Was I watching a different 12 games this year?? I saw some Tate bashing on the liveblog and on some posts the last couple of weeks. For the people that are down on him, I ask you what do you want?? The kid was a true freshmen who lead some pretty gutsy comebacks. He was hurt for 2/3 of the season, his center was hurt, his top RB was hurt, his #2 rb was hurt, his line wilted on their pass protection and their is still talk of wanting Gardner in there. His accuarcy was remakable for a true frosh and he should get a lot healthier and stronger in the offseason. I think this kid will be a M legend before he is done, not replaced.
Some people confuse emotion with fact when they type.
When you get one conference win, it's hard to absolve the quarterback, the most visible player on the field, from blame. Gardner is still in hype mode, so obviously he sounds better to a lot of people right now, but Tate will definitely be the starter next year and beyond, given that he progresses like expected. If you don't think they are critiques to be made about his play last year, then you didn't watch the games.
Forcier played with a concussion and an AC sprain for the last eight games behind a line that really, really missed David Molk. There was no legitimate backup QB this year, so he gutted it out. I would imagine that he lied about his health, as all warriors do, to stay on the field. I really don't understand what there is to criticize here.
Yeah I mean if you're looking for a movie script than it couldn't be more sound. If you're looking for a QB to execute your offense, then there's a lot to improve on, such as: pocket presence, ball security, grasp of the offense, and run game reads to name a few. The fact that he's a freshman doesn't make him immune to criticism, it means he's much more likely to grow out of it than a Reggie Ball.
"The fact that he's a freshman doesn't make him immune to criticism"
Yeah it does.
He was a freshman who made freshman mistakes, but he was the best we had at that position. "Criticizing" a true freshman who's your only real option at QB is pretty pointless.
Warrior= Look at how he led us back vs sparty in regulation, while you could tell he was clearly hurt
in the Big 11. Must be other folks that thought he did a great job. He sure was better than TP his first year.
I like Tate and think that he did an outstanding job considering he is a true freshman, we had injuries, and struggled as a TEAM. However, Pryor had a better Freshman year in terms of stats. Granted Pryor had a better supporting cast as a freshman.
Pryor in 2008 100 completions in 165 attempts for 1311 yards. 60.6% 7.95 yards/attempt 56 yards for longest completion 12 tds 4 ints 21 sacks 146.50 rating
Forcier in 2009 165 completions in 281 attempts for 2050 yards. 58.7% 7.30 yards/attempt 76 yards for longest completion 13 tds 10 ints 25 sacks 128.15 rating
Forcier will develop into a great QB, especially as our entire offense develops with him.
It's silly. A freshman who if not on the team, the team goes 2-10 and Rodriguez is not the coach anymore.
I'm not sure how Tate Forcier can be criticized while Rodriguez remains on a pedestal, seemingly beyond reproach.
I'm not saying you can't find fault with Forcier. He made his share of mistakes, and some you'd think he would have learned from or stopped doing later as the season wore on.
But again--it seems the Tate Bashers are part of the group of fans who want to continue to find anyone but Rodriguez to pin the blame on.
I always read about Cody Green living here in Husker land (their highly touted dual-threat QB recruit who is also a true frosh this year, AND enrolled early just like Tate) and have to say that Tate was head and shoulders better than Green was. Green might be a better athlete, but as far as understanding of the game, reading the D and making a good decision based on the read, and presence as the leader of the offense, Green doesn't even come close.
People are crazy if they think Tate underachieved; if anything he overachieved given the circumstances. Go watch what Cody Green did and then what Tate did. Tate absolutely destroyed for a true frosh. Were there disappointments? Of course, but give the kid a break and get some perspective on the situation. I'll take Tate over any other true frosh QB from last years recruiting class in a heartbeat.
I thought I was the only one.
I'm anxious to see how Green progresses, though.
And I agree with you: anyone who thinks Tate underachived is a dolt.
The OP rightly points out the disintegration of the team around him.
The immediate future of Rodriguez and UM football rests squarely on the shoulders of Tate. I think he'll deliver.
Yeah there's a few on here. I'm pretty indifferent about Nebraska, though it's hard not to like their defense.
