In Support of Brady's Two Point Call
It was a great choice, but I swear I only saw 3 guys running routes...all on the same side of the field. To me, and I know I didn't get to see a great angle, that was an atrocious playcall for a 2 point conversion. The defense covered that with ease. We needed misdirection or somebody leaking on the back side (which we may have...I couldn't tell but it looked like Fitz stayed put and everyone else blocked).
yea no receivers on the back side of the play.
In what universe has Gardner had time to read the entire field, particularly on a goal line play? I'm fine with the call.
Yes exactly. Love the decision. Hated the playcall. ESPECIALLY after Ohio called a TO after seeing our formation. Dumb dumb dumb to not change the play after that time-out.
I could have support this if we thought we could hurry the snap and catch them off-guard. But after the time-out, I be like....Kick the dang ball and win it in overtime. There was no gurantee we would have won it in OT either.
Everyone in my section wanted OT. Is a loss in OT better than a loss in regulation? I dont know.
No one was on the back side and we've been killing them the whole day on misdirection. After the timeout we needed to show them something completely different that they couldn't call a timeout for. There should be a play like that in reserve. No problems with the decision at all. You control the game and that's all you could ever ask for today. Can't blame that on "execution" though, just wrong play call. A loss is a loss and that means Borges has to go. Somebody has to be held accountable.
Still though, great call to go for two and couldn't be any prouder of my boy's today! I'll admit that I gave up hope before it even started. These men came out and fought for everything we believe in and showed why you should never give up on Michigan. Go Blue!
The second read (fade) looked open to me. If Devin steps up more into the pocket and pumps the first read, nobody from Ohio State is in a position to make a play on the fade.
They were facing zones, they knew they were facing zones, trying to overload the zones was not a bad plan.
Hey guys! I missed the game. How bad did we get blown out?
It's still a loss, Montucky Yooper. One point or 28, it's still a loss.
Really? Are you that big an idiot?
My guess is he thought the Northwestern win was awful as well.
Obviously, losing always sucks. Losing to a hated rival sucks more. But had we been annihilated in this game it could have affected recruiting. As it turned out, the team proved that there is not anywhere near as much distance between these two programs as anyone thought.
If you think that doesn't matter, a lot, then you don't know that much about college football.
nothing to lose really
...except the game.
That was really our only chance at winning the game. No way we win in OT with the way OSU was playing on offense and the fact that our FG kicker looks like a deer in headlights in big moments.
During Ohio's last drive, watching them destroy us with their run, there was no way we would have beat them in OT. They would have run us into the ground.
...watched our O drop 41 (should have been 42) in regulation. Ohio couldn't stop us either. We were at home, had the home crowd...bad call.
It is funny because half the people that liked the call think we have big balls so we went for it...the other half think we went for it because we don't have the balls to take Ohio in OT...which one is it?
It's both. It was a gutsy call and the right one since we couldn't stop them. Our success was on misdirection and fortune that OSU couldn't figure out our play calling. They were straight up mauling our defensive line. They might figure out our offense but we couldn't stop them.
Do you honestly trust Borges with more time?
playing longer than he should on that knee/leg. The combination of us not stopping their run, no reliable kicking and Devin playing on one leg with being one play/3 yards away, seems like a no brainer.
I was FURIOUS at the call and outcome, but after thinking about Gardner's condition I think it makes sense. He may not have made it through a few OTs.
It's both. They are not mutually exclusive.
Extra points looked shitty all game long.
Defense was negligible.
We had no fg kicker.
Our offense was great but not as consistent as theirs.
Schedule weak opponents beat them (albeit just barely) and lose to opponents that matter. If we play close games against them we accept it as a moral victory. As long as we do not get blown out is all that matters.
The right call for the two point is to give DG an option to either hand off, pass or run it himself. To restrict the play to one option really handcuffed him.
Hoke and his staff will not have any excuses next year.
I liked the call. We weren't going to be able to keep up with them in OT. Just bad execution.
The decision was clearly the right call. The play call was pretty atrocious. No way they were going to let dileo sit down on them.
someone wasn't where they were supposed to be. gallon and dileo were next to each other. The three receivers are supposed to form a triangle to spread the defense.
I don't think Borges is the OC we need, but that pay call wasn't something you could necessarily hang on him.
Agreed, it was a rub route that's worked consistently for us in the past. The receivers didn't use each other to obstruct each other's defenders as well as they could, the throw was a bit inside, and also give Ohio's defenders for jumping the route.
As far as the call, I loved it. I loved the fact that Hoke let the seniors decide even more.
I also think Gardner rushed it a bit. I know it's supposed to be a quick throw, but he had a bit more time and I think Gallon could have worked open or a running lane could have presented itself. Can't fault the guy too much though given the rest of the game.
Devin got hit as he threw as it was, and was on the turf before Dileo even landed.
Someone (Spence?) got through the line, and (if DG had a choice in reads) gave him no time to go anywhere else.
