So, I'm officially confused. Apparently Tate will not transfer to Miami (YTM) after all. Due to personal reasons. It's a short article that doesn't propose what else he would do. Any word on what Tate will be up to?
alternate headline: man does job
So, I'm officially confused. Apparently Tate will not transfer to Miami (YTM) after all. Due to personal reasons. It's a short article that doesn't propose what else he would do. Any word on what Tate will be up to?
Miami just got another qb transfer this week
Bruce Feldman reported that he heard this rumor weeks before Ryan Williams (QB from Memphis) decided to transfer to Miami
I heard he was living in California taking 1 online class from the U.
Weird, I thought this was already done. I really wanna see that guy do well, I hope he's not backing away just because of a little competition.
it's not like Tate, or the family's other qb's, ever backed away from a little competition before.
/s kills jokes. I'm jus sayin'.
/s kills jokes. I'm jus sayin'.
I've seen him a few times at Rush Street, looking as cocky as ever.
I thought, "Damn, that kid is a dead ringer for Tate Forcier. Good thing he left because this guy could get up to some serious mischief like The Parent Trap or some other Disney movie." But I guess it was just ex-#5 himself.
It was posted by someone from espn, that his attendance was in doubt before the news of the transfer.
Come on Tate, go to GVSU!
I don't see any reason why this shouldn't happen.
My prediction is he will go to GRCC to be with the no fly zone himself, then go to GVSU. Okay, maybe not, but I wish.
+1 for the Brak avatar.
He belongs at a smaller school. He is just a little small and a little weak-armed for an elite-level, D-1 team,. He has all of the skills, though, and could dominate in a smaller conference or a lower division. Then, when he graduates, he could help his family do a QB school correctly.
seems we are all growing up and away from that beautiful day
Remember that one? Where Mark Snyder predicted that an in-turmoil Michigan would lose at home to Western Michigan and their NFL-ready QB? There was of course the maiden voyage of the Starship Denard in that game (fumble, pick it up, run for TD in that order), but I still think that the play of that game was Tate's east-sideline improv for Michigan's first touchdown in what started out as one of the most nervous, high-tension games in my lifetime of watching Michigan football. (Just six days post-Freep jihad.)
And Illinois '10. I know a lot of people despised that game. A lot of people are completely stupid. They proved it that day; as I drove home from one of the most gorgeous weather days at the Big House in years, and a thrilling Triple OT win with more points scored than most Big Ten basketball games -- a win that clearly had our players fired up -- I was treated to the radio mouth-breathers wondering if a win was really a good thing for Michigan, because it might prolong the tenure of Rich Rodriguez.
I'm pretty sure the "redundant" category was made just for you.
Forcier's a talented player; I don't think anyone really disputes that. But he is also a headcase. I don't think that can be disputed, either. He became a major distraction to the program and many of his own teammates were getting tired of it.
I guess to be fair to him, his father may be the real culprit for sending his boys to work with Marv Marinovich and putting delusions of grandeur in their minds. Some parents need to stop living vicariously through their kids.
Just curious, what is your source for
He became a major distraction to the program and many of his own teammates were getting tired of it.
Am I just out of the loop or do you have some kind of inside knowledge?
Didn't Troy Woolfolk publicly call him "diseased?" I seem to remember a few interviews where he was criticized by his teammates.
And after his dismissal, there were some choice words for him from ex-teammates. One player, when asked what Tate did, said "What didn't he do?"
Source: Those of us not living under a rock, oblivious to the world around them.
Even Tate himself admitted that, after seeing himself on the cover of Sports Illustrated, he got really cocky and didn't treat the team or coaches very well. I suppose you also remember his lack of wings last offseason, I doubt it was for good behavior.
Miami's got too many QB's right now; transferring there would be a bad move for him. Who needs a QB right now? Boise's going to need one next year.
Doesn't Miami have 2? Morris and Williams?
They also have Jacory Harris and some walk-on who was at the top of the depth chart during spring workouts.
