Hope Tate is okay.
spoiler alert: i linked this
Hope Tate is okay.
Given the state of the economy good for him, he can help out the family that helped him, no sarc intended.
I'm getting worried about the kid, like really worried.
I hope there isn't something seriously wrong. I really want to see him excel somewhere, as I think he has great potential.
but from a distance, he seems to have a very troubled personality. He seems to have a very grandiose view of himself, almost to the point of thinking of himself in the 3rd person. (Jimmy played pretty well today, Jimmy doesn't eat meat, Jimmy is a vegetarian). "I don't get nervous - "Tate doesn't get nervous." Even in the San Jose State interview, it seemed as though he believed that his presence there has some sort of greater significance, that it was yet another Chapter in the life of Tate Forcier, like his own saga that he had created in his head. Having a cursory yet adequately informed knowledge of some mental/emotional disorders (not from training but more from being from a family with a nice little cocktail of various "abnormalities"), it is a troubling characteristic. He is also prone to making very brash and impulsive decisions based on anything resembling rejection or any interference with his self-perpetuated persona. It is as though there may be two different, um, poles, at work, we will call them the north and the south, for purposes of continuing the double speak, and as if he is either at one or the other.
In any case, I also hope he make heads and tails out of the last few years and figure out that he may need some assistance in making sense of things right now.
Just when I was starting to forget about you...in a good way.
Todd Marinovich just came to mind
Marv (Todd's father) was Tate's personal trainer
If you watch the recent ESPN film on Marinovich you can hear straight from the horse's mouth that all of the "kid who never tasted soda" stuff was blown way out of proportion by the media.
...that the older I get and the more I learn about food, I think that all of the "avoiding junk food" stuff might actually have been good parenting.
Never thought I would think that about the Marinovichs.
I hope he is okay and finds some stability in his life.
I know he wasn't an ideal citizen at Michigan, but I'll always root for him. Hopefully there's some very good reason for this, though it's hard to imagine what it would be.
This kids is a nightmare. I hope all is well. Maybe Borges isolation of Denard in the Sugar Bowl drove him as crazy it did me.
Que the "Taters gonna Tate" pic....
A.C. Slater is gonna be pissed if he finds out his pic was put in front of split-face sandstone and not actual slate.
I'm glad I never had parents like his.
seems to be the theme of the day. Marinovich, Forcier, and even Henson all had their careers screwed up by parents who wanted to live vicariously through their kids and ended up being hyper-controlling. You have to let them live their own lives sooner or later.
Kinda of when you think "Hey I can set myself AND my parents up for the long term" knowing just how much they've spent on you in getting you to this point and how controlling they still were.
that seems to be the impression I got from the much-maligned Rosenburg article. Henson's dad wanted him to split time between baseball and football, and had him sign a contract early on, before he even started college. I could be wrong, and you DO have to take what Rosenburg says with a dump-truck of salt, but that's the way it looks. Henson also said he regretted not staying at Michigan for his senior year and concentrating on one sport or the other.
In any event, what is beyond dispute is that daddy Henson was a controlling freak who wouldn't leave his kid alone. Doesn't sound like a guy who would let his son make his own decisions if he wouldn't even let him practice or talk to colleges without daddy's approval.
SI article on Tom Brady (I didn't notice who the author was). It talked about Henson's Dad and how involved he was. Drew is quoted as saying that if he ever has a child, he won't be envolved in trying to micro-manage his life for him. You should check out that article.
That's the same article I was referring to (by Rosenburg). You're absolutely right; the comment by Drew about his own parenting style is very telling about what he thinks about what his dad did.
Some kids just do not do to well in a academic setting. Hopefully, he will find an interest in life to pursue!
We'll always have Notre Dame '09. Really hope he pulls his life together
And 3-OT Illinois 2010.
It seems a little ridiculous to have a picture on there that says "Jason Forcier backup to Chad Henne who is now with the Miami Dolphins"
That's all that seems ridiculous about that website? I would have gone with everything.
RR could use an experienced QB.
... is going to need someone at QB. I doubt Forcier could make the grades. And he'd have to know that RR's heart will always be for the next Pat White.
No FBS coach (and maybe not even an FCS coach) will want to go near this kid now. He's toxic. If I were his family, football would be the least of my concerns for him. He needs to pull his life together before he even thinks about playing football again.
You have got to be kidding me.