As Michigan fans, it's sometimes hard not to be envious of a D-III defense
Don't remind me.
I thought i would run into maybe 1 other person that is a husker but two im impressed.
Cody green had an awkward release but had power behind his throws. Id take Tate over him anyday
that's a quality post...kid's 18, he's going to be better.
None from me. I was pretty happy with his play most of the season. He was definitely hurt and made some costly mistakes, but at the same time hes a freshman. I think he'll improve quite a bit before his time is done at Michigan.
He is going to be good. He has a lot of work to do to though. And let's not pretend that our Oline was fantastic.
I seriously can't wait for Molk's return.
Completely different line with him healthy.
Molk stays healthy, the bandwagon will fill up again. Haters will be sporting Tate jerseys. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!
I was saying, in some other threads, that Tate still has some things to work on - namely, passing from the pocket, and hitting the timing routes better (i.e. putting the ball to a spot before the receiver comes out of his break).
So yeah, I hope you aren't directing this at me, because I wasn't "bashing" him, but merely engaging in a discussion at to what he can do to improve.
is about you.
if you assumed the original post was about you.
haha. Instead, there was a recent thread in which I pointed out what areas I felt like he could improve on. I got some negs for that, so I became curious if the original poster was referring to me.
I think Tate's shoulder injury had a lot to do with his less-than-amazing performance during the mid-to-late season. He'll come back a few pounds heavier with his shoulder at 100%, having learned more of the play book and will hopefully be more comfortable making reads...and when he does, watch out!
Aside from his awesome accuracy, some of Tate's best qualities are his intangibles. Kid's got heart and--dare I say it--moxie.
Tate's the real deal and I honestly believe he could contend for a Heisman at some point.
"Aside from his awesome accuracy, some of Tate's best qualities are his intangibles. Kid's got heart and--dare I say it--moxie."
played fairly well last year. The only problem I have with him is the way he waves the ball around in his hand, which he lost a few more times than he should have. He should be alot better next year so Michiagn can red-shirt Gardner and let him get some practice time.
I was amazed he didn't fumble more, given the way he carried the ball. He's gotta stop doing that.
by, say 3-6 over the course of the season. It's not often that you can pickout, "Do this one simple thing, lower your turnovers by 3-6."
Yeah, but if it were so easy for him to fix, why didn't he fix it after his first 5, 6, 7 fumbles last year? That's my only criticism of Tate in an otherwise good year (given the circumstances) - why did he never learn not to carry the ball like a loaf of bread?
Agreed, When he makes his initial scramble out of the pocket the ball is still close to him but if he runs into another defender while making that scramble thats when the ball starts getting away from his body and fumbles. The good news is thats not that hard to fix
Tate made a lot of the mistakes a freshman makes. I am looking foward to a time when half of our fanbase isn't rooting for a true freshman QB to start. That almost gaurantees at least 3 losses from that one player alone. When Ryan Mallet came in as arguablý the best QB in the class, everyone expected him to wait his turn to play, now we deel like we will lose these recruits if we don't promise them the starting spot. I am hoping tate's play keeps gardner on the bench for a couple of years and then his play holds off the next stud recruit.
Tate looked WAY better than Mallett did as a freshman, more in command of the offense, more accurate, and with better intangibles IMO. And now look what Mallett has become. There is no reason at all to think Tate can't progress in exactly the same way.
That is an excellent point, but saying he has better intagibles is implying that those intagibles are tangible, which would mean that they aren't intangbile at all. Sorry the use of the term "intangibles" bugs me. Tate's leadership, character, drive, and work ethic were superior to Ryan Mallett's.
I have criticized him and I will continue to, if he doesn't mature off the field. I was very happy with his play and I don't want to see a first time starter for the third year in a row. Ultimately, I want him to succeed. But when he goes on websites and posts that he is going to transfer and stuff like that, I think that is worth criticizing.
There are far more things to like about him, rather than dislike. But criticizing his play at times or not liking what comes off as a lack of maturity (right or wrong) doesn't mean I don't think he can and will win here. I still believe he will (and should) be the starter next year and they will be a much improved team.
