Wow never knew that our facilities were that bad.
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Wow never knew that our facilities were that bad.
If we stick with RR....and he lets us stick with him (ie, not making mistakes that the NCAA looks into) we'll become great again...
I'd hate to be that revolving door or even just having to go through this again if a new coach doesn't like the system and the players brought in for it.
Glad to hear from a outside source that people still believe in Coach Rod. After this season everyone will know we are back anyways though...
if it doesn't come together this year. I still think Rich is the guy. It sounds as if DB can be patient, but I fear the pitchforks of the alumni if we're home for the holidays.
Agree, I think the alumni is restless. I was amazed at the alumni event in NYC this week where Brian spoke how many alumns just wanted RR out now. I mean, not even wanting to see the season. It was really sad. I understand we are all frustrated but this house divided will hurt the program even more.
Thanks for sharing. Great comments.
"Michigan should keep Rodriguez and play it for the long haul, not the short term. He's a damn good coach, and if the NCAA doesn't hit him hard, Michigan will keep him, and he's going to be fun to watch with all the talent he can attract to Michigan and that offense...look out!"
Thanks for sharing this. I love what he said about UM keeping RR. I totally agree with that quote. If DB fires RR after this season, our football program will be is total despair again because he has his type of players and athletes. If a pro-style coach is hired, half of the players don't quite fit that mold. This year will be a good one, but next year and beyond is when Michigan Wolverine football becomes a NC contender year in and year out again.
Edit: damn, rb4kb8 kind of beat me to it. Oh well.
If a pro-style coach is hired, half of the players don't quite fit that mold. This year will be a good one, but next year and beyond is when Michigan Wolverine football becomes a NC contender year in and year out again.
I totally agree. I mean look at this team next year. We don't lose to much on the line. I mean we lose Schilling but we have a lot of offensive lineman to fill in. Two junior QB's, and a sophmore Devin Gardner, and all the running backs. On Defense the DB's will have a year under their belt and hopefully we get T-Wolf back. The Defensive line will also be stacked. The only thing that would hurt us is if Rodriguez is fired so I hope Brandon would take that into consideration when they sit down after the season. People say they want Harbaugh in, Well are you willing to sacrifice three more years of rebuilding to make that happen or are you willing to give Rich one more year with a stacked team THAT HE BUILT and see what he does with it????? That's the million dollar decision.
Glad we are on the same page! Ha just can't wait to start whooping on some teams this year.
Oh how I long for payback. Although I dont think we need to wait till 2011 for that to start happenining....And yes, I am talking to you little brother...
What I want to know is if people want Harbaugh if Stanford returns to being Stanford this year? Many wanted Miles, but now that he's not the hot coach many seem to have cooled on him. Reminds me of investing and seeing people lose their butt chasing a hot stock.
RR is the guy and will get it done if given the chance. He's made some stumbles along the way (Hopson, wtf?) and I'm still not sold on Gerg, but RR can get it done given the opportunity.
This was definitely an eye opening read. +1 for sharing it here.
That was a great read, and a very unique take on something all of us cannot hold a non-objective opinion about. Well done.
I thought you were going to be that MSU douche bag weighing in on our program once again, but that was really a great read. Thanks for posting.
RationalMSUfan? He seemed ok for a couple days, then he posted something stupid and got negbanged heavily.
He hasn't coached since 1991....when was the last time he SAW our facilities?
A lot has changed since 1991...
And you kinda lost me at-
I then turned my questions to what happened at Michigan, and why things had gotten so bad before Carr left.
That's pretty impressive -- feels good to hear that, not from a random fan or something but someone who understands deep down about the entire football "enterprise" so-to-speak.
I remember McWilliams when he was at Texas Tech and I was at TCU (pre Michigan). He always struck me as a classy guy. I think his observations are right on, we didn't get in the hole overnight and we aren't getting out overnight.
Now there's a movie I haven't seen in a long time... The scene when Hanks goes crazy stuck in the floor/rug is my favorite. Now that I own a house, I'm sure it would be even funnier...
Wow grew up watching this movie. 2 weeks
I remember camping at Michigan while in high school and their weight room was not very good at all. I also camped at WMU my senior year 2003-2004 and even there weight room was comparable. When kids see Oregon and Maryland with their jerseys and facilities they think its cool. Tradition only goes so far..
Remember that we are dealing with 17 and 18 year old kids.
I believe that they all want to play for a big name school, but they want those great facilities and connection with coaches too.