Boise St actually got a commitment from Nick Patti, of Orlando Dr Phillips fame.
I heard that Miami's academic standards are too high.
I heard it was the weather that turned him off.
Who named you the Ayatollah Bromeini?
Edit: Yeah this was supposed to be one more Magnus reply down. Fail.
its really a shame for tate, if he kept his shit together he would of been prolly a fine qb for us, hell I bet if he applied himself he would of started last year. I love Denard and glad he is our starter but tate had potential
I'm not sure he could've done better than one of the most dominating statistical seasons of any QB ever. Denard had beaten him out for the job because he was a much better player. Yes, Tate had potential and was very talented, but not as much as Denard.
what he was trying to say was that, based on Tate's previous season, he seemed like he could have still been a solid option at the QB position. I'm glad we went w/ Denard, that was by far the most exciting Michigan QB I've ever seen, but I think there are only a few people who would have predicted that he'd have that kind of a blow out year.
Don't get me wrong, Denard should have been the QB, there is no disputing that. But if Tate would have kept it together and worked as hard as he should have, he would have certainly contended for the position. Instead, Denard outworked him, won the starting slot and made history. Not a bad way to go.
If he worked his tail off (which he could have, i wasn't there), we wouldn't be wondering about DG's medical redshirt. That's about it.
I think both Denard and Tate are quite talented. The catch is Denard's skill set was a better fit for RR wanted - a QB with speed who can keep defenses honest with his arm.
I'd love to see what Tate could do in a Northwestern style offense. Maybe I'm off base but I've looked at NU's offense the last few years as one that relies on a QB to throw a decent amount (but doesn't necessarily require a rocket for an arm) but also has good mobility and can use his feet to keep the chains moving.
Tate might just be the perfect guy for a system like Northwestern, at least I would not look forward to playing against him.
On the other hand, the academic standards at Northwestern would probably not be the best fit for him... but I still root for the kid. He won me over with that last drive against MSU in '09. Still maybe the guttiest thing I've seen from a Michigan QB ever, much less for a true frosh.
Un-ironic use of the word "bro" will not be tolerated.
i always thought that with all the prep work tate did to become a top qb he may have been pretty close to his ceiling as a freshman while denard was so raw his ceiling was so far away. tate was as good as you could have expected as a true freshman but maybe there just wasn't that much room for improvement as far as his capabilities. i still wish the kid well though.
Of course there was room for improvement inTate's game. Jesus, some of the decisions he made to throw certain balls, trying to make something where there was nothing, took me right out of my easy chair. His propensity to run around was at times productive, and at other times disastrous. And yet he could create more than alot of Div. 1 QB's.
I agree with most of you who say he has some family history scripting issues, and he clearly did not make the grades. However, he gutted out alot of games with heart, even when injured. He needs some maturing, what kid doesn't, especially those 'groomed' for 'certain' success. I think "head case" is a little strong. He has no criminal history, he's done nothing terribly embarrassing to himself or the UM. He loafed during practice and RR disciplined him for it. He lost his starting status and moped a little bit. He responded as best he could when entering games due to DR's injuries, etc. I wish him well. Cocky? whatever..We all can appreciate Denard's class, enthusiam, work ethic, etc., but I wish Tate was there with Gardner still.
Rarely do you get the combo of "would of" and "prolly" in the same post, let alone the same sentence and phrase.
I wish Tate the best, hopefully he grows up soon and can play right away somewhere without sitting out a year.
Maybe he'll end up in Pittsburg
QBForce doesn't have a long Twitter rant about this, but it still proudly recalls the family moving their kids around to different Pop Warner leagues so everyone could play QB. How could anything have gone wrong?
is a complete headcase. whole family is delusional...... none of this should be surprising.
Could his grades not be good enough to transfer?
I just remember his electric start at Michigan and him being mentioned early on as a Heisman Trophy candidate.
In retrospect, that was the worst thing that could of happened to him. It seems that the hype went to his head and things like "going to class" were no longer important.
Tate and Denard both in the same class and complete opposite personalities.
