but still mature enough to see this. On Sunday I woke up and was still very upset about the game, on the way to the cafeteria in South Quad I passed none other than Bellomy himself and that set me straight in a way. I felt bad, but just thinking about how hard this kid has worked and how bad he must feel was sobering. As fans we're allowed to be sad and upset (the emotional connection to the game is the point of being a fan), but in the end, A) you're just a fan, and B) it's just a game. I stand by my criticism of his game, and I still say that was one of the (if not the singular) worst QB performance I have seen in my life watching Michigan football, but personal attacks and slander take it way too far.
I'm with Taylor on this.
I am with Taylor 100%, I wouldn't have played very admirabley either.
opened up some holes for the running game to take off. That would have taken some heat off the QB. Picking up a few blitzes would have been nice also.
This is a joke right.
Could you imagine being a redshirt freshman and having that be your first meaningful game action. I respect the fact that he ended the game with clean underwear.
I'm not saying i agree with the criticisms, but he's seen game time in a couple of games. And he was in against Alabama, not as much, but he still saw minutes. I wouldn't say "first meaningful" but his role certainly was more significant this game.
was on his shoulders.
This was not mop up duty, or no chance to win garbage time.
This i can potentially buy, but i'm still not completely sold. Nebraska's Defense is not an NFL defense... but it sure looked like one on Saturday. Every Big Ten game matters and could decide the outcome of a division title. If he wasn't prepared for that, then he shouldn't have been in the game. Denard has gone out a couple of times with injury,
That said, I don't think his WRs necessarily bailed him out, and I don't think it spells doom for the rest of the season. It was a team effort, and quite frankly, the team as a whole didn't play well. The defense did look very good at stopping the run, though.
If the comments are limited to Bellomy's play on the field (and not overly harsh) then I don't have a problem with it. I'm guessing Lewan and Bellomy feel the same way.
"Bellomy looked terrible on that 3rd down - he stood in the pocket way too long, he's gotta know to get rid of the ball quicker than that." = FINE
"Bellomy is a piece of crap and doesn't deserve to be on this team. He sux!!" = NOT OK
I think you're getting a lot more of the former.
On Saturday, take a look at the threads, and see if they resemble a lot more of the latter.
Somebody needs to photoshop a pic of Bellomy and Lewan on the twosie together.
I really think he's gonna prove a lot of people wrong, and will be the starting QB next year. I think he'll end up being just fine.
what everyone thinks he is. He could be much better. I think the main thing about it is that it is not fair to sign his death warrant yet. Anyone who already has written him off is being ignorant, and it is unfortunate that we cannot throw said objectors into a similar situation.
...but we're as entitled to our opinion as he is.
No. Not really. He is on the team and is publicly defending his teammate. You are a random guy on the internet ragging on a college kid. You get your opinion, that is true, but his has much more weight on the overall situation.
Except his doesn't really have more weight, because of the associated politics. Even if he thought Bellomy was rank garbage that stunk up the joint and should never be allowed to play another snap of football, whether at D1 level or not (going to extremes, here), he would never say that. Publicly, the team backs one another. I always think it's amusing when the media asks "do you think so-and-so could've done better?". Of course the answer is some variant of "we all needed to play better" or "I think he's a good player" or whatever. So yeah, Lewan might be on the team, but you have no idea if the opinion you're hearing are his actual opinion or just political coachspeak (teamspeak?).
I have no idea how old you are or what you have accomplished so far in your lifetime but that is a bunch of crap.
These "kids" choose to put themselves out there. Most all of them have the aspiration of the"big time" with the big paycheck. They've spent most of their lives thus far well aware of the limelight of sports and when all the big name colleges come calling, they eat it up. They know exactly what they're getting themselves into because they are fans of something themselves and just left a high school where they hear this kind of criticism about someone else all of the time.
Now, I personally don't agree with name calling, but i certainly don't agree with you and your effort to tell someone that they are not entitled to their opinion or that they are just a random guy on the internet.
I've sent 4 kids to college and one to the Air Force, I've paid for over 24 years of season tickets, I've spent plenty of money on this sport at this University in support of thise kids and my fandom. I've watched good movies and bad movies, good TV and bad TV, read good books and bad books, and listened to good music and bad music.....know what? Its good or bad depending on my opinion and the opinion of whomever is experiencing it.
These "kids" are either stars already or hope to be and they differ not from music, television or movie stars. The public makes or breaks them based upon wether or not they are liked, accepted and appreciated by the fanbase.