Borges has called some fabulous games and some horrible games.I gotta believe during those games he was forced into MANBALL.when allowed to do what he wants, it's pretty Damn good.
With 3 yards to work with why flood a third of the end zone. Misdirection and space are what worked on the previous two TDs - also from short range.
Loved the stones, hated the choice of play call.
Give me a break. It is way too easy to say that in hindsight. You could say that about any play imaginable.
I just wish we went for funchess. The guys is taller than any DB
Wish all you armchair guys would've been calling the play so when the play didn't go as planned we could've listened to you justify why you did what u did.
We saw a different team today than we've seen in a while. If we play our cards right...next year... We control our destiny.
Let's buy a new coordinator. I'm sure he looks really smart next year regardless, right? Every linemen on the team has grown. Learned. Invaluable experience has nothing to do with it, right? Not according to you I'm sure. .
Borgess may have been stubborn early in the year but who's to say brady hoke didn't say "here's the game plan. We stick with it. No questions asked. We have to become who we want yo be eventually". Does making our ultra talented qb learn a new offense in his fifth year make any sense for next year???? I don't think so.
See u next year Al!
I support the decision. Oh well. Helluva game
Love the call.
I had no issue with going for two. That was the right decision. However, staying in the same formation after Ohio State called timeout was stupid.
Absolutely. When I saw Dileo in motion I knew it was doomed. They saw it coming the whole way.
Don't disagree with the 2, just the playcall.
I thought my eyes deceived me, but apparently they did run the same formation. This at least gives me hope for the bowl game.
Yea, when we first lines up after TO, files was left alone by D. That's because they knew he was gonna come back
Love the call. It didn't work but we got to finish the game on our terms
plain and simple
It was the right call
Before the TD. Great effort today!
It was the right call. Our defense couldn't stop them all day. Wouldn't have done anything in OT.
Devin had a bad wheel. Asking him to roll or run on that play is also a bad idea.
...our O was clicking, we were at home against #3 team. Big balls...but I am not putting everything on the line against that D when I can go to OT. How many 2 point conversions have made this year?...on the last play? Respectfully disagree.
Based on your other comments , I think you might not be disagreeing respectfully.
Then u clearly haven't seen me disrespectfully disagree.
An overtime shootout against a team that has 2 players averaging over 8 yards per carry and your only stop of the half was a fumble where Hyde was dragging 4 guys down feild. You have a second string kicker and an injured qb. You are an extreme underdog and 3 yards away from almost certain victory. The extra point gets you into a 50-50 toss-up at best.
Given all the factors you cite, I think Michigan's odds in OT are more in the low double digits. It would have required a mistake on OSU's part and near perfect play on Michigan's.
Anyone who disagrees is being tranparently contrarian for its own annoying sake.
You're a big underdog.
You're at home.
You can't stop their offense.
You go for 2.
Also backup kicker.
Did anyone notice we had over 600 yards in total offense to their 526.
Neither team could spell defense. Without our regular place kicker, probably was the right decision.
Tell that to the people still bitching about the UConn and Akron games.
They do. But you can't argue about how badly Michigan played in those games that Michigan won but then at the same time completely discredit how well Michigan played today because the result was a loss.
...underdog, at home, final seconds...except I would change we can't stop their O to they can't stop our O.*
*except they were able to stop our O...for one play...on the 2 point conversion...in the final secs...with the game in the line.
At least we played almost 2 full halves of football this year.
You don't even need this post. You can take it down.
I agree with you. But I'm presently engaged in a debate on another site with someone who insists its a set-in-stone rule that a team never goes for two at home in that situation. That person then cites the Auburn win over Alabama as proof of that. The two situations not being comparable doesn't seem to matter. It's a cosmic law, I guess.
Thought it was a good call. They'd been having success with the quick, short routes. Ohio defended the play well - I think Brady made the right call.
Should've done a QB draw then and try and let Devin run it in. Oh well. Proud of the boys today. Hell of a game. Sucks to lose but, what the fuck can you do
I like it. Might as well go for it. Dumb play call though. I still think Borges should be shown the door.
Playing with the inexperienced OL we have?
I don't even know how to respond to that.
He also struggled with Iowa and basically did donuts on the 30 yard line against Nebraska.
decisions he's made all year, including last year's OSU game? I know how to respond to that--ludicrous.
Specifically, what I think is that any coach anywhere would have struggled to adjust around so much inexperience on OL and TE's.
And very importantly:
Although the final result hurts today, I can't imagine any recruits wavering b/c of it. An epic massacre, which most expected, may have caused some doubts/second thoughts.
I look forward to seeing what this staff does with these players as they continue to grow.
I think it's already been proven than Borges is a poor OC, and neither one good game, not one bad game, would lead me to a decision of that type. His body of work is poor, I don't think there is any question of that. We have lost to teams where we had superior talent, both last year and this, so the youth excuse (while having some validity in general) evaporates when you look at the body of work, and the terrible games he has called (MSU'12, OSU last year, PSU and Iowa this year, and more).