This was brought up on the Beatniks on WTKA a week or two ago and they were saying that he didnt qualify academically. I typically take what they say with a grain of salt as they arent always the most accurate but this time it appears to be true.
Seriously, he should go to AZ. Foles will be gone next year and being closer to he might help keep his head screwed on.
If there's one thing that family struggles with, it's keeping their heads on straight. That's their biggest problem. Maybe if he went somewhere on the East Coast and got rid of his phone and email account.
Any chance he comes back to us?
That was actually the first thing I thought of when I read the article, but if grades were the issue of him leaving, I don't think so. Especially with everything that happened between the Forciers and Brandon. I wouldn't complain if he did, though
If memory serves, the 1996 season was spent with a QB by the name of Griese off the team for disciplinary reasons.
People DO change every now and then. Redemption is possible.
Just saying I'd like to have him back if possible.
Very good point - I'd love to see him mature and be able to be back on the team. We'd have three very good QB's on the roster and with Morris, probably wouldn't have to worry about getting one this year
I don't think he would be worth the scholorship spot tbh, we have 3 qbs now, his elidgability would be done same as denards (unless he redshirts his JR year) . way to much talent were in play for this year to give up a scholorship that could go to a freshmen at a position of need or a prospect QB with full elldigablity left.
We do have Russell Bellomy.
But Russell Bellomy is going to be a true freshman who has never played a down of college football. Not that he doesn't have potential, but personally, if Denard goes down to injury (I am not even going to address the whole "if he doesn't fit the offense" because in my opinion that is crap - Denard has a great arm, great speed and probably more talent than 90% of starting QBs, so he will be fine in any offense), I would be much more comfortable having Tate as the back-up to Devin than Bellomy. Hell, if Denard goes down, I would be more comfortable having Tate start.
Not me. I would much rather give the freshman a shot. Tate had his chance, and scholarships are hard to come by.
But a true frosh who didn't enroll early is not exactly what you want to rely on at QB. I don't normally worry too much about who is 3rd on our depth chart, but given the time DR has missed in the past, a solid 3rd option would be nice to have. That said, it's still "nice to have", and not OMG, DOOM, if Kennedy/Bellomy is the QB of last resort.
if you need to go to 3rd (which would most likely be Bellomy by mid season if not at the beginning of the season) on your depth chart for anything but mop-up your season is pretty toast anyway...
Being two compotent QBs away from disaster is actually 1 more QB than most teams have.
Be real careful with that. None of them is a proven pocket passer...having a guy like Forcier ready to go might not be such a bad thing. The Tate-Denard tandem was pretty effective at times last year.
I can't tell if you're replying to my post (after page 1, the formatting of the thread gettings a little weird on my computer), so if you're not, whoops.
Don't get me wrong, having Forcier back would help with depth and I would appreciate having him as a back-up. But the mentality that QB depth is a problem is off, in my opinion. Michigan has an excellent starter and an up-coming, presumably compotent back-up. I'm not saying they should turn a 3rd QB away or anything, but QB does not have a scary lack of depth (as I've heard many people describe it).
Also, is Forcier a "proven pocket passer?" Yes he's a polished passer, but he's pretty little to camp out in the pocket.
When he was our starting QB we all knew he was very impatient in the pocket. I wouldn't exactly call him a QB with pocket presence.
I don't believe he missed any games.
Griese was definitely on the team in 1996, he lost the starting job to a newly-healthy Dreisbach, before replacing him at the end of season. So if Griese was disciplined, he was never off the team (at least not during the season).
Wasn't Forcier not just off the team but also out of the university? It was my understanding that he had failed out. I guess I never heard that specifically, but he had serious grade issues and then he was gone, so I suppose I just put two and two together.
Was Tate dismissed from the university, or just suspended? I can't remember the details, but a suspension makes sense and perhaps he is trying to at least get back on the academic bandwagon at Michigan before he tries transferring?
Not sure if Greise started the game, but Greise was the one who QB'd UM in the second half when they upset OSU 13-9.