It's their performances and sometimes our opinions that decide wether they belong where they are.
Belllomy fan? I personally haven't decided yet, but, you have no business telling anyone that their opinion doesn't matter!
Maybe he has some dreams, but I doubt a kid like Bellomy is really planning on glorious NFL riches and fame.
And no, your opinion doesn't matter. Because you can have bought tickets for 124 years, like, accept, or appreciate anyone you want, and it's not going to change a damn thing. Hoke is not listening to you. If he thinks Bellomy should play, he'll play. If he doesn't, he won't. Your opinion doesn't change that at all, no matter how overly important you think you are to the process.
The only thing one can change is whether they come off as rational or a douchebag on the internet towards a kid who's giving up his body for a scholarship and your entertainment.
Plus a Michigan Football Alumn.
Here's a test- in 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, why don't you and Lewan call Dave Brandon's office, saying you each want to give him your "opinion", and see which call he takes.
You're saying if Jake Long calls Brandon he's not taking his call because he wasn't AD when Jake played? Or that Taylor won't be able to call up the next guy? (None of which will care what you think)
You must have meant something else...
He's just calling you an asshole for having it.
Good to see Lewan, sticking up for his teammate. Bellomy had a rough go if it with 3 interceptions, but Denard threw 4 against Notre Dame. So cut the kid some slack.
I think both performances warranted some negative comments by their fan bases. No personal attacks, this is just a game. But I don't see what's so bad with saying "Bellomy played a fucking bad game"
FWIW, it seemed to me that inthe initial moments he was in there our recievers were not helping the kid out. Nebraska was coming after him on D and when he was able to put a pass on his recievers in that inital 5-10 attempts there were not being caught. perfect passes? no. catchable? youbetter believe it. plenty of blame to go around on this one fromthe coaches down. Even my wife who is not a football fan and watches occaisionally to appease me, commented on that fact!! just saying if she could see that going on...
Lewan is correct.
It is somewhat hilarious to see whose bringing this up.
And if you can find an example of me specifically calling out a specific player and saying they're awful and should never play for Michigan again, be my guest.
Its just your demeanor in general during a time when we were stock full of young, inexperienced players that makes it hilarious.
Still haven't changed your Molk quote to the one that better reflects you I see. Figures.
Taylor is wrong. When the guy in front of you goes down, you have to meet the expectation for the position. The expectation at Michigan is that as a quarterback, you'll take care of the football. Bellomy wasn't ready to do that, and he's accountable to that standard of Michigan football. He deserves criticism for his performance.
Would you say his play is... ... ... unacceptable?
Its one thing to say that he wasn't ready or that he should have been pulled.
Its another to scream that he sucks and he's the worst over and over again.
to cross the line from "he didn't play QB as well as I think he should have" to "this kid is a POS and I'm surprised his mother could even love him".
I don't think there's anything wrong with criticizing decision making, footwork, arm strength, whatever other aspects of QB play anyone cares to bring up, but when it gets personal, people really need to "get a life".
It's funny because it's true.
As a parent of two children, I loathe the day I have to deal with tears because one of them tried their best but failed. Watching this whole video (not just the "I'm a man" part that got so much run) made me emotional. This should be posted in response to every comment personally attacking a player and, if so, when I see it, I'm sending the offender to Bolivia. New rule.
everyone laughs because Gundy had a funny way to say what he wanted, but all that rant did was make me think he'd be a good coach to play for.
I quiver at the power you hold.
Good to see you again, too.
I agree. The average village idiot fan is going to be himself. The true fans are going to be behind all players.
And, I totally agree with him supporting his QB. If I was in his position I'd do the exact same thing. And, although I didn't disrespect Bellomy or bad mouth him, I was disappointed in his performance and voiced that frustration. Taylor would probably think the same thing if he were a fan and not a player. Was Bellomy in a tough situation, sure. Do I respect Bellomy, sure. Could it have turned out differently, sure. Did he get some bad breaks, sure. But, was I disappointed with the results, yup. But, it's ok Taylor, stand up for for your QB as you should...no worries.
We're gonna believe in each other, we're not gonna criticize each other, we're not gonna talk about each other, we're gonna encourage each other.
it's not a good indication of things to come, you're totally correct - you can't base the kid's entire career on one horrible game. We'll see what kind of guy he is though - one that rises up to the challenge, works his ass off all summer and is pissed because he didn't do well this year (re: 199 - Tom Brady), or it he curls up into the fetal position and starts sucking his thumb.