As an example, I was infuriated with Borges during this game last year, and think beyond question we lost because of the offensive plan and play calling. But I never thought he should lose his job over it. Now I do, and one good game does not in any way make me now think the weight of the evidence shifts in his favor.
An explanation becomes an excuse only if it is invalid. In our case, pointing to the youth on the team is not invalid, it is plainly obvious.
10 of 14, wolverine1987. 10 of 14. Someone around here needs to continue harping on that number as much as necessary until it finally sinks in. 14 scholly OL, 10 with freshmen eligibility. Exactly who is it that you think would not have stuggled with that kind of depth chart? I can't think of anyone.
MSU '12? Really? I thought we won that game. And after Denard had thrown 6 picks vs the other two elite defenses we had faced, was it not a defensible decision to limit the playbook a little bit vs. MSU?
OSU last year - everyone harps on that, "Why did they stop going to Denard?" Has it occurred to you that maybe he re-aggravated his ulner nerve injury? Maybe that had something to do with his fumble?
I'd like to see Borges working with a normal roster, i.e. mostly upperclassmen, before passing judgment. And this is ludicrous?
Again, strong disagree.
up the middle. If Devin pump fakes to Dileo he walks into the end zone
HAD TO. Without our kicker, OT was going to be ugly.
wish it would have turned out.
then it would go down as legendary.
what a game, too bad it had to end.
I would have liked a 5 wide with Butt and Funchess both on the same side but love the decision to go for two.
No way do you not go for it in that situation. Props to the coaches in this one. And the players, of course.
OSU offense could not be stopped. It was the right call. Very proud of how they played today.
Loved the call.
Right call, IMO. We couldn't stop Hyde, and Gardner could hardly f-ing walk. Had to go for the kill shot there.
What many people are fogetting was that Devin was clearly hobbled for most of the 2nd half. He was only going to hold on for so long and Braxton/Hyde just trampled us on their prior drive. Going for the kill shot was pretty clearly the right call there IME
it was good defense too on the play. Just a great game period. I'm just happy they didn't fold. .. Unbelievable effort by Gardner. . .
Bad read by Gardner, the outside was wide open....
A pump fake there likely sees Gallon wide open. He was just starting to make his break.
The problem there is that Gardner got trucked right after he threw it. He might have stepped up though. I would have liked to see them run an option look with a receiver leaking in behind for a jump pass type thing.
Had to go for two there, but do not like staying with the Dileo play after OSU called the timeout.
Perfect decision to go for 2. Good play call before the TO. Bad choice to stay with the same play/formation after OSU had a chance to prepare for it imo.
100% but not sure about the play call - should have at least released a backside TE in case nothing was open.
Biggest problem was probably keeping the same formation after the OSU TO. You know the coaches told them to sit on the short route. They did. We lost.
There was no way they were stopping Hyde in OT. Try for the win there and keep it out of his hands.
You play to win the game. I didn't our chances to win in an OT shoot out, so I'll give Hoke props for going for it.
That was the right thing to do. Michigan had shown no ability to stop OSU. DG was hobbled. Gibbons was out. And how much more pixie dust did the offense have? I love that Hoke went for it.
2-point conversions work 40-50% of the time. Our run defense had been so poor, we were probably less than 50-50 to win in OT.
All day long that was the right call.
Love the call
You can't line up in the same formation that you showed before they took a time out. That was my problem with the call.
About that too. Said the same thing.
98 had time- probably could have run it in
Unfortunately, throwing to a 5'7" guy into double coverage, not so much.
Overtime is at best a 50/50 proposition. I like that he is rolling the dice without screwing around with overtime. Huge game by Devin. Let him try for a 3 yard throw with it all on the line.
Before the play even started. Horrible and costly read...
Great decision to go for it, maybe not the greatest play call but hindsight is 20/20.
Completely 100% in favor of it.
Gardner maybe could have bought a little more time but no complaints. the future is bright.
other choice. M never plays for nor is satisfied with a tie!
Love the call, love that the O-line showed up. Last play didn't go our way that sucks, but they were prepared and played their asses off. I think we're in good hands !!!!
Hate the call. Get Butt in for Williams and spread it out more. Oh well.
Agreed , would rather have seen a roll out with a run pass option to give Devin a chance to extend the play for someone to come open.
other choice. M never plays for nor is satisfied with a tie!
Loved the call. We would not have stopped them in OT. Great game.
other choice. M never plays for nor is satisfied with a tie!
We couldn't stop them, they couldn't stop us, go to OT and take your chances.
Great game by this staff and these players. This outing did nothing to hurt our recruiting, and did worlds to give us all hope and good reason for optimism going forward.
The distance between us and Ohio is officially much less than anyone thought.
