Well, I guess that's that. From what what we heard from people who watched the exhibition game and saw how poorly Tate did, especially when compared to LeFevour, this unfortunately doesn't come as a surprise. Where the heck does he go from here?
Tate Forcier released from Hamilton Tiger-Cats
Back home where he will always be a star. He has just about run out of opportunities.
He didn't work hard enouigh in the classroom and I'm sure he has a work ethic that is not desirable, seems like a pattern with him.
On the other hand, the CFL is playing exhibition games, woo hoo, this means our football is around the corner! Silver lining and all.
The CFL playing exhibition games...
woohoo...this means CFL football is around the corner.
Ti-Cats made the right move on this one; Forcier didn't look as complete as LeFevour who could have a very real future ahead of the robotic and ineffective Quinton Porter (I hope).
Well... is there still an Arena League?
I do feel bad for the kid in a way, had he kept his head on straight he could have been good. Oh well.
Where's the XFL when you need it?
Portland: where young people go to retire.
A degree is a really good idea.
Go back to school, get a degree and realize football just aint in the cards.
Go to class while you're on the football team and in school?
Really a sad conclusion to this story. Honestly don't see a future in football for a once promising star. I know we love to joke about "Tater's gunna Tate" but in all seriousness it's tough to see a young persons future be derailed by his own immaturity.
I don't know if he ever had a serious NFL future. I always thought he was highly coached up for a kid his age and really wondered just how much was left in the way of improvement. That Denard started year two of their respective careers should have told us a lot about Tate.
Let's not forget that Denard is pretty much the ideal QB to run RR's offense. In that particular offense, I don't know if Andrew Luck would have deserved to start over Denard. Just by not being made of dilithium, Tate didn't stand a chance once Denard picked up the offense and was coached a little. So I don't think it says much about Tate to be beaten out by Denard.
Tate didn't stand a chance of being a long term option from the get-go. He lacks the work ethic and desire to get anywhere. I remember his article talking about how Michigan quit on him. The irony was striking for me as I had a class with him and saw his dedication to the team and his future first-hand. I knew he was in my class because I had several other players in te class who always went to class-more than I did-but he was never say with them. It's 10 minutes into the midterm and I hear the door open; it's Tate forcier running in to take the midterm. I still couldn't believe it. So I watched for him the rest of the class and he never once showed up. I also scanned the final to see if I could locate him but I could not find him. He doomed himself, but that dilithium was nice for RRs offense.
I think Tate had a good chance of starting, or at least competing, in RichRod's offense. He wasn't Dilithium fast, but he was quick (Notre Dame, anyone?) and when he subbed for Denard the offense hummed, sometimes better than when Denard was in. He lost his starting position in large part due to his work ethic.
Your general point is good, though, in that while he played for Rodriguez there would always be someone with better tools. Alas, he would have been a senior this year for Al Borges; in another timeline we could have a QB controversy.
And in fairness Andrew Luck runs something like a 4.6, any running spread offense would have killed to have him.
I heard the USFL is making a comeback...
Back to Michigan on scholarship.
Hopefully he goes back to school as a serious student and figures out what he wants to do.
To be a star, but has a scrub-like work ethic 9 times out of 10 it always ends the same way. Tate, you gave up your college eligibility so it may be time to enroll in your local community college and get on with your life. Time waits for nobody and before you know it you will be 30 and wondering what have you accomplished in a life that had so much promise. You still have time homie. Dust yourself off and move forward.
You forgot the HT to Yogi Berra.
Unfortunately, it seems like the remaining avenues likely would not involve football, or at least I assume that. It's sad because there was quite a bit of potential here and if he had handled a few things more constructively, I bet he's still playing somewhere and regularly too, having had the opportunity to develop some. At this point, I would hope he would consider finishing his degree too, if nothing else, and figirue it out from there.
Tough break for him. I hope that this is a turning point for him. Probably the worst thing to happen to this kid was letting his special talent get to his head and thinking it would take him places without having to put in the work. I can't help but hope that getting cut down to size and running out of football options will be the first step in getting started in some "normal" profession where he knows he has to work hard like everyone else. Best of luck to him.
I always liked this guy. I wish him the best
Besides ND and a couple nice games as a backup, what was there really to like?
I guess it's just a matter of preference. For example, I don't like people who talk shit about former Michigan players not named Boren and who have words that sound like "orgasm" in their handles. It makes me think they are douchey and immature.
To each his own, I guess.
ND and a couple nice games as a backup.
The whole school part of school didnt really seem like too much of a concern to ol'Tater in light of his actions...