Personally, I don't think he's a physically gifted or driven as Shane, so I'd be surprised to see him start over him next year - but I'll be damn sure rooting for him to succeed. Everyone loves a comeback story, and I'd love to see him throw a long TD pass to win a game and then go nuts.
OK, one can say he's not as physically gifted as Shane...it might be a crapshoot with what we know, but an assessment can be made over film and measurables. But how do you know how driven either one of them are? Because Shane tweets a lot? They might both be really driven. Neither might be. I just don't have any idea how never having met either one how I could judge that.
I don't think you were wishing it on him, but it's little things like this that fandom assumes that makes it all seem out of whack.
I don't read recruits tweets, I just go on what I read on here and how he's recruited other players and how his passion for U of M is second to none.
Bellomy doesn't seem to have any fire to him. Now, while not every QB does, and it's not a requirement to have that (or at least, "outwardly project that") - I just envision Shane getting pissed off in that situation - getting riled up, excited, pissed, something.... (Again, that might not be a good thing - I'll be the first to admit it might even make a bad situation worse) but from what we saw on TV, it almost seemed Bellomy was indifferent. Could have been like a duck on a pond though - on the surface all seems calm, but the underneath (inside) going crazy.
Overall though, you're correct - I'm making a complete projection based on limited evidence that may or may not be right. I just would have liked to have seem Bellomy a little more PO'd at the situation. A little helmet slam now and again can show you care.
I upvoted your comment - as I think you make a very good point/critique of my thoughts.
"I just envision."
So in other words you imagine, make shit up.
I'm pretty sure Bellomy is not indifferent, either.
I don't have to answer to anybody unless I say something out of line.
I can envision all I want, so feck off. I guess you just go on cold hard facts all the time, eh? Isn't part of being a fan basing some stuff off of casual observations? Why do I have to be upheld to some kind of code?
For the record, I didn't say he was indifferent. If you're OK with him not showing emotion, thats fine. As a fan I prefer to see the guys fired up.
So you begin by disparaging a kid because you don't think he's as driven as Shane, but qualify being driven as being fired up, and being fired up an outward show of emotion, and this outward show of emotion is something you imagine Shane would do?
I think the above process flow you’ve created off my words is a totally plausible outcome. I would correlate being driven to succeed with an outward show of negative emotion when things don’t go your way. And, again – as I said in my posts – as a fan I like to see that – emotion makes the game more interesting. That’s why Agassi was so much more fun to watch than Sampras – Sampras was a robot. If you like watching robots, that’s fine – that’s your choice. I don’t.
As I mentioned in my previous responses, multiple times mind you – I said it “seemed”. I never once said “Bellomy obviously doesn’t give a shit”. And now it “seems” to me you’re purposefully trying to pick apart my posts from a very played out, holier than thou standpoint.
So I didn't want to slam you for it. Wasn't my intent. I guess what I'm saying is you've seen one guy as a redshirt freshman for really one half, and you can tell me how many games you've seen Shane play to judge his sideline demeanor, because I haven't seen any. So I don't think I could assess their major personality characteristics, but it's entirely possible you've seen a lot more of them than I have.
...are cautionarily pedestrian, given his 5-star rating and the level of HS talent around him. Even when he plays outside the Catholic League Central Division, he doesn't light it up like one would expect.
Yes, Shane has good mechanics and throws a great ball, but we have no idea how good of a decision maker he will be at the D-1 level or if he will crack under pressure on the big stage. Let's not annoint the kid until we've seen him play a few games for Michigan.
Russ didn't play well, he knows that, and doesn't need anyone to tell him as much. The good news, however, is that failure, when used properly, is perhaps the best tool for long term improvement. Make no mistake about it, Russ WILL improve significantly as a result of his experience in the Nebraka game.
Anyone one that doesn't understand this, and is anything but supportive of the kid, is being unreasonable.
Left tackle defends his qb, qb takes the credit or the blame, fans either worship or crucify. No middle ground allowed in any of these situations.
Bellomy needs to take a spin on the twosie or on Magnusson's unicycle. That will do some wonders for his confidence
This coming from the "best" lineman off an average line. Once he stops making stupid penalties, I'll take him more serious.
Bronco Nagurski? I heard he was syntactically challenged as well.
I've never used this line but LOL WUT? I think a lineman can properly be considered great when he's projected to be a first round NFL draft pick.
Regardless, football skill has nothing to do with emotionally supporting a teammate. I would respect the comments from Lewan as much as if they were coming from the backup waterboy. Stop being obtuse.