I agree dumb call. Someone made a bad decision there
Gardner panicked a little bit. he had the conversion if he'd run or had gallon coming open behind Dileo. And they didn't change the bloody play after Ohio's timeout.
Absolutely the right call though. Loved it.
It was the right call for two and Devon had plenty of reads. Get your head out of your ass and just say we were a good team that didn't convert
I'm not starting a war and I'm not a Borges apologist but he called all the other plays today. 42 points worth. Players played with fire and executed those plays.
I understand the season on a whole was bad and that is an issue for sure.
Props for the British SAS reference. Nevertheless, an apt quote. Hoke showed "onions" today. Absolutely agree with the call.
To go for it.. not the play call
No doubt....had to go for 2. Winning in OT, especially without Gibbons, wasn't gonna happen.
I would have done the same thing. And I think that just showed why we should support Brady Hoke as our head coach. Will do whatever it takes to win. Hope this doesn't mean another year with Borges.
I was telling everyone with me I hope he goes for 2 if they score and was psyched when he did. Once Michigan was within 1 score under 2 minutes I just felt like we were playing with house money. Great game, never felt this good after an OSU loss.
Right call all the way. 16 point underdog with a banged up QB and a way way younger team. Easy call.
I think playing a game like that should come down anyone who is nervous about recruits.
Also and not that this really matters, but playing like that makes Michigan look way more attractive to bowls.
Can't wait to see OSU get hammered by Stanford or FSU. They are no where near the #3 team in the country. Not even close. And most of that team is gone after this year.
Still amazed how that Botched call by the refs on gardner's NON fumble changed the game completely
Absulote right call. Play call was awful though. Can somebody track the success of that bunch formation? I swear it never works.
Pretty sure it's been our most successful formation, but maybe someone wants to go through all the UFR's to find out for sure.
I'd of done it 10/10 times there.
This is The Game. You play to win, not for OT.
Absolutely. Go for the win.
That call you have to roll him out with options that's why hoke and Borges suck
I don't have problem on most BH's call through out the season. The only problem i have is Al Borges' play call in those situation, this 2 pt conversion deisgn plan is a high risk play. no pass/run option. That's also very true for other 4th down call.
...because Gardner couldn't run. It was one thing to have him hobble down the field for a first down when OSU was in man and everyone had turned their backs, but that wasn't going to happen from the three.
Even putting him on the move was a problem, because he was having trouble stopping to set up for the throw.
Hell of a game. Ain't even mad. One of the gutsiest performances I've ever seen. I feel better about the program than I did earlier today.
Season is worth nothing at this point. Why not go for ruining OSUs season on a spiteful call?
Great decision, bad play call. 100% support for call.
I liked the call to go for 2, play call was eh
Love the call! Why not call a play with more than 1 option though! Ughhh Go Blue!!!
With an injured Gardner and Wile in for Gibbons? I think it was the right call. And based on this thread and my Facebook feed, that seems to be the majority opinion.
Shame it didn't work, but it was a hell of a game. This is the best I've felt after a Michigan loss in a long, long time.
It was 100 percent the right call. I was saying we should go for two even before we scored. We were never going to stop OSU again. Brady won we back today . We will be good going forward, and I do believe moral victories are stupid. The kids playd their guts out and we played to win. OSU is very very good on offense. I never want to see Miller or Hyde again.
Hoke made the right call. Devin made a presnap read and was wrong. Great game. Proud of these guys!
Next year when Hyde, Miller, and their O-line are in the NFL we consider kicking the PAT. We couldn't stop them at all and would have lost in OT.
Next year when Hyde, Miller, and their O-line are in the NFL we consider kicking the PAT. We couldn't stop them at all and would have lost in OT.
Exactly. Hyde was our kryptonite today. Without him we really might have won by two touchdowns. Couldn't drag him down.
I think we're all in agreement: right call to go for 2; poor decision to not move into a different formation.
Fortune favors the bold. Unfortunately the bold didn't execute.
Agree with the call, not the play used.
Absolutely a fantastic decision. I was petrified when the offense came back out but it makes me love Hoke even more that as petrified as I was, he had ice water running in his veins. Going into OT the game was going to come down to one play anyway, and it very well might have come down to a field goal by Wile, and he pushed every kick today. The ball was on the three yard line in our hands. Not gonna get a better deciding play than that. All hail Hoke who not only poops gold, but has steel nuts. So proud of our boys, including Borges. Go Blue.
"Last game of the year, can't hold anything back now."
But seriously, that was the right call. Have to try and win the game, because it became clear our defense wasn't going to stop their offense if it went to OT.
Totally support the two point call!
The game had to be decided at some point
Loved it....but again, why not to the super freak TE?
Plus it's a calculated risk. You don't get it, you still have a shot at onside kick.
it was a STUPID call and it cost Michigan the game...STUPID
never plays for, nor is satisfied with a tie. Great Call!
even before we scored. It was the right decision, but th play call was absolutely stupid. Spread them out and give Devin options to throw to the left and right, with the third option to run. No bunch up together on the fucking goal line where one of our guys bumps into a defender and takes himself out of the play forcing Devin to throw into double coverage.
