According to 97.1, RR just said in a press conference that Tate suffered a mild concussion during the game. PLEASE BE OKAY TATE!
Tate had a concussion
No wonder RR gets paid millions of dollars to coach this football team and we are on our couch...
RR said that he didn't know tate had a concussion until after the game and it didn't affect his decision to play denard.
said he thinks it's a mild one, but they will know more today. He still had a headache yesterday and this morning when he came for treatment. RR said he has to be cleared by Wed. to play Saturday.
RR denied that he had to pull Tate off the field on the last drive by DRob. RR is really trying to protect his kids.
Also, Wednesday practices now closed the rest of the season due to details of plays showing up in the papers or on blogs. VERY interesting.
Who leaked the info? Come on, fess up.
1. let's hope tate is ok.
2. this is interesting. i recall a couple student assistants and/or friends of them coming on and giving details about practices over the last few weeks but didn't think much of it. you really think RR is referring to this? wouldn't surprise me but still, it seems a little far-fetched.
Iowa must have seen in the papers and blogs how many times Michigan was going to try to turn it over, and were ready for it.
We're becomming too predictable.
The Iowa players were quoted as saying they did not have to practice too hard for our turnovers. They knew what we were going to do.
If Tate has to be cleared by Wednesday to play on Saturday, why was Tebow able to play Saturday night after only being cleared hours before??? Like ESPN and CBS needed any more hype put into this game.
because Tebow's the son of god
"If Tate has to be cleared by Wednesday to play on Saturday, why was Tebow able to play Saturday night after only being cleared hours before??? Like ESPN and CBS needed any more hype put into this game."
Cleared by Wednesday may be Michigan policy and UF might have a different one...didn't RR say once that if a guy can't practice Wednesday he doesn't want to play him in the game? I.e. if Tate is cleared Wednesday he can practice and thus be ready for the game.
My guess is that Tebow's symptoms went away earlier in the week, but he had not been in the "several days without symptoms" window until he was tested on Saturday.
It's hard to track a "mild concussion" because it's mild. Tebow's condition was more severe, giving doctors a more detailed read on which symptoms they had to watch.
i saw comments on woolfolk being moved to CB and williams probably starting in his stead at safety. not sure that was public info.
honestly, i think practices should be closed too, especially in this information age.
we want OSU to be surprised when DRob shows up in the slot or at halfback.
Hmm... maybe THAT'S why he tried to run on. A little disoriented, and he saw the offense going out.
Good job RR! Keeping kids healthy is the top priority. Always.
According to the Toledo blade RR said he didn't know of the concussion when he put Robinson in over Tate:
"Rodriguez did not know of the concussion when he inserted backup Denard Robinson for UM’s final two drives."
Sure he might not have known it was a concussion until after the game, but he obviously saw that Tate wasn't performing as expected. SOMETHING was affecting him. So RR went with his gut and pulled him. Turned out to be the right decision, whether or not he knew the details at the time.
said he expects him to play Saturday. could very well be one of those 'concussions' football players get all the time without realizing it.
indications Tate was not himself late at Iowa:
- Missed a sign from sideline on the 3rd and long from his own 1; Minor saw the sign, noticed tate had not adjusted, and called timeout (2nd of 2nd half)
- Delay of Game penalty at the start of the next drive; when you draw a delay of game penalty with a hurry-up no-huddle, something is amiss.
A mild concussion explains the disorientation and lapses of management. Tate has always done very well in managing the game clock in the past. I was sort of shocked that he allowed a delay of game.
I was baffled by both the plays Engin77 mentioned. I thought something was wrong on the 3rd and long as well. Tate was going to let time expire and take the penalty. Not that it really matters from the one and maybe it would have been better to take the penalty and conserve the TO. But clearly he was confused by something. And then the actual delay of game on the next series. Confused again.
Even if it was just nerves and confusion and not a concussion, it's OK. Tate is allowed such screw ups. He is a freshman on the road. RichRod was right to pull him.
Also on the last drive when Denard and the team took the field and Tate seemed to start to jog on the field after them. That's when RR stopped him and patted him on the head. That whole scene really seemed odd to me at the time, a concussion explains the weird behavior.
A mild concussion explains a lot of what happened later in the game with Tate. Does anyone know when the "concussion" occurred? I am thinking it was in the 3rd when he was in the end zone and got leveled after he over threw Stonum. If I am not mistaken that is immediately before he missed the call and they had to call a timeout.
Even if you don't KNOW that Tate had a concussion, if you're Coach Rod, haven't you been around enough players in your time to know when your guy just isn't right. Look at what he said on Saturday something to the effect of "I inserted Denard to get a spark, and I thought that spark was still lit." If you don't feel like your guy is getting it done, you look at your options and you worry about the coach 'em up aspect of it next week in practice. Does anyone think that Coach Rod would not have had a nice long talk with his quarterback(s) after Saturday, or after every game, especially when they're freshmen? It doesn't make sense.
