noshesnot

June 7th, 2010 at 9:19 PM ^

Yes.  I think it'd be great to have a traditional first Big Ten game and a traditional final Big Ten game.  Also, the main reason I want Notre Dame in the Big Ten is then it will allow Michigan to schedule different OOC teams.  ND has some cache to the name, and a victory goes a long way (regardless of how well the team is doing), but i'd love to see a couple of home and homes a la OSU and Texas/USC/etc.

Lordfoul

June 7th, 2010 at 9:53 PM ^

Honestly, it would be sweet to start the conference season against ND and end it with OSU every year.  That would be quite a bookend of hatred.

ND having to play MSU last each season would round that out nicely.

Yostal

June 7th, 2010 at 10:44 PM ^

I really really like that idea.  That would mean:

Michigan-Ohio State
Michigan State-Notre Dame
Illinois-Northwestern
Indiana-Purdue

This would leave four teams without permanent dance partners for their year end game under this scenario:

Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Penn State

I say we give Iowa and Penn State some form of trophy and make their last game of the season a rivalry game.

I'm not going to get into divisional alignments because we've been there, but that is what I see as the one downside of making MSU/ND the new last game of the season.

M-Wolverine

June 7th, 2010 at 9:36 PM ^

If they're in the Conference, we'll play them when they're scheduled. And if they're not that year, I can live with the break. And would want it if we only go to 12. Because while there will be ups and downs, generally powers stay powers, and M and OSU will be paired, so you need to get PSU & ND on the same side. That's why uber-expansion makes more sense. Brian's Texas, Neb, Missou, trio of rivals, A&M and ND is competitive comparable to other side with current big 3 and rest of the lot. And the only real rivalry broken up is the current OOC ones- ND vs. B10 teams; Miss/Ill. And even that could be fixed with flipping ND and Ill, just sacrificing Ill-NW. But the balance of National Powers would go from 3-3 to 2-4.

Captain

June 7th, 2010 at 9:33 PM ^

Missouri has rankled members of the Big 12 with its outward affection for the Big Ten. One member of the Big 12 said, "It's as if they'd crawl on broken glass to get there."

Wolverine In Exile

June 7th, 2010 at 11:11 PM ^

but its not Texas. The drama with the Pac 10 should kill any notion to Big Ten fans that UT is coming since they're going to have to drag their three brothers with them anywhere they go per the Texas Legislature. Big Ten isn't taking Texas Tech or Baylor. Period. And if you doubt the power of the Texas Legislature, you are a moron.

ShockFX

June 7th, 2010 at 11:13 PM ^

Neg.  Once the PAC-10 rescinds the offer because Stanford and Cal say no to TT/Baylor/OK/OKState, then the Texas legislature can either let UT and A&M join big boy conferences or let them try to be independent, or be idiots and have an all Texas conference and add Rice/Houston/TCU/SMU or something.  Actually, they'll probably make an all Texas conference.

steve sharik

June 8th, 2010 at 12:10 AM ^

It was called the Southwest Conference, and was disbanded in 1996 largely b/c it was the most corrupt entity in sports.  The SWC's members at its end in 1996 were:

  • Texas
  • A&M
  • Baylor
  • TCU
  • A "Tech" problem
  • Rice
  • Houston
  • SMU

In the work The National Collegiate Athletic Association: a Study in Cartel Behavior by Arthur A. Fleisher, Brian L. Goff, and Robert D. Tollison, the authors state:

The Southwest Conference during the mid-1980s provides an example of more recent intracartel struggles. Almost all the schools in the conference found themselves on some type of probation, the major exception being the University of Arkansas....[Arkansas was in the SWC until 1991.]

3rdGenerationBlue

June 7th, 2010 at 9:48 PM ^

How does this impact recruiting? If some teams become less relevant on the national stage will their recruiting hot beds be picked clean by the super conference powers?

Wolverine In Exile

June 7th, 2010 at 11:14 PM ^

but the top recruits will want to play on the biggest stages... the super Mega Streisand conference ideas being pushed will definitively setup a big boys and little boys situation, and yes that would impact recruiting  but more so for the teams not in the mega conferences since the TV opportunities for non mega conference teams will be few / far between / on Thursday nights on ESPN Ocho.

ShockFX

June 7th, 2010 at 10:56 PM ^

I'd like to be the first to thank the PAC-10 for making this all possible.  This whole charade was only possible when they bought in and made the batshit crazy, out of nowhere semi-offer to the Big12 South 6.  That gives Nebraska plausible reason to say they HAD to take the Big10 offer, Mizzou as well, then ND's hand is forced.

Think about it.  Utah and Colorado are the ONLY schools outside of Texas that make sense for the Pac10, and the Pac10 isn't going to take OK State, OK, and Texas Tech/Baylor to get them.  Stanford, Cal, USC, and UCLA don't want to be associated with that, and Stanford and CAL don't even care about football that much.

Everyone can safely say they had no choice, then UT can decide how they are going to ditch TT and Baylor and either move with A&M to the Big16 or Pac-10.

joeyb

June 7th, 2010 at 11:49 PM ^

I think those 3 would be perfect. I just hope they don't screw it up and invite Rutgers+1 right now. I would much rather let this dust settle a little and get 2 good fits in another few years to push us to 16.

M2NASA

June 8th, 2010 at 9:53 AM ^

Every single report on Missouri being a done-deal is coming from Missouri... I think they're desperate, especially being a Tier-2 school that is far lower ranked (#102) than the lowest ranked Big Ten school (MSU #73), looking to get into a Tier-1 conference.

joeyb

June 8th, 2010 at 12:24 AM ^

I just found this gem on Twitter:

"Texas is that cute chic at the bar you take home ... and then you notice she has 3 kids"

In reply to by ShockFX

joeyb

June 8th, 2010 at 10:20 AM ^

Yea. I'm not sure why you're arguing with me on this though. I just thought it was funny and posted it. I didn't write it.

a2bluefan

June 8th, 2010 at 1:23 AM ^

USC is hoping they can time publishing a laundry list of NCAA sanctions to coincide with big, definitive conference expansion announcements such that their sanctions get buried on page 8-D somewhere. (Bets, anyone?)

More on topic.... my personal preference is B10 adds Mizzou, ND, Nebraska. No more than that, and only ND or Mizzou if they just go with one team. I've always liked that the B10 is a bunch of teams in the midwest, and I'd like to see it stay that way. I could be sold on Pitt, if for no other reason than to watch the rekindling of a once-fierce PSU/Pitt rivalry. But I have zero interest in Rutgers, Syracuse, Maryland, etc.