In all seriousness, his instability might be caused by some kind of psychological disorder. Conditions like bipolar disorder, ADD, and depression are often characterized by a chronic inability to stay focused. They also often occur in people who are otherwise extremely talented, charismatic, and intelligent. I really hope he gets the help he needs and can just live a stable, normal life. It seems like football is not in the cards for him. I really feel bad for the kid.
This seems like more than just a guy being a flake this seems like serious issues going on. I pray he'll be okay.
I hope he can do whatever he needs to do to get his act together.
Was Craig James in town? Because there is a rumor that 5 hookers disappeared and are dead now while he was at SMU.
You're calling Tate a hooker?
Can this meme just fucking die already? Can we get a moratorium on Craig James jokes pleas?
The better question is why would a guy like Craig James, who's running for Senate, waste his time getting an mgoblog account.
Nice try Craig...
OH GODDAMN IT! YOU WIN CRAIG JAMES. YOU WIN.
forget football... i hope he is okay as a person. I hope he finds happiness doing whatever he does.
What a mess. I'm glad Michigan doesn't have this distraction on the team anymore.
Did he withdraw from the university or did he totally disappeared from the face of the Earth?
Maybe he should go to Ohio State. I hear it's impossible to fail even if you don't try.
...but seriously, I hope he's alright and he finds the help he needs to get his head on straight.
Im just wondering if there were a pair of flaming tire tracks in front of his house; someone check 2009...
Tate...please get well...I care about you because once upon a time you cared for (because you chose) my alma mater as your mother...please just figure your shitty shit out...spite your past despite your past...I have to promise it's possible.
But I think Tate would definitely benefit from some time spent with a Psychiatrist and Psychologist. I think he may need medial help. About his age is the time that most peopole develop really bad psychological diseases if they are going to do so. He may need medication.
OMG dude are you serious? Taking it a little to far don't you think? For all we know he just dropped out of college. Happens all the time. We know absolutely nothing about this story.
HE'S OKAY!!! It was academics...again. You think he would learn?
AHhhh! Get this kid medical attention asap!!!
OK, good, thanks for posting. Like I mentioned before the whole "he's disappeared" line was a little scary.
OTOH you'd think he'd learn to get his grades in order by now. Geez. He'll be looking at Juco's now, I think.
Is that the FXB as your avatar? Nice.
So does he have to sit out yet another year to go somewhere else in FCS?
Wow.....at this point you just want the guy to get help. I mean there's clearly something going on with his head, just hope he doesn't end up on the 6 o'clock news or something
Don't want him to end up a "30 for 30"
his real name is Kaiser Soze !!
Sigh, I was hoping he'd make my now alma materbowl eligible when he started playing for them. Uuuugh.
it reminded me of Tate. Initially put in a lot of work as a kid, missed out on some of the fun things you do when you're young, then gets thrust into the spotlight and forced to perform right away. Plus I believe Tate was trained by Marv Marinovich who was very demanding.
poor tater tot
I hope that somehow Tate sees this page, just so he knows that there are a lot of people are pulling for him. Hope he can resolve whatever has been troubling him. He may have left UM, but he's still one of us, and has my full support and prayers as he goes through these challenges.
wish he coulda worked out here. he woulda been great in borges's offense.
Tomorrow's another day; probably another opportunity. Get well.
Haha! +1 to you sir. What you know about some Mcfadden and Whitehead?
This thread is so very Huxleyan.
... I sure hope they never come up with a pill or "treatment" for "youthful indescretions". What a bland world that would be. Just because the kid may not be cut out for college doesn't mean his life is doomed without "treatment".
You jump to conclusions. Psychiatric help doesn't necessarily mean medication. Not being cut out for college is one thing. Squandering talent, running from program to program is another. He may be anything along the spectrum from just dumb and not cut out for college to depressed to bipolar to schizophrenic. Plus there was the report last winter about him in what may have been a suicide attempt IIRC. Netter to seek out help and be told there is nothing wrong than to have a thread posted about an unfortunate event
I was all ready to start making "May the Forcier be with you" T-s in the baby Michigan colors SJSU uses. It would've been fun to have a little mgostyle at grad school!
Sad story. I just wonder how good Tate would have become if he applied himself in the weight room, in off-season drills, film study and the classroom. I really think he could have been special, maybe even an All-American. He had some great games as a true freshman, so I just wonder what he would have done as a jr. and sr?