Driesbach played the first half, and then was benched (either due to injury, or ineffectiveness, or a combination of the two) for the second.
My point is clearly stronger with Griese being off the team for the entire year instead of your watered down version of history.
Can we please not confuse this debate with facts?r
I think Griese may have missed spring ball after the Scorekeepers incident, but he was reinstated by August.
After watching the comeback game against Notre Dame in person and then the gritty performance in the loss against Michigan St. my intial thought was "wow...we're gonna be watching this kid lead our program into its next phase". As we all know it didnt exactly turn out that way but I'm guessing Tate felt more robbed than we did. After a very impressive rookie campaign, he thought he had the keys to kingdom (however misguided that self inflated opinion might have been) only to find himself publicly humiliated with a Wingless-helmet and sitting on the bench. He clearly had some growing up to do and some work to put in but I can't imagine the personal feeling of dejection he must have gone through. That's a lot to put on a young kid. He might have been great, he might have been average, he might have been benched in favor of Gardner if Denard didn't pan out, doesn't really matter. All we know is that a young kid had the world at his feet one moment with Sports Illustrated covers and darkhorse Heisman chatter, and in the blink of an eye everything was gone.
It seems to me that the whole "You've got to earn your wings" scheme was a failure. It's like a public shaming, but nobody knows what it was for except the coaches, the player, and maybe his teammates. Meanwhile, everybody on the internet knew which players were wing-less.
If a kid's on the team, he ought to be able to dress the same way as the rest of his teammates. If he has to do extra work to get in the coaches' good graces, then he ought to run some extra sprints, come in early, etc.
In my opinion, that's just a bad coaching move on Rodriguez's part.
If you have to chastise or have a yell at someone you should be doing it in private. When you want to praise someone you do it in public. Taking off the wings was a public humiliation and I don't think it is appropriate for some college kids trying to play football and go to school. Any punishments could/should have taken place out of the eye of the public.
and the don't forget the,"Vince Lombardi couldn't make this defense good" episode. I wonder how the kids felt after that?
about experience not talent. That quote was taken way out of centext. I'd expect someone who has been on here as much as you have to be able to disern between what is said and what the talking heads make it sound to be.
It's still something I don't want the head coach to say.
He still shouldn't have expunged such a sloppy mess from his mouth. It is a demoralizing load from any angle, regardless of context. Does the fact that it was about experience and not talent make it any better? Not for me. Still scarily stupid, and wholly unnecessary. From the moment that bologna was uttered, the players were deemed hopeless in the eyes of their head coach - hopeless even with the hypothetical teachings of a legend, Now, that's how you instill fire and confidence in your players and get them motivated to work. Tell them a iconic coach will not be able to make them good this season, so what hope do their shitty coaches have? "Might as well just sit back and let offenses pound you, youngins." But, truly, it didn't matter. The players and all of us knew that the HC thought defenses were merely a bunch of dudes that his offense could practice against, so why should he care if he demoralizes them with his free flowing throat garbage?
Also, I'm only here to post hilarious movies and photos, so I rarely read the latest apologies for a certain person's action and speech.
was well written and I agree. RR said some pretty unfortunate things at times, and that one was probably the worst. It was self-excusing and insulting to the players. Good job articulating that Mr. Rogers.
by the comment that maybe they'd find a kicker at a rest stop on the way to Pennsylvania. Our kickers had a terrible season, but given half the battle with kicking is confidence, one has to wonder if RR's complaints about the kickers didn't exacerbate the situation.
Yeah, this was not one of his better traits. Whether he intended it or not, there were times when he came off as though he was blaming his players when the team performed poorly. The Zoltan punt fiasco was like this as well. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and say it's your fault as the coach. You're paid the big bucks.
I forgot about that one. Inexusable to insult your players in that manner. Should have said we need to be a much better job coaching the kickers, and avoid trashing those poor guys like that.
don't let that leadership meme from NROTC influence you. /s
Actually, I agree, keeping it within the fort is the right thing to do. On the other hand, I don't think the coaching staff intended for the "earning your wings" thing to be public. They screwed up though, and should have issued winged helmets when BTN came to town.