Tate got bashed. So did Devin. So did Denard. Doesn't make it right but it happens. No need to be thin skinned about it.
Moreover, Tate collapsed like a house of cards everytime he got touched last year. I am looking forward to having a big, strong sturdy quarterback back there with a pocket presence. Someone with a great "stiffarm" who can break tackles.
Tate only averaged 2 yards a carry. 2 YARDS PER CARRY!!! That is not a typo. In a quarterback driven offense that is simply not getting it done. Period. His production was horrific! Horrific! We need a quarterback back there that can atleast average 3 to 4 yards a carry everytime he runs or else this offense is working from a deficit far too much.
I never saw Tate break one single tackle all year. All year! Look at Terrel Pryor.... Vince Young.... Jeremiah Masoli who ran right over the Ohio State linebacker last night. We need that in this offensive attack. Someone who is both elusive and strong. Someone who can break tackles. Tate can't do that. Tate is not the answer. And Rich Rod knows this.... that is why he is still looking for his quarterback.... THE quarterback to run his offense. And it is not Tate.
Moreover, the guy is short. Has to roll to one side of the fied or the other to see downfield and throw the ball. That is a huge hinderance for any offense.
Tate has a cap gun for an arm. Could not throw the ball downfield effectively all year. And the excuses about being hurt simply don't fly. Tate couldn't throw the ball downfield from the very first game that he played. Weak weak arm.
Lastly, his decision making was horrible. Horrible!
I, for one, am not drinking the Kool Aid. I am looking forward to the day that we have a big, strong, fast, elusive quarterback back there with great pocket presence. A quarterback with great presence who is not drama prone.
We can do without Tate's drama queen antics on the football field. We are Michigan. We can do better than this guy.
Now go ahead.... neg me. I have dared to speak against the chosen one.... the Tater Tot drama queen. Neg away
I see you understand what I'm getting at. I didn't even read you post. I was too busy typing mine (lol). Scrappy is not what I like to hear about a U of M QB. "5 star talent" is the the description I like to hear. U of M fans are wanting for the days of old where 3 yards and a cloud of dust and 7 step drop backs were the norm. Penn State and OSU have past us because they were smart enough to realize that they were in the business of winning college game and not developing pro QB's. Some people may want to compare Tate to Troy Smith but they have to remember that Troy was 20 pound heavier and was athletic enough that Tressel had him returning kickoffs. U of M fans have let one year of terrible QB play jade them and will now except anything. I'm like you, we should know and expect better. I didn't even go into his attitude on the field and his facebook issues. Hell his brothers couldn't find a place in Div 1 football and he is smaller and less athletic than them.
Anytime Matt Millien says your the "best QB in the Big Ten" you have to be worried (lol....just joking but that is kind of scary) .
How is you typing your post funny in any way?
just so i could neg you...
I'm just saying but I can name two right away
Notre Dame game, he juked a domer out of his jock strap, and then during the Sparty game when he led us back to tie the game in regulation he broke at least one tackle including running down the left sideline, make sparty miss, then getting a first down.
Tate Forcier is Tate Forcier....'Nuff Said
Criticism is fine. He did many things poorly, especially late in season. There is not one single thing you mentioned that can't be tied to "true freshman" and offensive line, however.
"Breaking tackles"--that is your criticism? That can't be taken seriously. He isn't a "big strong sturdy" QB--and many that do not fit your apparently only possible description of QB success have had fantastic college careers.
And Tate couldn't throw the ball downfield from the first game he played? You apparently missed the long pass for a TD against Western. No, he does not have a great arm, that is apparent. But again, many guys have had GREAT college careers having average arms. You seemed also to have missed this.
And decision making? By definition, a guy that completes 60% of his passes as a freshman is making the right decision the majority of the time. This will only get better.
You simply are blinded by the vision of your own prejudices.
I'm perfectly willing to see if Tate gets beat out later in his career--maybe that will happen, and if so we'll have a very good QB in his place. But to write him off as a true freshman is simply ignorant.
Sorry if you have a real eye for football your realize this about Tate.