Period. Go blue.
Right time. Not crazy about the play selection, but I would certainly be cheering if it had worked.
Besides, our front 7 wouldn't stop anyone in the OT. Great choice by Hoke.
Worst Call EVER! You cannot do that! Kick the FG, give your team a chance in OT.. Terrible call Hoke.
I 100% support that call. He showed some real sack.
I'm in hoke. I'm sorry I was an asshole but you're my coach. Don't excuse your OC because he showed up one game. Go Blue!
They would've killed us in overtime. we needed to end it right there.
Right game call. Wrong play call.
100% agree with the call to go for 2.
Bad execution. Took balls, Michigan man.
Totally appluad that call and am so proud of how those kids played and how the coaches called the game.
I only wonder where it was all year, but you can't bitch about this game. We almost beat the 3rd ranked team in the country and probably ruined their chances of BCS championship game if Auburn wins. Auburn will most likely jump ohio if they beat bama.
There are always calls during a game that are questionable (going for it instead of the field goal when Wile missed before the TO, 2 point conversion). They really had nothing to lose by going for it. They were huge underdogs and came in a punched the big bully right back.
Proud to be a Michigan fan.
Looking forward to the bowl game.
If the ball comes out a little quicker I think that play works.
I'm not smart enough to question the play call
I think Gallon was going to come open, Gardner just had to get rid of it a second too soon. If you kick and go to OT, then Hyde>gimpy Gardner, so it was a great call. I love that Hoke makes those calls. Nothing to be ashamed of today.
If the ball comes out a little quicker I think that play works.
With Gibby out, our prospects in OT were more iffy.
Agree Gallon and Dileo were too close. Maybe were forced that way by coverage?
Wish it had worked, but our players played a hell of a game just the same. Major props to Hoke for the balls out call, and Devin for another warrior performance.
Good point regarding the kicking situation. This was probably discussed prior to the game starting. If that is the case. I wish the play choice would have been different.
Proud of this team. Nice to have a HC with balls. Didn't go or way but really proud of the team.
Great showing today. The 2 pt call was fine, just did not work. This team showed the potential and talent it has. The defense struggled against Hyde but so has every other defense they faced. I am more sorry for players and coaches the 2 putt did not work, they clearly put everything into this game. Go Blue!
the only call. play to win the game, dont just play not to lose. love it, some onions there. win or lose it on that play, its in your hands ...no last second FG from OSU, nor trying to score with OSU in OT when you dont trust your kicker and your D cannot stop run game (blown up DL all coupled with awful safety play all game long = 300+ yds rushing, and no end in sight in OT. love and respect the call by hoke.....just piss poor play call from the booth....OSU knows youre going to flood gardners strong side and had 5 defenders waiting to handle 3 receivers. nice call by hoke, and suprisingly good game called by borges until that play - big al stayed multiple, played to his teams strengths and kept osu guessing for most part....but they knew exactly what was coming on that PAT. obviously best game all yr for OL and this O finally executed more often overall than it did not and borges not shooting them in foot via predictability was huge part of success....unfortunately the most important call of game was predictable one. entertaining ball game though and they almost beat a far superior squad
I like Hoke but He is NOT a big tme coach...Hes made alot of Bad gambles and they all blow up in his face...Im to the point where I dont really support him as HC..we are so FAR away from being good...405 losses as long as hes in charge
Please feel free to stop watching/cheering/sporting M gear. Hoke is the coach of the team and he is a good one. He will be around for awhile.
There is nobody on the planet who uses the name "Wolvie" unless they are trolling.
Would not have called that in a million year, but I love the Brady going for the win. This team is going to trash somebody in a bowl.
You go for it. We are in 4th place in the division. Who cares?
Fuck all you pussies who say otherwise.
Hoke made the right call! Mucho respect for him and the team! No one was giving us a chance
but since we didn't get it, this one hurts in every ounce of my body and probably will for another 5 years. Fuck my life.
They make pills for that. I take them. They work.
Love the call. Play to win. We saw the other end of this in Happy Valley.
I've been brutal toward Hoke and especially Borges the last few weeks. I completely 100% agree with the call to go for 2. What I don't agree with is the play called. You stack 3 receivers in a 10 foot space and expect them to make the play? It was a very easy play to defend against. Sad this teams regular season had to end with such a horribly called play. They could have gone down in history for stopping the 2 year undefeated buckeyes. instead it ends in questions about the play being called. This should be about the players and in this situation, they showed way more heart than anyone expected of them.
The upside to this whole thing is that such a close win against OSU will hurt OSU's claim of being in the NC game. Now if they come out next game and trounce MSU it won't matter. They come out and barely beat MSU, FSU wins and Bama wins out and it'll be the Criminoles and Tide show.
Good decision. Awful play call. Borges needs to go.