Everybody mentions ND '09. There's also Illinois '10. I think if Tate hadn't had the experience he had in OT against MSU in '09 -- if Denard had been playing in OT for the first time -- that Illinois game may have turned out differently.
It was obvious at the end of the UConn game that Tate was sitting there thinking wtf happened? How did I get here? Not an easy realization to overcome at his age, in his position. So, I hope Tate gets his act together and goes on to succeed somewhere else.
Lol thanks for reminding me, been a long time.
I hope he gets his head together and gets to play somewhere else as well.
it meant something to be on the Michigan football team.
I agree with your take, however.
This - RR was blamed for not "getting" Michigan, and yet this showed he knew at least one thing special about Michigan. It's not like Bo was known for going soft on people. I imagine Bo justice on a self-involved player who didn't put in the work would have been equally harsh, if not as public.
And anyway, how is the wingless helmet thing any worse (or any different) than the "Golden Lophers" T-shirts Jerry Kill made some of his players wear? He was, generally, roundly praised for those.
The next test for Jerry Kill is whether he can utilize a Twitter feed without TRY FIGHT WIN-type substance all over the place.
As far as I know, Jerry Kill hasn't proven to be a success at Minnesota. So it's not quite clear if that worked or not.
Even if Bo would have done something like that, though, he wouldn't necessarily be able to do that in 2010 or 2011. Times are changing. You just can't embarrass or ride kids like you used to be able to. Just ask Craig James how he feels about that...
The "Earn Your Wings" thing may have been Bo-like, but it might not work for Bo now, either.
Then, just in case anybody missed him going wingless why dont we have him THINK he's the #2 QB for the Conneticut game and when Denard goes down for a series have him warm up and just as he's ready to run in grab Devon and send him in instead.
That ought to drive the point him to the entire world that he's done something bad. Public humiliation on that scale is uncalled for regardless of the incident. If it was that bad he should've been tossed from the team and not subjected to that.
I lost a lot of respect for RR as a person when he did that to him.
Thats not public humiliation, thats football coaching. Maybe he thought devin was a better player at that point in time, or, like someone else said, maybe Tate did something really stupid. Something so stupid it caused him to miss gametime
It’s clear RR did not think Gardner was actually better than Forcier, because Gardner was never used where the game was on the line. He played a grand total of three meaningless snaps vs. UConn and Notre Dame, and then mop-up duty vs. Bowling Green. He was never seen again. When Denard went down vs. Illinois with the outcome in doubt, it was Forcier who got the call.
I therefore have to think the demotion to 3rd string was mainly to get Forcier's head in gear, and not because Rodriguez actually thought that Gardner was the better QB to go in and win a game. If Gardner doesn't get his medical redshirt, the relatively limited action he saw, just for the purpose of disciplining Forcier, starts to look awfully costly.
Then tell him before the game. I have to respectfully disagree that leading a player to believe they are the back-up and then putting someone else in instead is NOT coaching....it's a person taking advantadge of their position of power over someone else to publically humiliate them.
IMO "coaching" would've been to pull him aside and tell him before the game that you arent playing no matter what. Letting him think he's the back-up and having him warm up and then putting Devon in was nothing short of cruel and served no purpose.
FWIW, I don't think we actually know what Forcier was told prior to the game. He could have been told he would be 3rd string. He might not have been.
But I agree that it's not "football coaching" to surprise somebody like that. Communication is key in being a leader. Coaches are obviously leaders, so if they're poor communicators, that's bad news.
He was warming up on the sidelines and had put his helmet on. Clearly HE thought he was 2nd string so if there was communication to him prior to the game it was poorly done at best.
While you are correct in saying we don't know what was said pre game I think it's safe to say, based on Tate's actions when Denard went down, that he considered himself #2 (as did Devon if you view his inaction the in the same light as Tate's actions).