1) Tate is in an offense that does not fit his skills. The run orientated spread ask the QB to handle the ball up to 70% of the time. This requires your QB to be one of the 5 best athletes on your roster if you want to be successful in the Big Ten. Tate remines be of Drew Tate from Iowa who played in a pro set offense in the Big Ten and had some success.
2) Tate is too small. Lets face it 185 pound QB's don't really make it in the Big Ten. This is not the day and age of Doug Flutie. LB's are to big and fast. Tate probably runs about a 4.75 and that is simply to slow for a small man asked to run the ball 10 plus times a game. He should have been redshirted and allowed to naturally gain weight over time. If he gets up to 205-210 then he might have a chance surviving the big ten.
3) Health is also a concern because if you can't stay healthy then you can't be on the field. Football coaches hate players that they can't count on. Think Brandon Minor. Great player, when he played but you couldn't count on him from week to week. Tate's knee and shoulder injuries effected his play last year and unless he can gain 20 pounds during the off season and not lose any speed we should expect more of the same. As said before, I compare him to Drew Tate who was a good QB but could not stay healthy at Iowa
4)Decision making. I know Tate was a freshman but it seemed to me he had a hard time learning from week to week. Some of the same mistakes he made in the spring game he was making OSU week. This worried me very much. I don't mind mistakes but I like guys who can adapt and progressively get better over time during a SEASON. Tate needs to stop trying to be a hero and just make the basic play at times.
It seems most of U of m fan got fooled by the Western, ND, Indiana, and Eastern start. I sorry folks this is U of M. You are ultimately judged by your performance against the cream of the Big Ten, pre-season top 25 teams and bowl competition. Threet and Sheridan made fans satisfied with mediocrity and it shows. If Tate was on another team we would be salivating to play him and knock is small a$$ out the game. Dave Molk does not make an offense and Tate had talent around him. If Navarre or Henne performed like him we would be running him out of town. Say what you want but if Gardener is not starting soon then God help us all.
God help us all if you continue to post.
God help us if you have any part in deciding who the QB next year. Tressel was smart enough to bench a senior QB and got a Rose Bowl out of it. I see your satisfied with winning the Capitol One bowl against young teams and NC's every 50 years. The point of hiring Rich Rod was to get better and not the status quo. I don't like losing to USC and OSU let alone Illinois. Fault me for that.
But hay keep drinking that $hit favored Tate Kool-Aid. Just don't catch dysentery and try to kiss your mom with that mouth son. 5 star QB's don't sit very long for undersized primadonna's.
I long for the days when we have a coach who makes playing time decisions solely based on a player's recruiting profile, height and weight.
I also love the "i'm not satisfied" with National Championships every 50 years. yes, you certainly deserve more than that. all that you've done. all that you've worked for. you deserve better than every other fan of other team in college football. you truly are the king of kings.
Vince Young sat and was a 5*
I love posts that start of with some version of "if you knew as much about football as I do, you would agree with me." Not pretentious at all. What makes you think this is a run oriented spread, first of all. This isn't west virginia's or tulane's offense, it is michigan's and I would like to see how he develops it here. Secondly, if devin gardner starts next year we will lose 5 games and you will be here claiming we should start a true freshman in 2011. If you had an eye for football you would hope for gardner in 2012.
Tate will be way ahead of Devin next year. Gardner would be best suited to red-shirt next year and learn as much as he can. If Gardner beats out Tate and is that much better, he should start but I don't see it. And Tate did as much as expected of a true freshmen.
Some of the same mistakes he made in the spring game? I believe there was one- a pass that should have been picked by a LBer he didn't see.
As for your claim of a 4.75 40. Those guys don't make 31 yard TD runs against anyone. To small, he was a true freshmen who had never lifted weights for crying out loud. He will get bigger and stronger. Our D would not have been able to catch him or knock him out. They let Cousins run wild, made Tolzien look all world, let Elliot look great and break off some 10+ yard runs.
Fans aren't satisfied at all, but you need to have realistic expectations of freshman. He made 1st team Freshman All Big 10, had some memorable comebacks, and made some freshman mistakes. He wasn't surrounded by Jake Long, Braylon Edwards, or Mike Hart like our last freshman to start at QB was.