Someone got to take the blame. Because that whole situation was beyond pathetic
How so? I realize that it was ugly, but no matter the level, an inexperienced back up QB coming in, on the road, is almost NEVER a good situation. If you expected more, frankly, you're a delusional moron -- no offense.
Unfortunately I couldn't watch the game, but I knew we were screwed once I saw Bellomy's name in the stats line and that Fitz wasn't having a big game. I don't think Gardner would have done much better under the circumstances. Frankly, I was worried about this game with Denard (although I think we could have won).
Taylor is also handling this in precisely the right way. You and I can be assholes about it and it doesn't make all that much of a difference. Bellomy's teammates, though, are a different matter entirely. If they're not supporting him and Denard misses any more time, this has the potential to sink the season.
If Bellomy is not too blame, then who is? Is it Hoke, for not having an adequate backup for when Denard got hurt? Is it Borges for not calling a game to fit Bellomys strengths? Idk who is to blame. But the only thing I know was what happened was not acceptable. Denard has probably left at least 10 games in the past, so you knew it had potential to happen again. So knowing that, we still had NO game plan.
I don't think anyone stated that Lewan stood up for Bellomy, and that because he did that, no one was to blame. Assign blame to Hoke if it makes your head hurt less. It isn't going to change anything in any way, shape, or manner.
Why does there always have to be someone to "blame?" Further, why was it, "unacceptable" and what does that even mean? Lastly, why do you think there was, "NO game plan?" It seemed to me that there was a very distinct plan, it just wasn't executed very well by the QB, all five OLinemen, the TE's, the RB's, and the WR's -- you know, the TEAM?!? Blocked were missed, blitzes weren't picked up, passes were dropped and poorly thrown.
How did Borges not call a game that fit Bellomy's strengths? How was Bellomy not "adequate?" Everything point you made is made with the benefit of hindsight. Unfortunately, while the game is going, and Denard is laying on the turf, the coaches and players have no such benefit. Listen to what Borges said -- the environment into which Bellomy was thrust CANNOT be simulated in practice. He knows the plays, he's executed them in practice, but he's never executed them in front of a Sea of Red and 11 opposing defensive players hell bent on ripping his head off. Unfortunately, the only way to learn how you're going to react in that situation is to actually, you know, be in that situation.
Quit trying to assign blame for everything that happens. Sometimes, things just don't go your way, deal with it.
Sometimes shit just happens
And thank you for that call-out. Dammit for not feeling able to issue retroactive trips to Bolivian.
Not that it matters...if you were issuing trips for what was said on Saturday night, a third of the board would be going south for the winter.
I don't think there are really any technical rules, at least not written. But, FWIW, I would never retroactively dock points like that and I don't think anyone ever would. Although, our (or just my?) tolerance of idiocity (made-up word) is definitely reduced during post-loss weeks.
Come on profitgoblue, I know you want to. Give in, join the darkside.
need to get a life in a hurry--fandom, for a lot of people, means taking the ugly for a walk in public, without a leash. But it was unfortunate that we didn't have another QB to try when it became evident early that Bellomy was struggling.
Coming in and running a plan for Denard's strengths is defferent than coming in and running a plan for Bellomy's strengths. If the recievers had caught a pass or 2 his day would have went different. If the line was blocking and he had time things would be different. This isn't a 2008 QB forest fire. A good tallented QB put into a bad situation is likely to look bad.
Bellomy was in a tuff spot, ya he played poorly but I think most red shirt fresman would have, people do need to lay off the KID.
It was 6 - 14 I believe and Bellomy launched a bomb to Roudtree, had him in stride for a TD Roundtree dove and just missed it, catchable ball though...it was a solid pass. If that catch is made for the TD could have been a completely different game.
Criticizing play calling totally fair. Questioning the kids integrity and heart, not at all. They are adults who carry the load of preparation guidelines. Im way more concerned about Devin not taking enough reps at QB. Thats a massive coaching mistake IMO.
Good. That's exactly what Lewan is supposed to say. It's kind of hard for a lineman to block for someone they don't have any faith in. Also, it's kind of difficult for a defense to respect the pass when a quarterback's own teammates don't have his back..
However, as a fan, I reserve the right for my own opinion, and my opinion is that I don't trust Bellomy under center as much as he doesn't seem to trust his own skills that got him a free ride at one of the most storied programs in the country. Say what you will, but Bellomy isn't the first young kid to be thrown out on the field surrounded by adversity and a sea of raucous opposing fans. Many kids that have excelled on that kind of stage (or atleast did better than 3/16 with 3 picks) were ones that at one point were not deemed good enough to wear maize n' blue. But hey, I'd love for Lewan and Bellomy to prove me wrong next time around.
based on one 2nd half performance, on the road, in his first non-mop up opportunity to play? You must be an extremely astute judge of football talent and future potential. Personally, I'm going to give him at least one more chance. I'm guessing he's going to do much better his 2nd time.
