had a false start in three seasons? I think that is impressive.
also duty-free guys falling over and grabbing their shins
had a false start in three seasons? I think that is impressive.
not give up any sacks one year (as a guard)?
I want a win also but since were comparing Lewan to Jake Long I hope Clowney is a 100% so we can see how good Taylor really is. Hypothetically speaking I would expect Long to completely shutdown Clowney. He was just a different kind of animal out on the field.
Taylor still tends to go on stretches of dumb penalties which I don't ever recall Jake doing. Either way, he's still a 1st rounder and is darn impressive but I don't know how you can be better than the #1 overall pick unless he gets so much better that he also goes #1
That stretch of dumb penalties included all of 2010...none of 2011...and all of 2012.
What would Taylor Lewan have to do in his senior year, should he return, to become the greatest ever?
Making Jadaveon Clowney look foolish in the Outback Bowl would be a good start.
The mere fact that we're having this conversation speaks volumes about how good Lewan is.
I would live it if he took someone out of the field a la Michael Oher. I know he would get a penalty on the play, but it would be awesome to see.
As an aside, I was watching a Dolphins game earlier this season (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment) and Long looked like he was struggling a bit -- is he injured?
and was put on IR, so he's out for the season. No idea if he was hurt before that.
I believe that knee has been bothering him for a while. He's been on the injury report for several weeks, IIRC.
Thanks for the info.
It was the Thursday night game a few weeks back (11/15 vs. Buffalo) and he got beat on a couple of plays (once a bull rush right at him) that just seemed so out-of-place for him.
All of this Jake Long being the greatest O-lineman in our history is a little short sighted. Did we forget both Hutchinson and Backus? I think that is what Taylor is saying. Here at UofM there have always been great players that have come before you. You cannot judge yourself off of them, you have to be the best you can be. Backus and Hutchinson have gone on to have unbelievable NFL careers. Long is coming off of a very mediocre year. I think Long is one of the best to come out of UofM, I just think Backus and Hutchinson have to be thrown in that discussion. There are likely more before them, those are just the ones I have actually seen play.
Dan Dierdorf too. He is in that Hall of Fame thingy. Might have been pretty good.
How about we all agree that we have been lucky to watch some phenomenal offensive line play over the years? It didn't start with Jake Long (who is awesome).
Bubba Paris and Jumbo Elliott
Steve Everitt was an outstanding, legendarily tough Center at Michigan before being a first round draft pick for Cleveland
The strength of michigans best teams has always been the ofensive line. It has been an NFL factory since Bo's arrival. From Lewan,Long,Backus,Hutchinson,Jensen,Runyan,Dierdorf,Jumbo Elliott,Jon Giesler,and Jim Brandstatter all played a bit at Tackle and were all pretty successful dudes. Also Les Miles was an offensive lineman but I dont know what position he played or if he played lol.
Skrepenak, Humphries, Big Ed Muransky
Did you just compare Jeff Backus to Jake Long? Uh, not even close. I'd take Long everytime. Backus was a very, very good lineman, but he's not Jake Long, and his NFL career has only been above average. His durability has been better than his play.
And I think we're mistaken to lump "linemen" into one categroy. An OG is as different from an OT as a slot TE is from a flanker. Jake Long may very well be the best OT Michigan has ever had; Hutch might have the edge on best lineman.
But Lewan's point is well-taken: there is a LONG (see what I did there?) list of players who should be in this conversation.
To answer the OP's question: 0 sacks, dominant run-blocking on the left side, 1 or fewer penalties.
the All American and Hall of Fame Wistart brothers. They just learned their history with the new honorary jerseys and no one came before them.
you can't take the time to spell Wistert correctly?
While I gree that Jake Long was amazing and perhaps the best ever at Michigan, I think that is thrown around a bit too easily considering the long legacy of great OL that played here. We all remember Long, he had a great career, and data/info is so much easier to collect now that it makes him seem all-worldly.
So let's take a minute to discuss other great OL from past years:
Here's a list I found randomly on the web, most of the guys I know little about:
Consensus first team All-American 1971, College Football HOF, drafted 27th overall in '72 by Buffalo, where he was the leader of the offensive line that paved the way for OJ Simpson to be the first RB to gain 2,000 yds in a season in '73. He was first team All-NFL in '73 and '74.
Not only that, but Reggie was a member of the Den of the Mellow Men:
Most of the bloggers here were too young or were not in existence to remember the early 70s, less the mid and late 70s.
I was a bit too young to remember Reggie. Did not get the Michigan football bug until I turned 8 in 1972!
I'd also say it's Long on pure ability but there is a close list behind him. I'm probably the crazy one for saying this but Lewan is nowhere in the league of Long or probably the 5 or so guys right behind him in an all-time or even my lifetime sense. I'm one of those that truly do not think he is a tackle you take in the 1st round, let alone a top 10 pick like some are saying he is. To me, he just isn't ready and going one-on-one with some of those osu FRESHMAN defined that for me. Long and those close behind would have absolutely swallowed up a true frosh like Spence where Lewan was not only getting ran past but bull rushed and beaten a few times. Lewan is a very good LT and likely will go pro. He is our best OL right now, no question. He is a top 10 LT nationally, no question. Yet, is he in that class of Long and a few others? Not even close and nostalgia truly isn't running my thought process. He is just a tier away and another year getting stronger/building a base while working on footwork is in order and he could be, IMO. He could and likely will start on an NFL team next year. Will he immediately hold his own like a Long? No. I'm convinced of that. He is not a top 10 pick OT. Not sure if he is 1st round but OTs are so prized there is little chance he gets out of it. Yet, still not the mauler AND finesse OT he could be.
Friend of mine works at a school. One of the baseball players at the school is a good friend of Lewan's and he said he is gone.
I'm just saying...I could give 2 fucks about pancakes, sacks, draft status, etc bull shit, blah blah blah.
the nostalgic images of my childhood, but based totally on the eye test, Long was a much better player than Lewan is. Lewan is great, but Long went number one in the draft for a reason..
As the #1 draft pick, Long was clearly one of the best
Does anyone remember the biggest Left Tackle BUST in the NFL draft? Drafted number 2 overall before a number of future Hall of Fame players. Attended (graduated?) one of our favorite B1G sister schools.
Ill give them a hint...... was even on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and was a horse steriod taking Canadian.
Because he was more signable and demanded less money than Matt Ryan? Also, that year was terrible for QB's. Not saying Jake was underserving, but there were other factors to consider as to why he went #1. Going #1 overall does not mean you were the best lineman, err OT, in UofM's history. If he would have left a year early, he would have been the #2 OT on the board behind Joe Thomas. Hence, the reason he stayed for his senior year.