He was my favorite Wolverine once upon a time. I still have a couple pictures up of him in my office. On one of the many "Tate has fallen again" threads, a fellow MGoPoster (FgoWolve) wrote the following on 1/20/11 which I put into a word doc and printed out as a caption of sorts beneath one of my Tate pictures. It so beautifully encapsulated Tate's story that I had to save it:
He's practically a Greek tragedy. An amazing ascent in act I, periods of rising and falling action, until finally as the man said, he hit rock bottom. And his story isn't over yet. While he definitely grew in maturity and experience as the stereotypical tragic character does, he had his own tragic flaws that invoke pity in the audience, as Aristotle pointed out was one of the greatest cathartic emotions for a tragic audience. It's just a shame we don't know exactly what those flaws are, and are forced to watch him go as the result of some unknown force, be it internal (Tate's personal struggles) or external (the rise of Denard, the possibility of no longer being wanted). I will miss Tate. No other player evoked more emotion from me over the past decade. I hope his story transitions into a comedy and a happy ending.
Tate Forcier wasn't a Greek tragedy. He is a college drop-out.
We know he was home-schooled because he couldn't handle academics. We know he was handed the starting job in the spring of 2009 and expected it as of right.
We know when Denard simply outworked him and won the starting job, Tate's response after the UConn game was to try and quit.
We know that he flunked out of school (despite his hilarious Gator-Bowl week bravado about showing up and passing) and couldn't get in anywhere else.
A life of limo driving awaits him, and it's his own fault. He could have worked hard like so many others have (Denard and Devin, to name two right off the top of the head), but when challenged to lead, this young man cannot get it done.
This guy should be of no example to anyone except for how not to conduct yourself when others are depending on you to be a leader.
Couldnt agree more...
and killed it at UM. honors grad. home schooling indicates nothing about someone's ability to handle acedemics. everything else i agree with even though i would say you are flaming a bit
between saying "he was home schooled because he couldn't handle acadmics" and "people are home schooled because they can't handle academics." Don't create a controversy where there isn't one.
I'll second Gitback. I support homeschooling and my oldest daughter just finished a homeschool kindergarten program that has her reading a grade above her level, so I know what I'm talking about here; the post you are complaining about in no way demeans homeschooling. He is discussing the character of Tate, and alleging (I don't know how accurately) that Tate was homeschooled specifically to ease his academic burden. I think it is likely that Tate was capable of handling academics, but was allowed to ignore them for athletic pursuits.
MGoJen makes a return. Why hath thou forsaken us? No seriously, where you been?
since i think his dad owns a business, and since Tate has always been a pretty fun guy to hang out with (as anyone who is facebook friends with him knows as we can see all the pictures of him with his beautiful women) he will end up in sales and will be fine. he is not dennis rodman who will die alone in a car somewhere broke. this brings me no pleaseure to say because dennis rodman has a bigger heart than anyone else i know but he is a greek tragedy. tate is not.
he will end up in sales and will be fine
That's where a lot of athletes end up, and there's absolutely nothing bad about it. Sales people can make a lot of money. And good sales people are worth their weight in gold.
Cast from your mind the image of the car salesman. There's a lot more to sales than that.
I work with a lot of salespeople in the tech field. If you have the right personality for it, it's a great life. Technical people are brought in to do the actual work. You just set up client meetings and coordinate the people doing the work. And take home big commisions.
You and I share a common storyline with regards to work.
There's one other thing salespeople do -- good salespeople do -- they keep the sale moving along, they find ways to get around objections, and they close the deal by asking for the signature on the purchase order.
As a technical person myself, I've wasted a lot of time due to poor salespeople who don't know how to qualify opportunities, and for valid opportunities they don't know how to close the deal. Wheels just spin and spin forever.
So you're absolutely correct -- if they have the right personality for it, it's a great fit. It's not just being the "life of a party" type person. But being a person who naturally establishes rapport and goodwill is a big part of it.
As a manager of technical sales people I call the sellers you describe as "donut bringers". If they can't explain what the product does and how it addresses customer needs I don't want them. If they can't whiteboard the solution they generally have no credibility with the client and generally don't add much value.
Now we sell to software developers who can smell the stink of a "donut bringer" from a mile away.
If Dennis Rodman actually dies in a car I'm going to be retroactively creeped out by that post.
If someone would have told me right after the ND game his freshman year that his career would be over after one more season, I would have assumed they were crazy if it didn't involve a terrible injury.
Why didn't THE_KNOWLEDGE tell us this was going to happen?
cause he probably had no KNOWLEDGE of it
I still think he's got enough talent to be a viable QB at some level... but I thought Sam McGuffie was going to be a big star, so my predictions are about as valuable as The Party Room's.
I think that's the question more people need to ask. He's a QB because his dad tried to turn all his sons into QBs, to the point of home schooling them and having Marinovich train them. At some level Tate never had a choice, dad told him to become one.
As it stands Tate doesn't seem happy with this life (remember his Twitter feed at one point). I'd rather Tate go figure out what makes him happy and do it.