I know you coach football and i have as well in my past. If you do that to one player you send a powerful and negative message to the rest of the team that you might be next.
What makes you think Tate wouldn't have considered himself the #2 (or #1) even if he had been told he was the #3? We can't know for sure either way, but in a tossup between "Tate feeling entitled" and "RR being explicitly dishonest" I'd lean toward the former.
There's a fine line when it comes to a player's mentality.
Forcier should have worked during the off-season like he had something to prove. There's lots of evidence to suggest that he thought he was on top of the world and didn't have to be a great student, citizen, etc.
HOWEVER, Forcier also had every reason to expect to be no lower than #2 on the depth chart. You don't take a 12-game starter and demote him to #3 - behind a true freshman, no less - without fully explaining what's going on and why. If that didn't happen, then it should have. Players need to know what to expect. Otherwise, there are going to be issues.
I am not looking to continue the whole RR debate, but how much of Tate's downfall is a result of (1) the toxic environment that took over our team last year, and (2) RR's handling of the whole QB issue.
Obviously, Tate had a ton of maturing to do. Growing up with an overbearing father and being partially home-schooled will do that to you. But, I really do agree with the sentiment that many expressed that RR completely mis-handled Tate in relation to the 2010 season. The whole losing his wings thing was not only publicly humiliating, but it is not the way to bring a team together. Ditto for putting Devin in against UConn just to make a point (putting aside the complete idiocy of buring a RS for a few snaps!).
Part of being a coach is knowing how to handle different players. Some players respond well to being berated on the sidelines (as RR did in 2009 to Tate), losing their wings and being publicly shamed into being good citizens. Others, those that are less mature or are a bit more fragile in the who psyche, may respond to that type of discipline by coming unglued altogether.
To me, Tate had great talent, but he was simply not managed well. Much of that is on Tate, of course, but much of it is on RR, as well. I wonder how Tate would have responded had RR called him into his office, and calmly handed him signed transfer papers saying "perhaps this is in your best interest, since you obviously don't want to be a Michigan Man" as Lloyd did to Braylon.
RR isn't the only one that had a falling out with the Forciers though - apparently Dave Brandon did as well. And that family is clearly a bit whack. And this whole "transferring to Miami - not really" seems to indicate that they're still a bit loopy. Finally, Tate's ultimate downfall wasn't lack of playing time or attitude in the weight room, it was failure to do his homework - and that's on Tate.
Yes, it's important to manage lots of different personalities if you're a football HC, but some kids are unmanageable, and you can't hurt the team to keep one guy happy. RR probably played a role, but at least from what we've seen, I'd say it's maybe 10% RR 10% circumstance 10% Denard is a beast and a friendly one at that and 70% Tate.
I wasn't saying that Tate and his nutty family are not at fault. My only point is that we may never have gotten to this point - the fallout with DB, the whole failure to do his homework, etc. - had RR handled Tate differently.
I am not claiming to know - although I bet Bacon's book will shed more light on it - about the details of the RR-Tate relationship. But, it makes sense than when you have a kid with a fragile psyche from a sheltered, pressure-filled background, embarassing that kid in front on his teammates (the wings) and then millions of fans on TV (Devin against UConn) may not be the best way to handle the situation. Hell, the kid was coming off of a season where he was on the cover of SI, and was even being mentioned as a Heisman candidate for 1/2 of the season (as a true freshman). Going from that to losing his wings and not even being the back-up had to be next to impossible.
He wasn't the only guy that went wingless, just the highest profile. Should RR have gone easier on him than the rest of the players just because Tate had a larger, more fragile ego? Regardless of the wisdom of the earn your wings stuff, once you've decided on doing it you can't change the rules for one player.
Not saying that Tate should have been treated differently - he shouldn't have done the "no wings" thing for anyone. Punishment should be done privately.
Make the kids who slacked do stairs at 6:00 a.m for a month or so as Lloyd did. It sure worked out well with Braylon and others.