I'd expect a Michigan quarterback, whether in his first true game experience or not, to do better than 3/16, 3 picks and bunch of other fundamental mistakes that a JV high school QB would get chastised over. Also, he didn't look pretty in his limited mop up playing time either, so I'm sensing a bit of a trend. So, do I trust him? No. But I trust our coaches. So, if they decide to not give DG more reps at QB during practice and think Bellomy can perform on a level fitting for the maize n' blue when the time comes, well than I have no choice but to go with the flow. I can't imagine that he won't improve, but I'll still cringe when it gets on the field until he proves otherwise.
Steve Smith in his first start in 1981: 3 of 18 for 38 yards with three interceptions. He was more of a runner than a passer but he ended up being a three-year starter.
Rick Leach in his first start* in 1975: 2 of 10 for 34 yards with 3 interceptions. Leach again was more of a runner than a passer but he was a four-year starter.
*Or his first action. He may or may not have started the game, but he was the full-time starter very quickly.
There's an interesting discussion of this on "The Schembechler Years" video. (90 minutes, must-own, imo.)
and there in lies your problem -- expectations are very dangerous, and only lead to misery.
That's a lot of pressure, in a tough environment. Let's hope we don't get a bigger sample size, but I'm loathe to judge him on just this game.
Hopefully we have some plays in our pocket if this happens again and opposing defenses blitz everyone up the middle because they saw that game.
I dont blame bellomy, he's a redshirt freshman that hasn't played much and was thrown in a huge game. The guy was in over his head. But the fact of the matter is that he was in over his head, which is not good for your backup qb.
The expectation is for the position. We've heard this a million times. Russ plays Quarterback. For Michigan.
I feel like I'm watching the Charlie Brown Thanksgiving Special all over again. How is Russell the only one getting ripped on for this? It takes two players to complete a pass. Nobody played well at the skill positions. Nobody blocked well enough to handle Nebraska's pressure. You've got to catch the ball when it's thrown to you on target. Their passive performance is even worse when you consider the fact that the back up QB had come in. Help him out. Russell was ready to go at the start of the second half.
The worst thing about this game wasn't that Russell didn't have a great game, it's that no one had any idea what to do after Denard went out and the defense decided to stop playing passively. Maybe we've figured out why Notre Dame, Michigan State, Alabama, and Virginia Tech completely shut down our offense. Nobody knows how to operate when someone plays them straight up instead of being out there to just stop Denard.
Exactly. Where were the backs, the receivers, the OL during all this? Yes, Bellomy had a horrible game, but who was there to lighten the load? The RB's not getting any yards. The receivers are dropping balls. The OL are missing or not sustaining blocks. The OC doesn't seem to have planned well for this eventuality of Denard getting hurt (and maybe some of this is even on Denard--maybe he still has so many problems to work out that Bellomy isn't getting as many reps in practice that the back up to a three year senior starter should be getting). Let's face it, the offense has been getting by on the sheer grit and athleticism of Denard Robinson. Without him, there's not much to go on. I almost hope Brian doesn't do the UFR for the offense in this game, because it's not going to look pretty for anyone.
I didn't like when Lloyd defended Navarre because it always made me hate Navarre even more, but I like this. Teammates have a responsibility to stick up for one another because if they don't have your six who does?
But, that doesn't mean we can't be critical of a player who seriously looked terrified and was way over his head.
Most of us with his right mind is blaming coaches, not the poor kid who was thrown into a bad bad situation.
but let's be honest here, Bellomy looked like an innaccurate quarterback with a weak arm who makes poor decisions. Perhaps it was a product of "the atmosphere," not having experience, blah blah blah... but at the end of the day there were zero positives to take from his performance, so it's hard to expect that people shouldn't be critical. As for personally attacking him or theatening his person that is indefensible. But as far as his gameplay and his abilities as a quarterback, he looked awful. No question.
Couldn't deal with scrolling through hundreds of nonsensical conversations to find one interesting bit of info.
Anyone who makes a personal attack or hating comment on a college kid trying to do his best while juggling classes, practice, and some semblance of a social life, needs to grow up bigtime. They won't always be successful on the field and that's something we all need to accept. In the case of Bellomy, I'd further say that for at least part of the 2nd half, his teammates did a poor job supporting him - blocking, running the ball, and catching it.