No need to defend this call. The likelihood that we lose in ot is considerably higher than theirs.
It was what I didn't want you to do. So yea. Definitely the right call.
Absolute the right call in that situation. Don't like the fact we came out in the same formation after the TO taken by OSU but it is what it is. fantastic game
If they had converted it, we would be telling this story for years to come!!!
People here saying it showed "Sack" what good does "SACK" do when you lost the game... Terrible call...
Unless they converted, then you'd say genius. You have to take risks in life.
Lack of sack is what lost us the PSU game.
I was screaming and begging for Hoke to go for 2 as soon as we scored that touchdown. The team earned that right to go for the win! They listened all week that they would get destroyed and they came out and played their asses off! What happens if we kick the extra point and tie it and by some chance lose in OT? Then we would have to hear about how Hoke was too passive and should have just went for the win in regulation. And let's not knock Borges for FINALLY giving our offense a chance to show what it can do. I was thinking that the whole game but let's just take this day to appreciate a great game and an even greater effort by those boys in maize and blue! And for all the lows Devin had the last month or so he laid it all on the field today! Proud to say he is the quarterback for the University of Michigan!
Tie at home, win on the road
Got steamrolled by Hyde. Going for the win was the call. Didn't like the play but coaches showed up today.
So everybody here is happy we lost? Great Go Blue! What if we went to OT and there was turnover? You tie at home, it's great to have huge giant balls and lose, great.
You were watching a different game. Or, you have no idea why the "home" rule of thumb exists.
You obviously are a moron. Look up the rules of any sport, you play for the tie at home.
Again.... A goof.
You really think your "magical" philosophy of go for the tie at home was going to stop carlos hyde? I applaud the coaches for using the situation in front of them and going for it.
No. It looks like a team that plays to win!
I like "gimmicks" that are within the rules and give us the best chance to win. If you don't, then you are a goof.
The play call was awful! We let them off the hook, they were clueless how to defend us at that point and all we needed was someone releasing on the backside or Gardner rolling.
Absolutely the right call in that situation. Even I was standing there (at home, having left early to take care of a situation) listening and holding two fingers up. I don't see how you do anything else given the dynamics of that situation. I would have have loved a better outcome, but I think it might be hard to quibble with that.
Right call. Go for the win.
Best call ever, Brady and the team have nothing to lose, if we had a better record then i could see him be more conservative.. Overall going for the kill is to show we are not intimidated by ohio and their hillbilly fans
It's been said a million times already here... but I loved the call to go for two. This is the aggresive coaching we've looked for all year. The play call there not so much. While I'll never feel good after a loss, I think this was as positive as a loss can possibly be.
Bad looking play...thought if Gallon goes to the corner and we throw a fade, we're in.
But when Hyde fumbled I said to my wife, "We score, we go for two to win it." Nice to see that Brady was listening to me :)
Except I said that to my father in law!! I guess Brady heard us both lol... Great call by us
Sadly it's just another loss to these ass-clowns, and this will go down as what, the 9th loss in 10 match-ups to them? God I hate football.
11 of 13. Great effort tho.
Totally in support.
Not so sure about the actual play call. Everyone played a really good game today. No shame in losing that one. It might have cost OSU a shot at a national title.
Heartbreaking to not get it, but it was the right call all the way. Gardner was badly banged up and we were without Gibbons. Overall, that's not a good recipe for overtime. I was surprised Hoke stuck with the 2-pt call after OSU called the time out though. Still the right call - Hoke has guts. I don't think I've ever been more proud of a team in a losing effort - they played their hearts out. The atmosphere around here has been pretty gloomy the past few weeks, but this program has bottomed. Good things are ahead...
Great call by Hoke. Horrible playcall. Why run 3 wr stack on one side of the field?!?! Has that play ever worked all year? Plus, you keep the same playcall after ohio sees the formation and call timeout?! Great game, good playcalls. The last play was "Borgesian". TERRIBLE. NO CHANCE THAT CALL WOULD WORK. Why not throw a fade to Funchess? He freaking 6'7". Is that play even in the playbook? Why Wasn't Butt in the game?
We ran a sort of fade to Gallon ealier and he got a TD. The thing that actually hasn't worked all year is the 3wr stack. I'm no coach, but I fail to see the benefit. You take away half the field as a threat. The guy that made the pick only had to take a single stel as all wrs are right next to each other. Spread the field. Use your big targets like Funchess and Butt at the goalline. That is football 101. It creates a huge mismatch as most corners are about 5'10"
Sorry, horrible decision. I was screaming there's no way they get this before the snap. You play for OT at home, especially when you have lost multiple games this year with the fourth and short play calling. Every one in the stadium knew we would go to Dileo there. Hoke needs to realize that Borges doesn't get that. P.S. Put a headset on and we have another timeout the last drive. The wasted timeouts this year has to be in the double digits
And Ohio stopped M just as many times. Most of Ohio's TDs came on long play break downs, which would be minimized in OT IMO. That's also beside the point. The point is there was no chance Borges calls a successful play there. Given the outcome, I would say I couldn't be more right
You are wrong. If it had worked you'd be the loudest in favor... Hindsight is a security blanket for some. Hoke made the right call, not the easy one. That is why he is our coach.