Sorry 31 yard runs against Notre Dame don't impress me. Split the safeties against OSU and then you will get me to take notice. You guys have faith and I have history on my side. LSU, Texas, OSU, Penn State,Florida, USC and most 10 ten programs don't ride 6 foot and hopefully 200lb's QB;s. Do you understand how big Tim Tebow and Chase Daniels are? They can handle the pounding Tate can't. Denard has special speed and could be a Pat White type but I just don't see it with him either long term. When you can't see over the line people, you're in trouble. We can argue all night but the fact is we are losing to teams like Purdue, MSU, and god for godsakes Illinois. If you don't recognize that defensive coordinators adapted to what Tate was doing and we went 1-7 at in conference with him at QB then I can't help you. Like I said before, I have better expectations of the U of M QB and don't want to finally see a winning season in 2012 going 9-3 losing to OSU, PSU, and the bowl game.
Keep on hating on guy like Pryor but no one but the U of M fan base and Matt Millen believes he's better. I read your post here mid season and almost threw up laughing. I'm sick of those OSU bastards beating us to a pulp and getting the glory along with it. I was happy for OSU and the Big Ten yesterday but I couldn't help to think what if that was the Wolverines. But if Tates you man keep on dreaming.
a new meltdown.
Ringing in the new year in style!
step 1: insert random hammer video
step 2: cue to 1:15
pretty early in the year for the hammer
Chris leak wasn't 6 feet tall and pat white didn't weigh 200 lbs. The country is filled with 6' 190 lb running backs that carry the ball 20 times a game with no problem. Plus, you keep referring to your audience as 'people' which is very condescending, and then say things like I can't help you, which makes me wonder how someone with so few knowledgeable opinions gets so arrogant.
good start, -40 already. And if that run against ND didn't impress you, it sure impressed the hell out of me. He left the defenders jock strap on the field and it made Sportscenter. And in case you didn't notice, our defense had alot to do with a few losses.
involved in internet fights but troy smith, Heisman winner extraordinaire, was 6-0 215 at ohio state.
As things stand, we will not lose to PSU in 2011 or 2012. Same for Purdue.
There is only ONE Tim Tebow
My 2010 resolution to stop replying to stupid people/posts is off to a bad start...
and i thought doctorsherwin had issues...
Now this is a dumb post. First, who is Gardener? Second, let's not forget that he was a true freshman. He needed to make smarter plays at times but that will come with more on the field maturity. Like I said in a previous post, I don't think he should go un-criticized but this is completely stupid.
He will get bigger with age and he is faster than you are suggesting. I was pretty impressed with his feel for the game and ability to read defenses, early in the season. It wasn't until after his injuries, when he started to make "poor decisions".
This isn't the day of Doug Flutie??? But Chase Daniels and the dude from Kansas (sorry, can't remember his name) didn't seem to struggle because of their size. Tate will be fine. I said it earlier, I didn't like his off the field stuff at times. But he showed flashes of brilliance on the field and I don't see any reason to believe he won't continue to get better.
Devin Gardner sounds like the real deal but if they open next year with another first time starter....
Chase Daniels was 225-230 and we don't run the same offense as Kansas. Are you saying you would be happy with the amount of success Kansas has had. Yeah they throw the ball 50 time for 400 years a game but when they go against a real Oklahoma team they get smoked. The year they went 12-1 they didn't even play the Sooners. They went 5-7 this year with the smoke and mirror offense. I see I'm getting negative points for telling my honest opinion which goes to show you why the the State of Michigan is in the condition it's in. I love Michigan football and the State of Michigan but if fail to to adapt properly people the Michigan football will go the way of basketball team, the auto industry, and the City of Detroit. We aren't that far from being Notre Dame with fans like yourself.
Don't worry, rivals said there is a 5 star governor who likes us. He has never been a governor before but looked fantastic in high school government and mock UN. I hear we are going to blindly give him complete authority based on that alone. You should be thrilled.
this system seems to work well for Detroit's city council.
You are getting negative points because you are a troll. Now please go away.
NO! David,don't make the the bad men stop,I have nothing to do and I like these meltdowns.