And yes, Michigan's facilities were, by most sources, adequate. Adequate does not impress a kid. They want it all. They want big time.
FWIW....I see this guy's postings on the other site and he often "meets" people in the know about college football....me thinks he makes many of these meetings up....IMO
it could only have been in comparison to OSU, Texas and a handful (max) of others. I simply do not buy the idea that "Wisconsin" has such fabulously better facilities. Or MSU, or ...Maryland?
If Coach McWilliams was here before the Stadium renovation and before Glick was compleed, then yeah, I can sort of see his point. But since then...
Anyway, I'll grant anybody a couple of points:
1. Schembechler Hall might need a tear-down. From an exterior-architecture point of view, I'd be happy to see it go. It's the ugliest, standout eyesore on the Athletic Campus. And it could be reconfigured for the 21st century. It is almost too bad that it is named "Schembechler Hall." Because that might somehow make it sacrosanct when it shouldn't be; it is just a building. Tear it down, build a better one, and rededicate it as Schembechler Hall.
2. Michigan needing to "pick up the pace" on facilities was well known four or five years ago (or more?), the moment that OSU opened its eye-popping weight room.
Otherwise, I thought this was a good read. Thanks to the OP. Does anybody know if Oosterbaan still an essential facility as an extra fieldhouse? Or could it be torn down, along with Schembechler Hall, to make way for a leapfrogging-OSU/Texas/ND-kind of Football Office Building and weight center?
I just read an article about Wisconsin needing to upgrade the 30 year old McClain Center, aka, "The Shell," which houses the football facilities. They want to put in a multistory building connected to Camp Randall that will essentially house every UW athlete's need in the same state-of-the-art-place. They are trying to get state money to fund this recruit-hypnotizing monstrosity, hence the article. I've seen the McClain Center and it was already looking outdated in the 90s, so as far as current facilities go, Wisconsin's are in need of an upgrade.
I don't know what Michigan's facilities were like, but I can tell you that Maryland has fantastic athletic facilities.
wretched. Now they are talked about in the same breath as Oregon's.
These things are all fixable. We're heading in the right direction.
FWIW, it seems like an old man just saying what someone wants to hear.
"Not your fault...you can't recruit kids there. I saw that coming..."
Then he goes on to say:
"With all the talent you can bring in there, I can't wait to see what he does".
old men say whatever they want to say, not what you want to hear. And why not? They've earned the right.
Facilities were run down, and still Schembechler Hall needs redone as well as Oosterban field house needs to be brought way up to date....yes, I will say the athletic department in about 5yrs needs to have both of them done....
Winning brings recruits, period. Putting players in the nfl brings recruits period. Miami and Usc are 100% proof of this.
The facilities arms race began in the 90's across college football and most of the sec schools were the 1st to do so. Now the rest of the country is catching up or been catching up the last decade. Michigan's facilities are on par with any top program, though texas has really went over the top with their facilities.
First, this is his opinion.
But that accounts for about 90% of everything logged in this site - mine included.
You might not want to buy into all of it. I don't. But I do think there is a lot of credibility since he seems not to have any axe to grind and has a broader perspective than most of us.
If anything, as die hard Michigan fans we believe that everyone should understand the deep traditions and see the program as a major power.
The truth is that 1. Our name opens doors - it doesn't (in and of itself) close the deal. 2. Kids see what is important to them. 3. You only have one chance for a first impression. 4. Everyone is looking for something different. 5. We must equip our coaches with the very best, if they are to preform at the top. 6. That has not always been the case at Michigan. 7. It is a constant fight to stay at the top - no one can rest on their past performance.
So blow this off if you want. But I think there is truth here. The only question is "How much?"
Better facilities stat! Seriously, maybe it would help the bball recruiting if Crisler didn't look so run down. I'm sure football recruiting is gonna take a step up now that we have renovated Michigan Stadium and Newsterbaan. I haven't been in the weight room, but how does that look from someone who has?
This is the sort of post that I look forward to when I visit here. Voices like Coach McWilliams have perspective. They've been there, done that. Plus one.
Ugh. For some reason, all I could think of near the end of the OP's post was "The Money Pit"...
Michigan facilities has improved a lot.
Crisler is still a dump. I'm glad that Dave Brandon is aware of it. Also, it's about time that MBB has a practice facility. Michigan has been way behind in that department and it has hurt them in recruiting big time.
I haven't had my coffee yet, read MBB as MMB, and started wondering if there was a Rivals site for Oboe players.