And in my opinion it really starts with the parents. On the one hand you have an 18 year old 4-star recruit whose parents decided to homeschool him so that he could train with a noted QB guru who turned his own son into a burned-out addict. I don't mean to denounce homeschooling or say that it doesn't prepare one to succeed academically at Michigan, but I think that in the Forcier household the homeschooling wasn't done for the benefit of the student.
On the other you have another 4-star, who committed to Michigan and said "I'm not making a 4 year committment, I'm making a 40 year committement". It's not about the football, it's about the degree, relationships, and alumni network that come with it.
It's all attitude. Best of luck to Tate going forward. We'll always have ND/Illinios. Hopefully he can get it together and GO GET A DEGREE.
"...Robert Patrick Forcier AKA Tate Forcier the youngest of 3 brothers. Tate Forcier was born at Kaiser Hospital in San Diego, California. As a newborn, he threw for three touchdowns and crawled for another in the hospital's big game..."
Thanks for posting. The entire family history surrounding the boys sounds like serial, "if you don't do what I want, I'll take my ball and go home." I love the ending, "and the rest is history." Pretty much history repeating itself, except now, no one wants to play ball with him any more.
That's one thing. If you're doing it for his athletic benefit....that's another.
the sentiment I was going for. Worded perfectly. Priorities of the parents were not right
Exactly. When your kid gets ensnared by Mr. Maranovich it's pretty much all over.
Also, sometimes it's ok for parents to teach their kids failure and how to respond properly, it really is ok. Not everyone wins but everyone can sure get back and try again with real effort.
It was very foretelling when RRod took his wings away.
I kinda always knew that there was only room for 1 qb between Denard and Tater. I think we still have the right guy.
At the Illinois game in 2010 my buddy summed Tate up best when he called him the improbability drive. On one drive in that game you are thinking what the hell is he doing. On the next you are clamoring for him to start. It was quite a ride.
RichRod's handling of Forcier and his torching of DG's redshirt look a lot better in retrospect now that we know what a head-case Tate was. RR clearly knew that Tate would have a hard time cutting it as the backup and needed Gardner to be ready.
I wish him the best. The anti-Tate sentiments expressed above are unwarranted. The kid was very young, success went to his head, and he flamed out. A person's life would have been okay if, after this death, that was the worst thing you could say about him.
You have to understand that the people who frequent this blog are in the top 1% (#occupythebighouse) of Michigan fans in my opinion. I don't like it when a person who has the opportunity to play football at the best University in the world wastes his talents. IMO it's not that these people are against Tate in any way, but that they are upset at the opportunity he wasted.
Yeah, but they're also being douchey and holier-than-thou, which is what gets on my nerves. What is the point of running anyone down on an anonymous message board?
Agreed, as athletic as these guys are, they're still only kids. I almost flunked my first year of college just because I wasn't mentally ready, and I only had my parents criticizing me. Tate had millions of people watching his every move, ready to pounce on him if he made the slightest misstep. It's a lot of pressure for an 18 year old, and there's some people here who are forgetting that, and treating him like a 30-year old NFL star instead of a kid
I think you hit upon the key point : " I only had my parents criticizing me." Whereas Tate had his dad always excusing him and allowing a lower rung every single time. You had good parents, Mr. Forcier, at least from the facts, might fall short of 'good'.
There's another thing. Everyone knows the cliche of "uptight kid with uptight parents goes to college, then goes crazy. Well we just saw the athlete version of that. A kid is groomed since he was really little to be the perfect QB, and once he's away from the parents things go off track
Sorry to hear this - hope he lands on his feet somewhere. There goes my only reason to watch any CFL games this year.
That is sad. I always liked him. The worst part is that he doesn't have much to fall back on. If he stayed on the team and never played he would have graduated with a degree, and if he couldn't get on a team like this then he could resort to doing something with his degree. He now has nothing though.
Jason, stayed on campus for most of Tate's first year to keep him level-headed and (mostly) undistracted. It seemed like as soon as Jason left campus, Tate's demise began. Really sad to watch from a student and fan perspective.
Unfortunately, the thing about Tate I will probably most remember is Denard going "Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ" in that ridiculous, cartoon video where Tate is talking about how awesome he is and should be the starter.
thinking the same thing. that cartoon is hillarious. someone should post it.
in arena football. Save some money and get a degree in a field of interest!
Here's the college resume of one of their current QBs, Danny Southwick:
2003: Enrolled at Oregon State during spring quarter and participated in spring football
2004: Transferred to Dixie State and passed for 1,913 yards and 11 touchdowns
2005: Transferred to Utah but … Did not compile any statistics
2006: As a junior, led Dixie State to a 15-3 record as a starter
2007: Played his senior season at Occidental
He can come play on my flag football team.
i would put him on my flag football team in a heartbeat. recreational co-ed league champs fo sho!!!!
to no stars. It happens
How many of the posts in this thead are straight out of The Only Colors or The Buckeye Battle Cry?