Giving your honest opinion is great. My honest opinion is that you don't know what you are talking about. I brought up Missu and Kansas because you said you can't succeed with small QB's. Was Daniels 225-230 when he was a freshman? I doubt it. I don't think you are wrong for criticizing Tate. I just think you are going overboard. Were you saying all of that when they were 4-0? I'd bet you weren't.
How you somehow find parallel's between this post and the condition of the State of Michigan, shows how delusional you really are. You want a 5 star QB, right? Look on Rivals and tell me what Gardner is right now? Tate will be much better next year and I'm sure you will be one of the guys touting him for the Heisman. I'm sure you tell everyone how you wanted Tom Brady to play over Henson, too.
was exactly the same size as T-Force when he came in. 6'0 175-180 lbs. He turned out decent.
I have also seen pictures of Drew Brees and Forcier standing side by side and they look to be very comparable.
Sorry, I was going to refrain from joining the train wreck, but then I became curious why Chase Daniels was running the Kansas offense?
Chase Daniels went to to Missouri, not Kansas
as Mike Gundy says "GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!"
I've followed M football closely for 35+ years now, and for that entire time there was some segment of the M fan base who thought their QB == FAIL. Good to see that not all traditions were thrown out with the transition to RR.
Tate ain't perfect, never will be. But he was good enough already as a frosh to have won 9 or 10 games for a better team. And it seemed to me that most of his mistakes came from trying to do too much - probably because he realized he was the only player in a position to make up for a lousy D, mediocre O-line, and MASH unit full of RBs. It often fell to him to try for miracles, and I give him credit for taking the challenges on squarely, even when he failed.
because some people are delusional. That's life, some people want to believe what they want to despite the truth and the facts. Beating Notre Dame is not a big accomplishment anymore. Remember their coach got FIRED for a reason. "Dumb and troll" are great responses I expect from "Downriver Wal-Mart Wolverines". Trust me you don't want to get into name calling with me and I don't like E-Thugs. Just state the facts people and we can debate civilly.
I just have high standards as should anyone who roots for U of M. Tate knows what he got himself into by seeing his brother and does not need to be coddled. I have a really big problem with facebook and when he started posting inside info on the program that was a real downer for me as a fan. No Tate and the U of M program owe me nothing. I not into blind faith and you have no absolute proof he will get better enough to make a difference.
Stating my football resume and people I know will do me no good. All I have is my opinion and the facts to state. 1-7 people, 1-7 but is sound as if some of you would like to pop champagne over a 4-4 conference and a mid December bowl game. Good luck with that.
because you have no idea what you're talking about but you pass off each post as if it is gospel. tate was a true freshman last year and did about as well as a freshman can be expected to do without an all-world WR to throw to.
because you sound like a complete asshole.
Thank you for your insightful analysis, ESPN should be contacting you soon. Stay by the phone.
The Freep should be contacting YOU.
How in the name of MGoBlog do you have -99657 points?
LOL. Did you pull that out your a@@hole or did you have to pull out the mack truck first??????????????? We can go all night people but I expected better than this to boil down to name calling. I could go to an OSU forum for this level of moronic intelligence.
ive never seen anything like that before. impressive.
since TomHagan melted down. Maybe you are TomHagen.
You state: "I just have high standards as should anyone who roots for U of M."
My high standards cause me to dismiss your idiotic rantings.
Ask USC how they liked starting a freshman QB this year. 7 straight Pac-10 championships and 7 straight BCS bowl games before this year.
He gutted it out last year despite obvious injuries, and for the most part, played beyond his years. For a true freshman, I was impressed. He needs to add about 10 pounds of muscle this offseason and just keep improving on his reads. I think him and Roundtree started to click at the end of the year, and that should carry over to the next.
You mean the same Colt McCoy who red shirted and is currently listed as 6-2 and 210 pounds. He spent all year in the weight room. Tate had personal trainers and was home schooled around football. It is very possible that he is maxed out. He put on 10 pounds to get up to 190 and lost it all during the season. At the end of some games he was looking "gassed" which surprised me considering he made it through Barwis's conditioning program.