Had Tate handled himself differently, he never would have gotten here. What if he said "I was on SI as a freshman, I should work my ass of to be on SI every week" as opposed to doing whatever he did to lose his wings? (miss work outs, classes, whatever it was).
It's a big what if game. Maybe RR didn't manage him perfectly, but this in my eyes is on Tate. He said himself it's so hard to fail out of Michigan, but he did
RR made his share of mistakes but I don't see this as a huge one. He probably did something similar at WVU to discipline players, and we don't know about it because it worked out. Given the history of the three Forcier boys (all three transferred) and the fact that Tate had a tendency to let the whole world know whenever he was upset (whether by twitter, texting reporters or making his body language obvious, like in the UConn game), I think we're just talking about a case of a kid with an entitled attitude who hasn't had enough people say "No" to him in his lifetime.
As one of the RR supporters, I agree with you. It appeared to me to be intended as a very public humiliation rather than just a punishment, and there's a vast difference between the two.
I was a vocal RR supporter but have to agree that the "wingless" helmet may have been a bit over the top but I don't think it was that big a deal really. If you've played sports you know you have to have thick skin, and if the worst thing that happens to you is you get shown up in public by your coach...that's not too big a deal. I don't think it is too much for a young 20 something with an ego the size of California to deal with.
As to the rest of the feedback about Devin and the red shirt and Tate thinking he is the number two...I have to call BS. First of all, none of us know what RR said or didn't say to Tate prior to that game, but what we do know know is Tate was in the dog house for numerous reason and was being disciplined in some form.
I have been reading this blog for a long time and I know how important people think integrity is around here. So lets say that Tate was being disciplined for all that had transpired since the previous season and part of that discipline is he doesn't get to play in the UCONN game. What should RR have done? Let him go in to save face since he threw on his helmet and started warming up? Perhaps he should have let him go in to save Devin's redshirt?
I know what the answer to these questions would be if the coach was anyone but RR. Everyone would have come down on RR for being like MD if he let Tate play just to save Devin's redshirt. They would have shit on him if he put Tate in regardless of the fact that he was being disciplined because he was clearly a better option than Devin as well.
It is clear that some people just continue to want to bitch about RR and pick apart every decision he made while at UM. Let's just give it a break. He's gone now and we have what so many fans who were calling for RR's head wanted in the first place...a "michigan man". So lets just leave the whole RR shit in the past and move on for pete sake.
We can all agree that he made some poor decisions and at times exercised poor judgement, which can be said of just about evey person I have ever met. The bottom line is none of this bitching is going to change anything, so let's just be happy and look to the future (which looks bright for UM).
Agreed on this. I thought it was over the top.
Maybe more importantly, in continuing to make the point RR jeapordized Gardner's redshirt. That bothered me even more.
I have always thought that the handling of 2009 did not help either. While Tate's stats fell later in the season, in part because competition got better, they also fell because he got hurt. I understand why you don't talk about your qb being hurt during the season, I don't think it was asking to much for RR to stand up for Tate after the season and talk about how gritty he was and how much Tate took one for the team. While Tate had every chance to just man up and deal with it, I can see why feeling like having his coach didn't have his back hurt. While his immaturity did not help, most people I know don't do as good a job for bosses that don't have their backs.
While Bo was a tough disciplinarian, he also had his players backs. There were a number of post game comments from RR that made it seem to me that wasn't as much the case with RR
Alfred E. Newman
therefore, i miss him.
Nice to have you back and posting again. You are six kinds of crazy, with which I have empathy.
Technically, you can remove "YTM" from the title of the post. I don't think he's transferring to Miami (YTM) OR Miami (NTM)
We'll always have Notre Dame.
I was at that game, and oh man, does watching those videos bring back some serious shivers to my spine.
I admit it: I'm still carrying a torch for my coach-crush on RR. Okay?
The club meets Tuesday nights at 8:00 in Section 1's basement. There's a $20 membership fee which goes towards snacks and refreshments.
I really like Tate. Notice I still do. I think he got a little cocky and definetly devoloped a dickish attitude but give the guy a break, he is what 20 years old? I am 24 and I can attest that I get a little swollen when I'm dropping tres on fools at the gym.