Fact: M had 5 drives that ended without points. Same as Ohio. If our starting kicker next year cant make that kick we might as well forfeit the season. Even if he misses that 9 out of 10 times those are better odds than Borges calling an effective play there
You are relying entirely on hindsight. Human nature, I know, but still flawed. The entire stadium though we'd go to Butt or Funchess. It didn't work, but it was our best chance to win.
Should've gone to Butt or Funchess! Can we not throw a fade to Funchess for Focks sake?!?! Huge mismatch.
Then you'd be bitching about how predictable it was. Get over yourself and enjoy a classic football game.
Fade to Funchess is not at all predictable. We never run that and I don't know why. He is huge and has a huge verticle. I yell at the tv everyweek hoping we run that. I just don't know why you bunch your only 3 wrs next to each other with no possible deep routes. I hate that bunch formation. It hasn't worked all year.
Wow... You are the next OC... smarter than everyone. We will win championships with you are the helm. You are a God!
They don't pay me almost $1M a year. Look, all I'm saying is that the stack doesn't work and maybe we should throw to out super athletic huge wr and/or te at the goalline. Not exactly a groundbreaking concept. It works in all levels of football.
Enjoy losing? I don't enjoy getting our butts kicked in our home stadium by our biggest rival. Sorry, that's not my favorite thing. I'm glad you enjoyed it. :(
But, we didnt' get our butts kicked at home by our biggest rival.
If you enjoy watching Michigan lose, we just have a very different approach to Michigan football.
Most of the people here are defending the 2pt decision because they say we couldn't keep up with OSU. But you say we didn't get our butts kicked. Weird.
We lost by 1 point. Neither team could stop each other. Didnt get our butt kicked. Not sure what you are talking about.
We lost by 1 point. I don't consider a loss by less than 21 a butt kicking.
You need to get a life if you can't enjoy that game. Truly.
I thoroughly enjoyed that game. The team should be proud. Doesn't make it any less frustrating. Devin hasn't looked off a receiver all year (dont blame him with this OL). I just wish our OC wouldn't put him in a situation that would require him to do so. I also wish our head coach wouldn't expect anything more from his OC. Roll Devin out (and not to the short side without a throw option).
It's not hindsight when I am screaming "there's zero chance they get this" before the play. Every last drive this year has been heavy on dileo. I couldn't believe they went to him so often earlier actually. Maybe that's why they had two guys sitting on dileo's route?
So if everyone thinks it is going to Funchess or Butt doesn't throwing to Dileo make sense?
No! Dileo is clutch but you should throw it to your biggest targets and best athletes at the goalline.
I think if the other team has 2 guys sitting on dileo's route and a third in the area you can assume it was a predictable play call.
By definition it was predictable because it was the same play we called before Ohio called a timeout. Either way the wr stack has had a very low success rate and I really don't understand using it on the goalline if ever.
I was there. I didn't know they were going to dileo. You sir are wrong.
Ha I stand corrected. Still a bad play call. Give devin some options. He's not exactly great at checking down receivers.
According to Lewan, Hoke asked the seniors if they wanted to go for it an they all said YES..
So this was decided by the seniors according to some
I think Lewan is saying stuff here ... Hoke signalled 2 right after the TD, and Lewan would have been on the field at that point. I don't see how Hoke could have polled the seniors -- Lewan included -- at that point.
My guess is Lewan didn't form his comment well ... what he meant to say was that the seniors agree with Hoke's decision; that is, if they'd been asked, they'd have said yes.
Hoke polled them after Meyer called a time out and UM could have changed their decision. That's fact.
I am proud of this team for the way they fought today. Nobody had them being this close in score. Brady Hoke has shown he is the right coach for this team. Win or lose the team the team the team. Our boys can hold their heads high. I can't imagine what the locker room must be like. Thank you seniors.
Support the call 100%. We had a QB one hit from being done and Shane coming in. A placekicker who can only make field goals outside of 50. and a defense that have gotten wrecked by the run all game. Take your chance to win when you have it. The play though. That's the first time all game I saw DG not go through his progressions. He was going to Dileo the whole time. Other than that great game. Hate those motherfuckers with a passion but they played great as well. Go Blue. Fuck Urban Meyer
but I didn't like the call to go for 2. I understand WHY Brady made the decision to go for 2, with Gibbons out, and the D not stopping anyone, but I would have preferred to see an OT where we force Braxton to make a mistake.
I can live with the decision to go for 2, but I didn't like the play call.
I just wish DG would have Waited a few more seconds Gallon would have been open!!! Buch Ohio
Loved the call but not the play . Why not toss it up to Funchess ? Just like the play before !