Is there some reason that Tate Forcier gets the kind of treatment that some might apply to Boubacar Cissoko? Or worse, frankly.
Is "Tate Forcier" the proxy for some, uh, other fight?
I make no excuses for Tate Forcier. I also freely admit to having been one of his fans. For me, the indelible moment was the first week in September of 2009. The Michigan football program was reeling under the incredible stress of the national feeding on the Free Press' story of one week earlier. Michigan was facing a Western Michigan team that featured Tim Hiller at QB, who was thought to be a future NFL pick, with Western a real threat to knock off the distracted and demoralized Wolverines. Mark Snyder of the Free Press predicted a Western Michigan upset.
Forcier came out and played like a Big Ten upperclassman, including Michigan's first touchdown, a scramble to his left (the east sidline) where he freelanced a pass to Junior Hemingway whom Forcier had directed into the clear.
I had seats right below the press box that day, having given my regular seats away to other family. After the crowd quieted, I turned and screamed up to the press box, "That one was for you, Snyder!" It is the loudest I have ever yelled at a game.
It was also clear from his ridiculous I-don't-get-nervous claims in his first big time interviews that he was going to crack when something big enough to make him nervous actually came along. Everything obnoxious about naive arrogance poured out of that kid, and he (and to some extent his brothers) seemed to retreat from the world of adult responsibility every time they came up against it. So yeah, in some sense he's a proxy for the general uselessness of the over-entitled and otherwise spoiled members of his generation.
Incidentally, I guess I was also a fan of his football exploits for a while. But I was always hoping he'd respond to nervousness or something not going his way by stepping up his game and becoming a man. Instead, he crumbled. It might be harsh, but the cold, hard truth is that he has yet to redeem himself.
Crazy to think this kid had it all just three years ago...now, he hasn't got a chance to play college football anymore. I would say football is out of the picture. Go get yourself a degree, man.
I sense a 30 For 30 in the near future...
"What if I told you, father doesn't always know best? ESPN Films Present...Taters Gon Tate: The Tale of Tate Forcier, Friday at 9pm. Only on ESPN."
September 16, 2009
FORCIER MAY BE NEXT FRESHMAN IN HESIMAN DEBATE
|Tate Forcier showed veteran poise against Notre Dame.|
Freshmen seem to be the only group excluded from the exclusive award. Yet after last week, the question has to be asked: Could the final frontier be conquered by Forcier?
Michigan freshman quarterback Tate Forcier was absolutely remarkable in leading the Wolverines to a 38-34 upset of Notre Dame. He passed for 240 yards and rushed for 70 while accounting for three touchdowns, including the game-winner in the waning seconds after he weaved through the Irish rush and found Greg Mathews for a 5-yard touchdown pass.
"Everybody kept saying a freshman can't do it," Forcier said after the game. "And I did it."
History says a freshman can't win the Heisman. Perhaps Forcier can prove that wrong, too. Still, freshmen can be frustratingly inconsistent, so Forcier figures to have some struggles, too. Besides, several players had amazing performances a week ago that should earn them inclusion in the Heisman race.
West Virginia quarterback Jarrett Brown has passed for 577 yards and four touchdowns. Notre Dame wide receiver Michael Floyd is averaging more than 29 yards on 11 catches. Purdue running back Ralph Bolden leads the nation with 357 rushing yards. Cincinnati wide receiver Mardy Gilyard already has scored touchdowns via a reception, a run and a return.
Capturing the Heisman requires consistent excellence throughout of the season. Therefore, the leading candidates remain players who have proven themselves over the long haul. And none are freshmen.
New addition to the QBForce Hall of Shame: Canada.
sorry double post - removed
Like any complex tale (and one arguably that hasn't really ended yet), the whole story of Tate Forcier and the Wolverines reveals something with each retelling. It can be a story of the flaws of putting athletics over academics. It can be a tale of hubris. It can be a tale of well-intentioned (or well-ambitioned) parenting gone bad. It can be the tale of someone who peaked too early.
Unfortunately he really never understood the value of his UM ties. Years from now, it will be hard to explain to future fans while his freshman year was so memorable; how he captured the imagination of so many and how during September and October of that magical year, it seemed like the Wolverines were the team of destiny.
He still has baseball or basketball eligibility, I bet we see him try to go back to school for something like that. I don't even know if he has ever played them before but it sounds like a pretty Tate thing to do.
I don't know where he goes from here, but it's really too bad he fucking hates going to class so much. He had already blown a great opportunity to trade his skills for a college degree. Now, he can't even execute his "backup plan." My guess is that he tries AFL, AFL2, or whatever the next step down the ladder turns out to be.
What a waste of talent.