In all seriousness though, I thought Tate was a good young player and he was very accurate. That may be the most underrated part of his game. So he made some erronious reads from time to time...we only saw him as a fresh and a little as a sophmore. I wish him the best of luck wherever it is he ends up.
I remember when Montana was mentioned as a possible destination. I think that would be perfect for him; he needs to be in a place where he'll be the unquestioned starter and get lots of reps. Grand Valley might work, too.
Tate wasn't raised like most kids. Failure doesn't seem to be an option in that family. To put it precisely, they don't seem to handle demotion to second-string (or lack of ascendance to the top job) very well.
up at the University of What Could Have Been, a great football school with such prestigous alums as Scott Dreisbach and Ron Powlus.
I hear the HC of their FB team is RR. Not looking good for Tate there, either.
when i saw that they were getting another transfer, then that Tate wasn't going to go, my first thought was 'what a little bitch'.
Any parent that lets their kid be coached by Marv Marinovich needs to have CPS come and take the child away.
I wouldn't say that, it's more for clarification, since, ya know, there's two of them.
I heard he's transferring here since they have experience putting guys in the NFL. http://tinyurl.com/43e8dws
Is Tate Forcier a Michigan Man?
Not that surprised since he does seem a little non-commital. I don't get the hate for the guy - I'm sure he is a bit of a headcase, but so are a whole slew of guys who play D-1 ball. Mallett, Newton, Pryor - those are just a couple of guys who pop in my head as being "troublemakers" at least as much as Tate, but they won more with better teams so everyone gives them a free pass. Tate definitely disappointed with his work ethic at times both on and off the field, but he also played hurt for this team and gave them some hope during those tough years. I'm not saying people shouldn't take issue with some of the decisions he's made, but nobody should question that he played hard for UM and had some great memories.
Regardless of what people think of Tate, having one more proven QB in the fold was nice. I hope he gets it together somewhere.
Grades the reason for not getting into Miami... that seems hard to fathom.
hahahahah! so perfect
ESPN was just saying it was a "family decision." He'd probably benefit from not making decisions with his family anymore.
As for grades, Miami is a fine school, but a QB with his background doesn't really need to worry about grades if the staff wants him as long as he meets NCAA mins.
FWIW, I was working at the Central Michigan Spring Game and I interviwed Austin White after the game and I saw Tate there hanging out w/Austin and his family. Not sure this means anything. I certainly didn't think so at the time because I assumed he was going to The U.
I worked at Buffalo Wild Wings for a bit, and after a home game Tate and a group of his friends (apparently not teammates) came in and were looking for seats. Problem was, we were over capacity, as football Saturdays are inevitably packed. This didn't seem to compute with our favorite tot, and he raised a huge stink about not getting a seat, pulling the "don't you know who I am?" line for about a half hour before storming out.
I can understand, but not excuse, arrogance. I do not understand douchebaggery, however. I don't feel too much sympathy for the kid.
I loved the kid until he decided to put himself ABOVE the program.
I liked him too, and have to admit that my girlfriend had one of those "May the Forcier be With You" shirts, and wore it proudly.
Well as far as Tate is concerned, I think he is still reeling from his academic debacle from Michigan. I would guess those incomplete grades turned into dismal grades of D's or F's and he could not pass the academic sniff test. A couple semesters of junior college might help him get over the academic hump, and then perhaps he will land on his feet someplace else, but he needs to figure out his life, if he doesn't end up back in college football, let alone the NFL. That is a tall order for a young kid, who has had high expectations from his parents and peers for many years, and if he is a head-case, then perhaps he needs some serious counseling.
I hope you guys get the post RR sarcasm out of your system, sometime this decade. No wonder he has taken a year off to recuperate and let the dust settle.
As far as Michigan football goes, this year of rebuilding, may not be as satisfying as some would expect. How would everyone feel, if we lose to ND this year for the first time since Lloyd Carr left?