Going for 2 was correct, but the play call wasn't. Can't tip your hand and then go back to it. Cost us the game.
In Support of Brady's Two Point Call
disagree...I think it was a decent play call....Gardner threw it too far inside...hence the pick. It is easy to go back and 2nd guess the call...especially since we all want Borges sitting next year out. As usual...Gardner was forced to throw early...coverage was tight. Still love the decision to go for 2
The coverage was tight because we tipped off the play before Urban's TO. Urban adjusted and we didn't. We got outcoached on the 2 pt.
Yup, they saw our formation and called timout. Then we ran the same play. Fail.
incorrect...the first play call was probably a Gardner roll out to the right...just like half of the close games we had this year. Instead we threw it. I would have been pissed if I saw DG get stopped again on the 1 with 5 people taclking him.
Long story short...Borges reads this blog...and knows too much. FIRE HIM!
But how the decision was made really bothers me. Hoake asked the seniors. Are you freaking kidding me. Why the hell are you getting paid a whole lot of money to allow players to make decisions.
Happens all the time.
I would have done the same...and I am not surprised by the decision to go for 2. Whether it came from the seinors or Hoke...it was the right call. You play to win the game. Period.
Don't think asking a group that has to run the play what play they feel they can score with?
I understand what your saying but in that situation I can absolutely understand it. It's not like we have been running the coach called plays well all year.
wasn't talking about "what" play to run...just the fact about going for it. I am sure no one on the team would have said "no...lets play for OT". You play to win....thats all. Let em hang...
Absolutely need the option to run, as well as backside outlet. Proud of the team's effort today - nothing to hang your heads' about! What a game.
An OSU fan on r/cfb had this to say:
"Michigan probably couldn't convert that last 2pt conversion because their massive balls were in the way."
"Let 'em hang" - Fab 5
Play call was crap. No matter how you try to spin it, it was still another failure.
I want another OC just as much as the next guy. Bottom line is...we found ways to score (today). Proud of the team for letting it hang today. Now to cheer Alabama and FSU on so that OSU doesn't get a chance to play for a national championship
And then Ohio to beat State. If Bama and FSU stay undefeated. Right?
well...there goes that idea. Poop
Absolutely the right call.
Best case scenario in OT short of a turnover was keeping pace with them and having to go for two in third OT anyway. Better to go then while their defense is realing and we have the Mo. Odds are we would be big underdogs in OT scenario.
Should have lined up behind the center, ran a play action rollout, therefore giving Gardner to make a play with his feet or his arm.
I'm going to go against the grain and say the playcall was just fine. It appeared if DG waits 0.5 - 1.0 more second, Gallon was going to open for the win. DG wasn't under pressure, stared down Dileo and made a quick throw with a guy jumping the route.
Good playcall, bad decision by DG.
I really like the call on every front except for the fact it meant Al Borges calling a one-and-done, feast-or-famine short yardage play, and Devin Gardner making said decision. Don't get me wrong, I love Devin's effort today. But I look at every variable in this situation, and I keep coming back to the idea I'd rather take that momentum into OT than put this particular offense and coaching staff in that situation given the fact they'd been so amazingly bad in that same situation for pretty much the entire day. But at least in those situations they had more than one down.
I don't know. I'm pissed about a dozen other things today that I'd rather second guess than this. I appreciate Brady going for it all, and I appreciate the seniors wanting to go for the win. Just wish it worked.
Absolutely the right call to go for two. Devin hobbling limited the play calling and the option route from Dileo sealed the game vs. ND...same call opposite side of the field.
Supported before Meyer's time-out, vehemently opposed after. Catch them off guard and you've got a chance and/or force OT at home where we've been able to move all day. After, they are prepared and the odds aren't in our favor and you throw away three heroic drives of effort on a one and done attempt. Bar call.
After the TO, kick the extra point. Wanted to go for 2 because of not kicking the FG earlier in the game.
Play for OT. Especially at home. Could be a fumble, could be a missed FG. Oh, but we can't stop them...well fuck, they couldn't stop us either. They lost the fucking game because of that call period. moral victories blow.
Nope, not at all. You play to win. There is no difference in an 8-4 or 7-5 Michigan, no conference champ. game to play for. If we get that 2 pt conversion and win you'd be singing praise. Could not count on our D to stop them, we hadn't all game.
Agreed...if we were a 10-2 team the decision to go for it may have been different. Love the call...even after several beverages after the final whistle.
It was the right call. We could not stop Miller or Hyde, and I didn't want to try to keep up with OSU in OT.
Brady has got some major cojones. I give him kudos for the call.
Too bad we didnt win, but a great game.
Great call. No question. IT showed guts and was basically or only chance, we had no chance in OT.
So we needed a 2 yd gain. Ohio had no timeouts an potentially 80 yd away from the end zone, maybe 50 yd from a FG and 30 sec to work with. Braxton running is trouble bc if he's stopped its game over. Hence significant advantage M.