Main point: I don't need a medical diagnosis to know that something isn't right, it's just nice, sometimes, to have that confirmed. Also, feel better Tate and can we please be careful with him, as concussions are a tricky thing.
IIRC Richrod after the game made comments about how D rob was the right QB at that time, and made no mention whatsoever of Tate being taken out because he had suffered an injury of any kind.
I'm not sure at what point Tate suffered the concussion in the game. But if he truly was still disoriented enough to run out onto the field because of a concussion suffered even in the last play of the last series he played, then he is decidedly NOT OK (from my medical perspective). Hate to say it, and I hope it isn't true.
For whatever reason, Tate wasn't himself. Whether it was because he was injured or was freaking out on the road, it was the right decision to pull him.
Interesting in light of the week long media obsession as to whether Tebow would play against LSU. "He won't be cleared until Saturday, if at all," "Game time decision," etc. BTW, did anyone believe that he *wasn't* going to play?
Sorry about the OTishness.
Probably explainable by difference in severity--concussions have a pretty wide spectrum of debilitation, although every one should be taken seriously.
Either that or RR doesn't want to be asked every five minutes how they'll do without Tate, and Meyer loves creating a story for the reporters.
More OT: A teammate in high school JV ball caught a big pass to nearly finish a game-winning drive and completely got his bell rung--turned out to be a concussion. After the game when we were all celebrating in the locker room (no homo) he just kept asking who won the game, nodding, and then asking it again. Later he lost all memory of the game happening.
There was some play in the second half where Adrian Clayborn hit Forcier and Tate hit the ground kind of hard, with his helmet banging the turf.
Angry Michigan tiny-nimble-white-boy Hating God?!?!?! First McGuffie and now Tate? Couldn't the angry Michigan hating god at least see fit to give us our death-bot receiver?
Our's is but to watch and cry.
Any concussion, no matter how severe, can affect memory, judgment, speech, balance and coordination. Every concussion is a brain injury. They don't always need to involve a head impact.
In Tate's case, he was hit several times during the game, but his head did not hit the ground. The jarring force of the tackle might have been enough. At any rate, it explains much of what we saw from him on the field late in the game.
I dunno...I mean, Jimmy Potempa stayed healthy...
I also remember the sideline reporter remarking that, when responding to RR, Tate said something to the effect of "I don't know what you're asking me to do." Now, a lot of posters on the board Sat night remarked that Tate was "talking back" to coach. But it didn't sound like back-talk to me, it sounded like either a head injury or an emotional breakdown. Tate's recent performances make door #2 unlikely. News of a mild concussion makes sense now.
knew that Tate had a concussion or not, he definitely felt something was off with him and that's probably one of the reasons for taking him out, in addition to DRob playing well on the previous drive.
I think the best thing all around would be to rest Forcier on Saturday, thus removing the risk of another concussion and allowing his shoulder to heal a little more, and let D Rob play most of the game. I would like to see what D Rob can do with an entire game against a cupcake with an entire week to practice and know he has to be "the man" on Saturday.
I think the drive against Iowa shows that he is ready to be a major college QB. The experience would be great for when he is expected to be a "change of pace" against PSU or OSU.
I agree with that... Let Tate get healthy for two weeks until we get psu... We don't need him against Del St. The running backs should go nuts like they did against EMU... Those speedy little fellas will always dominate in a game against cupcake opponents. I agree it would be nice to let Denard practice the entire week, and get an entire game to see what he can do. That should help him in the upcoming games.
You just can't fully emulate a game situation in practice.
Denard needs lots more "real" reps. Tate needs a rest and healing time.
Both will be better prepared for Penn State because of it.
but Denard has shown very little ability to make the passing reads he needs to. I would worry about a loss to a cupcake with Denard getting all the snaps - but it could also be a boost to our running game.
But... our lines should Completely dominate their lines. I haven't really looked, but i know that Del St has a pretty crappy record in their Own division. This isn't a case like App St.. We should literally be able to tell them we will run the ball off tackle on every play, and still get 5+ per carry. I'm sure emu could physically dominate this Del St team. Michigan ran wild in that game. Michael Shaw and Carlos Brown's speed can not be contained by a 1AA team.
It's pretty cookbook, really. If he has any amnesia associated with the game/concussion (like Viso's friend), he needs to sit for a week, regardless of the opponent. I'm just glad we get D State (though it's the only game I'm coming to AA to see all year and was looking forward to seeing him). He should not play.
I don't know what Tebow's doctors were smoking, but that is not a game time decision.
Not good news, since Tate already had a grade 3 concussion in high school.
Tate should sit. We don't want to take any chances, and really, we should be able to beat this team with even Sheridan playing. Denard can get his chance to run the offense.