This is going to be funny when someone tweets tomorrow that everything is fine and Forcier alright tomorrow...
Anyway, carry on.
I'd like nothing else for the kid.
Exactly. The whole "disappeared" thing is a little scary.
And all the drama he brings...not
probably went into a withdrawal after seeing the school that "gave up on him" win the sugar bowl.
Was always an arrogant, cocky ahole.
Perfect? Let's just hope that the KID finds a place to get an education with or without football. Oh and lets hope he is safe.
Based on everything Tate has said and done, I get the impression that he was essentially bred to be a narcissist. That family is kind of nuts. Things went south at Michigan, he ego couldn't handle it. Says Dr. Freud.
Hope he can pull it together.
I really, really hate to go all MIke Valenti but I can't help but think that kid's father has had a far-less-than positive influence on him. This should be a good lesson to every dad who is overdoing it in pushing his kids to succeed in sports. Sometimes it's just not worth it.
on a tweet? Really?
All he really needs is a tutor and a new coping mechanisim, hope he can find both, Good kid otherwise.
Hard for me to read some of the negative posts here; none of us know for sure what the back story is, and for all of his academic problems, he may very well be a nice kid.
I wish things could have worked out for him at Michigan. I like what he did for Michigan, and wish him well know matter what.
Maybe if you call him he will make out with you...
It seems to me Tate has played his last down as DI football player. From the outside looking in he seemed a likable kid, but he must have some serious demons. Certainly hope all turns out as well as possible for him.
I was actually wearing Tate's Jersey when I asked Denard for an autogragh, thinking back a somewhat awkward choice
I don't want to make an armchair diagnosis, but it seems like something is going on for him. Whether it would qualify as a psychological "disorder" (I hate that term) or not, it's clear he's been struggling with his focus, motivation, discipline, and perhaps humility, on and off the field. It's clear that he could benefit from some help with coping skills and getting his priorities straight. Despite the stigma in our society (and many others), there's no shame in seeing a psychologist, and if need be (but not necessarily) a psychiatrist as well. I'm a clinical psychologist and also a sport psychologist (at JMU) and have worked with (and helped) dozens of student-athletes to get through difficult times and become better student-athletes at the same time. I'd be shocked if he was never referred to see a sport psychologist or therapist at U of M, but apparently he may not have made the most of it.
It only takes one psychologist to change a lightbulb, but the lightbulb has to want (and be ready) to change. I'm sure he's got a lot of people who care about him and would be willing to help. Hopefully he's ready to make the most of his resources sooner rather than later.
EDIT: If he left to help the family business, nevermind.
Apparently family businees needed help, he quit to pitch in. Read the update.
Not sure why Forcier wasn't on scholarship. Can't imagine he'd have to disenroll simply over finances and I hope that wasn't the case. I wish good luck to the young man hopefully he finds his way.
Its a grades issue which has already been said on here. Here is another source to add to the one posted earlier.
Not taking to too far at all. Psychotic breaks can definitely appear at his age, especially in guys. He's threatened to kill himself once, already, right? Wasn't that still in Ann Arbor? He takes a very grandiose view of himself and his need for attention. Add in his apparent inability to focus, and it's not outlandish to suggest he might have some psychiatric issues. Most likely, it's a combination of factors.
Hope the kid can figure it out and be successful. Hopefully he doesn't have Rod Smith's Illinois '10 rant clouding his head...
He left SJSU due to "stress" and problems with his father's business, according to the link below. ESPN is reporting it's grades, again.
So let's set aside the "he's crazy" speculation until there is actual proof that he has such a problem, m'kay?
Cmonn man. he needs to get his head on strait. go get an education
That's why all 3 brothers kept transferring and they had that stupid website.
This story is unbelievable and fascinating. One could argue that this is all a product of his father's lunacy.
As a microcosm of this lunacy, take Mike Forcier's quotes from yesterday. He completely and outrageously lies in saying that Tate is leaving school simply to "help the family business." In reality, Tate was too into illicit substances and still, after all of this time, failed to go to class (this is not rumor, but rather factual).
Instead of letting his child take the hit in the media, he shelters him and takes the blame so Tate can walk away unscathed.
Sickening. Maybe all Tate needs is some tough love from the media, his teammates, or any of the multitude of universities he has agreed to play football for.