Go to overtime and it's even up again.
I would have liked to see a lob to Funchess ...jump ball or Dileo on the pick and turnaround same as was used against ND with success. Also a flood right run-pass read. Gardner is a wizard at finding guys 3 yd out when he's on the run.
agree with the decision even more. Our Dline was getting gashed (holding makes blocking easier) and OSU could pick up 5+ yards just running anything between the tackles. Our passing game was working but DG was exhausted.
Gain 3 yards just once and the game is over.
Absolutely support it. There is no difference between an 8-4 and 7-5 Michigan, might as well go for the jugular if the opportunity is there. While it did not work out in our favor this instance, I absoulutely love the aggressive call.
If we had lost in OT, I would have said why hell didn't you go for two! Your QB was the walking wounded. Great call IMO! Gives me hope that Hoke will turn out to be a good to great coach for us.
Also I think if Gardner has 0.5 to 1 second more, there was an open Jeremy Gallon in the endzone for the win.
Win the bowl game and let's do this 2014.
I agree with the call, but the playcall was awful, especially after Urban called a timeout. No adjustment on the field....again. Hoke, Borges, etc might be great on the whiteboard, but during the game? We almost never adjust, especially when we're facing top coaches who show the ability to do so.
I was at the game, and I could not see Brady. Did he have a headset on when they were deciding the final playcall? Did it look like he had any input on what we were going to do?
He had a headset for the last few minutes of the game at least
110% support for the two point conversion call. There were 4 factors that went into the call, IMO:
1) Gardner was maybe at 50% at best
2) No Gibbons
3) Ohio's running game
4) What the seniors wanted (if that is true)
Could we have won in OT, of course. But, I think it was more likely that Ohio was going to score, and our offense was going to sputter because of Gardner's injury. Without Gibbons your OT scheme is totally crippled if you do manage to stop them. I really hope it's true that he asked the seniors what they wanted to do. I love that idea, it's their team after all.
If they make the 2 point conversion, and win, that goes down in the lore of The Game as the greatest call of all time. Too bad it didn't work out.
its a shame we didn't make it... but I love the call. we score and they talk about it for fifty years...
I loved the call, Devin's decision on the pass was not the best. But damn it I loved the call to go for the win!!!
Wouldn't have had it any other way. Happy with Hoke, with Borges, with Devin, not with the final outcome.
I'm 1000% cool with the call, went for the win!
And I guess winning is just an okay outcome. But what do they know.
Sorry I couldn't watch the game following the UMICH feed on Twitter and I swore when they said Mich was going for two. Wife asked what.. I said Hoke is going for two.. stupid ... wrong... and then I saw the result. I wish I had been wrong.
because Alabama foolishly went for a 58 yard field goal?
Hoke made the right call... he had a chance to seal a victory with one play. He asked the players, they were ready. And we went for it. I loved the call...
Because by tying you are forcing the other team to have to do something to win.. you go for the almost given PAT... outcome is that you force the other team to do something to win 98+% of the time.
Go for the point conversion: unsure of the percentages but highest outcome.. force the other team to do something to win.. or they can sit on the ball.
I get it that the Michigan Defense wasn't stopping OSU.. but then again. help me if I'm wrong here. it was a tie game and I don't think there were any Michigan Defensive Touchdowns? So isn't it fairly obvious that the OSU defense wasn't stopping Michigan?
But hey in the end it doesn't matter what I think. Only matters what Mr. Brandon thinks. Have a good evening.
Different players, different circumstances
Mostly everybody , in the bar at bowling alley, was screaming go for two. I was one of them. This is the most at peace I have been with a loss in a long time.
Even Ohio fans knew they really shouldn't have won that one.
Even though we won 2 years ago this is the best we have looked against them in a long time.
I think they should have kicked the field goal on 4th and 2.
Im glad Brady has the in-game IQ to see those kinds of things. We can relive the 'what ifs' on that 2 pt try for the next 50 years but going for it was still the right call.
Maybe a better play call, but people are going to second guess any call that doesnt work and praise any that does. Brass balls
I would've kicked it.
But my theory this whole season has been to put off the worst that could happen for as long as possible, so in his shoes I would have taken my chances in overtime.
But that's why I am not a coach, and I didn't think it was wrong to call for it. Once he did, I started wishing hard for it to work.
Going for 2 was obviously correct.
But I think a larger point is how the result exemplifies the interrelationship between execution and play calling. The team executed. Everyone did what they were supposed to do, including Gardner passing to Dileo. What failed was the lack of uncertainty or incorrect certainty on the defense. Uncertainty or just guessing wrong (incorrect certainty), is what creates the window for offensive execution to work. Its either having to cover multiple plays at once or guessing the wrong play that gets a defense in trouble. OSU guessed correctly. They were certain what play was coming. The play call failed before the ball was even snapped.