I am ashamed at the negativity towards Bellomy. He is a college freshman. Grow up people.
Ha. But Jim Leyland, F that guy huh?
Guess who will be back next year for the Tigers? Leyland!
"Any person that thinks they could have done a better job - they couldn't have"
That statement is simply not true. A five year old could have gone in and took a knee every snap and that would have been better. I still think bellomy can be a really good quarterback for us in the future but he played awful saturday and theres no denying that.
I'm pretty sure a 5-year-old could not go in there and even receive a snap, let along take a knee.
P.S. Class of 2018? How is that possible? Did you get accepted as a HS junior? Are you on the 6-year plan? Inquiring minds want to know!
I'm a HS junior but I know I'm going to be accepted and probobly go there.
And yeah my comment above is totally trolling the site, sorry
That isn't even a humble brag, that is just borderline cocky and stupid that say that. Wait for the thick letter.
Unless your parents/family donated enough money to have a building named after them. In that case, I'll retract my statement.
cocky and stupid? I'm being realistic, i have the grades to get in and out of state tuition is so much money I'm trying to get the best education i can in state.
reply. There have been many, many people who had the grades to get in and still received the little envelope.
i wouldn't write a college essay with the same carelessness and style as a reply on an online blog
Keep us posted. We're all waiting on pins and needles to see if you're accepted.
As a coach myself - the internet has made my job more difficult - even in high school. We now get trash talking on blogs, Facebook etc. Kids and fans can even make comments to articles from the local newspaper which is online. Players can even and will tear down their own teammates. ALL THIS EVER DOES is destroy team unity.
This blog and other locations ripping on a young man can only destroy his confidence and create strife with the team. We need to be careful what we say. I will throw out the phrase: Walk a mile in his shoes -
Please bring your shoes, along with a way to take 30 or so years off my age, make me faster, and give me the ability to throw a football. I would love to walk in them.
Dear Mr. Coach.
I know what you meant, and I applaud you for saying it, but young Mr. Bellomy grew up in a fairly competitive environment down there. He'll be fine, and he might need his shoes. Tell your players to ignore the media, and if you hear them tearing down one another, well, that is why they invented bleachers. Or, if you are really mad, make them run with the girls cross-country team.
No one should personally attack Russell, but if Taylor wasn't in the trenches battling alongside him and had to watch Russell he might not feel the same way. I personally don't put his performance all at the feet of Bellomy. The coaching staff needed to do several things better to put the team in better situations in the event of a Denardpocalypse.
"Some of the things told about Russell..."
Okay: "Jeebus Bellomy sucked in this game."
Not Okay: "Bellomy sucks, he doesn't deserve a scholarship."
Once there was a Michigan QB who was a redshirt soph. starter and had 2 starts under his belt. Then he went out to UCLA and played terribly and Michigan lost. If he had played even average football, Michigan wins. The next game Michigan went to Illinois and this QB played even worse before a super talent came in reserve, played on one wheel and rescued the Wolverines.
Terrible things were said about this player pretty much up until he was set to finish his career at Michigan, basically re-writing the QB record books at Michigan. His name is John Navarre.
The point is this: while it's fine to criticize an individual's performance, let's not: a) criticize the individual; b) jump to conclusions about his abilities and/or potential.
It's a bit redundant to post in this thread at this point I'm sure, but one of the reasons I'm a cynical a-hole anymore is the simple fact that society anymore always has to have a fall person. Someone to point the finger to. Someone to Blame. Sh*t can never just "be" anymore. We can't ever accept that things just fall the way they do sometimes (probably more than just "sometimes") because that's just how it was "meant to be". I understand there are many Eff-ups out there and people deserve blame and punishment for their actions. The other side of that is that many situations in life happen the way they do because there isn't really an alternative, no matter how much we wish a preceding event could have been managed differently. This is the case here. Many of us need to quit trying to pin-point blame on a collegiate sporting event that should have no real ramnifications on anyone's overall LIFE (sorry if you gamble, that's ya own fault).
Why anyone would have a problem with Taylor sticking up for his QB. I am sure he understands peoples gripes about Bellomy's accuracy but know that personal attacks are absolutely uncalled for. The kid had a bad first game in my opinion against a good team, that has been known to happen from time to time. I say be patient, he will improve.
I love Taylor for staunchly defending his quarterback, he understands the meaning of team.