Maybe he will gain 30 pounds and grow two inches during his time here but it won't happen in the off season. He will never get that year back in the weight room because RichRod played him to soon like Sam McGuffie. Coaches aren't alway right and neither am I.but I would put money on what I believe in. Tate was Michgan's third choice for a reason so you can't even say he's Rich Rod's "guy". I see that Tate is god on this site and I apologize for offending you guy but it doesn't hurt my feeling. I went through the same thing with the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" issue so I know about going against the majority when they have "blind faith."
Congratulations... you've made it to Neg On Sight status.
It's the thought that counts, +1 to you.
As a matter of fact, I'm going to +1 all of your posts to help you on your long road to MGoPoints recovery.
Wolverine318 = the next MGoAwards Comeback Poster of the Year? Making up -99,634 points would be pretty impressive.
Let's make it happen.
That's what I'm doing! +1 to Wolverine318 forever.
Let me help +1
and so very true. +1 to you.
Wait, you mean the same Tate who has publicly said he had never done strength training as part of his regimen until he got to UM is maxed out? That makes complete sense, I don't why people would neg you so much, you're obviously the most logical and informed person on the board.
You beat me to the punch +1 and well said.
...before you post. Tate has repeatedly stated that he NEVER lifted weights until he enrolled in college. He had personal trainers to teach him throwing mechanics, not to lift weights. It was also reported multiple times that from his Jan enroll to fall practice he gained 10-15 pounds of muscle. Texas could afford to redshirt a kid like McCoy but Michigan couldn't wait, unfortunatly. What makes you think that Forcier was third choice? Two other kids, who were offered at the same time as Tate, committed first. Anyone knows anything about Michigan recruiting already knows, RR kept recruiting Tate even though he had 2 "better" prospects already committed. Why would he do that? It could be because Tate was the #1 most accurate passer in highschool football. Again, not specualtion, fact. Please stop posting you really belong on the freep or mlive, you are embarrassing yourself, and please learn how to use the "Reply" button.
So now it is better to redshirt a QB? I thought you wanted to start a true freshman next year, too? Your logic baffles me?
would you kindly give us your top ten moments of being ridiculed by the uneducated masses for your righteous positions
I will send this post to some of my friends. Please don't say all two of them that would be really lame and so 80's. So they can get a kick get out of this. Not because of my statements but because of the blind faith in this forum. But hey the tooth fairy, santa claus, and the easter bunny just called me so I gotta go.
was funny as hell!
Would you kindly head to Ryan's office and kill the son of a bitch?
Nice. Would you kindly... haha.
he definitely had some flashes of brilliance (that play in one of the early games where he pointed the receiver into the endzone was incredible). but there is no question that his decision-making could use improvement, which is obviously expected of a freshman. But there is really no excuse for putting the ball on the ground as often as he did. Hopefully he'll be able to clean that up going into next season.
Don't make me call Craig Roh's father again.
Tate had no problem running the offense this year, throwing for 2000+ yards is pretty good for a true frosh on a VERY young team. Give him time, Im sure everybody wants him to gain weight, but we can wait (at least 1-2 more years) for him to continue to develope into the great QB that he WILL be.
i'm not gonna bash the kid but lets not say "what else did you want from him?", because that can be answered pretty easily.
1) he could have refrained from dropping the ball multiple times without being touched throughout the course of the season.
2) he could have improved his decision making at some point during the season (i.e. running around in the backfield holding the ball like its a tennis ball)
Not trying to rip on Tate here, but I think its a big stretch to say he couldn't have done more (even as a freshman).
I'm going to agree with you. He did an excellent job but they way he took care of the ball when scrambling was poor, and that backwards pass during the Iowa game was a little embarrassing but mistakes happen he'll learn quickly, I have full faith in him for next year.
The discussion a week ago was not Tate bashing- that is incorrect. The gist of the discussion was simply this: RR's spread offense is geared more toward the run and prefers a running quaterback. Tate is more of a passer, however RR's passing game doesn't seem to be one of the better passing schemes in college football. So the question was raised- Is Tate the right guy for this offense? There was no Tate bashing, no ripping him for being a freshman. No one downplayed his talents. He is a good quarterback and will only get better.
Edit: Wrong thread!
in pryors "breakout" game that will get the heisman hype train rolling he had a career high 23 completions and 266 yards.
in tates SECOND game as a true fresh he had 23 completions for 240 yards.
anyone who can't recognize that potential is blind.
This was an absolute gem.
Making pretty indefensible and ignorant remarks, then becoming defensive and insulting our "moronic intelligence".
he regressed throughout the season, there is no doubt about that. how injured he was will forever be a mystery. how big an impact molk/minor/brown being out will as well. his on field production has a ways to go if he wants to hold off gardner for an entire season.
Look, the guy is short. Short and slow. The 2 kisses of death. He is so short that he can't see to the second level of receivers UNLESS he runs to one side of the field or the other. That is a huge limitation for any offense. And his limited height and visibility.... combined with him having a weak arm..... causes him to constantly miss receivers at the second level. He missed them all season long. And he missed them badly! Missed them by 5 yards or more. Wasn't even close on his intermediate or deep passes.
The guy is accurate ONLY within the dink and dunk offense that we have to play with him at quarterback. Dink and dunk! Anything downfield and the guy is way off target. HE IS NOT ACCURATE AT ALL. Just about all his touchdown passes were quick, short passes with the receiver having to make plays to get the ball into the endzone.
TATE HAS ALLEGEDLY ALREADY THREATENED TO TRANSFER. And based upon the actions of his parents and brothers, I believe the report. This guy and has family have a history of demanding what they want, and if they dont get it, taking their ball and running home.
Can you say, Craig James??!!
There is a reason why Rich Rod leaked it out that Tate wasn't getting it done in the classroom. A very strange move for a head coach. Even the commentators stated that they thought that was strange.
And there is a reason why Rich Rod calls Tate, "Hollywood". And last time I checked, Hollywood is not in San Diego. It is because of Tate's drama, acting out, bratty behavior and histrionics.... vis a vis Hollywood.
It is obvious to me that Rich Rod doesn't really respect him. And who would if you had to deal with this guy, his family and his sense of entitlement.
We don't need spoiled, bratty, rich kids playing quarterback for UM. We need men! Michigan "Men"!
As soon as the cold weather hit, this little guy was bundled up as if he were playing football in the North Pole or something. This little guy can't cut it in the midwest or the Big 10. Time for "Little Man Tate" to do what he and his family do best.... take their ball and run home.
The Black team coach, former NFL coach Sam Wyche, raved about Gardner in the ESPN game notes.
"Devin is going to be a big-time player at Michigan," Wyche said. "He and (Alabama commitment) Phillip Sims are guys to me that are going to come quickly to the scene. Devin has a great smile. He is going to sell a lot of product for somebody. He's got a great personality. He's smart -- you can change directions with him and it doesn't bother him at all. He is ready to go."
“Devin is going to be a big-time player at Michigan,” Wyche said. “He's got a great personality. He's going to sell a lot of product for somebody. He can change directions, no problem and (the pressure) doesn't bother him. He and Phillip Sims are going to be the early comers to the show quick.”
I guess you guys would give the former super bowl coach negative points if he said the same thing on this board. The truth is that the kid is bigger, faster, stronger, and SMARTER.
If he makes it to spring practice he will have no problem picking up the offense. I'll bet on any former U of D Jesuit kid (2 years) having no problem with the mental part of the game. The main reason he left was because U of D had a terrible team that never won a game while he was there. He went to Inkster HS because the former St Martin De Porres staff took over the football program. Obviously he made the right choice.
I have bashed Tate because some of his flaws but the kid is going to really have to humble himself. Against elite competition is when most of his bad habits show up. He's going to learn how to pull back a times and just manage the game. He's never going to be the best athlete on the field on this level like he was in high school.
IMO RichRod is going to look the situation much like Tressel did with Boeckman. He's going to go with the guy who can help him right now while having the higher ceiling at the same time. The standards at OSU are winning BCS games and NC's period. You can down Oregon all you want but that is the same program that recently beat Michigan twice. The last loss at the Big House was more embarrassing than the App State loss. IMO that was Lloyd's final nail in the coffin.
I'm looking forward to next year. Hopefully Devin can get to spring practice and we can have a true competition. My the best player win.