Non-hindsight perspective: A poll on the liveblog, before the touchdown, showed 80-20 in favor of of going for 2
Count me into that 20%. We were playing just as well, if not better, that game. That TD have us momentum. And Borges is a horrendous short yardage play caller. Going for 2 there is a move weaker teams make. I think that poll is more indicative on fans expectations than whether it was a right call or not (which hindsight shows it was not)
You give your team a CHANCE to win. Running that play you are either a hero or a goat. But I think Brady dod what he wanted to do today. He proved Borges can call a good game when his players execute, and they did execute for the most part today.
Devin played well on all but two plays, so he played VERY WELL. I watched it at home with an OSU that I would have taken to the game and we both agreed OSU's D played terrible today, but Michigan's offense did play well.
I'm not sure what happened, but Michigan wanted this game more than OSU I think. It would have been nice to break that streak. Unfortunately, I think the entire staff come back next year. So it will be much of the same. This was a 'moral victory.' If there is even such a thing.
He gave his team what he felt was the best CHANCE to win. They got to go out there and run a play to get three yards to win the game. Didn't work, but they had a great chance. Especially the way we were moving the ball at will.
I loved the decision to go for two. Not so sure about the play call there. Would've liked to have rolled Devin out and given him the option to run. I don't think OSU threw the ball once the entire second half, and they were getting 15-20 yards per carry.
At that point in the game, I'm not convinced Gardner could have rolled out. He seemed to be limping and hopping around on one leg pretty badly. I wonder if the play calling -- and the decision to avoid OT -- was based in some large part on Gardner's inability to move around?
SIAP, but during a timeout Hoke asked the seniors if he thought they should go for two and they all responded "yes".
Loved the call to go for it, not the play-call. Everyone played an amazing game and we were one play away from destroying the Buckeyes hopes this season.
I guess now we root for Bama.
According to smart football tweet he asked the seniors if they wanted to go for two. Smart call
Absolutely the right decision to go for it!
I'll be really interested to see a breakdown of that play by Brian. I didn't really like the play call either, but I also think it looked like Gallon was gonna come open on the out route. If that's the case, then we can't really be that upset at the call.
At the the end of the day, the failed 2pt conversion was probably due to equal parts playcall, Gardner decision making, and the defense making a good play.
Hard to be disappointed with how the boys played today, but it still hurts to come that close to an epic and historic upset. It would have gone down as possibly the greatest Michigan win over Ohio in history. Instead, all we have is a moral victory.
But I'm proud of the team and that their performance today was able to reunite the fan base, at least for a day. Go Blue!
It was definitely the right call. I know a lot of people made fun of Urban Meyer for going for 2 points early in the year in blow out wins, but it makes the same kind of sense as allowing backups playing time: it's great practice under pressure. I'm not saying it would have made a difference here, but going for 2 points in game situations several times througout the year can't be a bad thing for an offense.
You're a joke. It's called perspective. Have some
The circumstances. Your creating a scenario to fit your weak argument.
Except they did. What makes you think they couldn't do that in OT?
A two-point conversion is not a "gimmick". Sit this one out.
Yeah, or it defines , "trying to win."
And that was the right call. What was gimmicky about it? We played to win and missed it and that sucks but I have no questions about the call.
Agree. Play to win.
Loved the decision but hated the actual play call. Seemed predictable and DG was locked in on 9 the whole time. Gutsy performance by the maize & blue. Left too many plays on the field and lost to the better program.
Field goal kicks were not good so I agree with decision to go for it, but not the play call. Fire Al Borges.
If he were healthy, almost certainly agree. My only regret on that play was not taking the timeout when the play call didn't set up right with that defense.
Two decisions needed to be made: to go AND the playcall.
For this to truly be a confident ballsy coaching decision, Brady HAS to make both.
If anything today's performance just pisses me off more about the other crap game plans and play calls all year.
Agreed. It was still another loss to Ohio. Stats don't mean shit.
The only thing to come out of today is AB saving his job for another year.
I won't comment on the play call, before or after the time out: not sure any of us know all of the dynamics. Given that it is a loss, probably the best outcome possible for recruiting, and I wouldn't have wanted to go a year in between games with a blowout as the final. MSU and Ohio State will be interesting, to say the least.
Finally Borges "executed" a good game plan. Some games he acts like a freshman.
Down 7 in the 3rd quarter do you like that call? I know Wile missed after the whistle, but that doesn't make it right or wrong? If we get 3 there....
( BTW - I liked the call at the time and now, just looking for opinions)
Hmmm, not quite what I meant. How about the 4th down?
Wile's not an accurate kicker; that's why he doesn't kick field goals unless they're out of Gibbons's range. Even his extra points today were pretty scattered, but thankfully they all went through.
Between the fact that we had no FG kicker, no ability to stop their running game, and an injured QB, I think playing for OT was mostly suicide. Sure, we might have gotten lucky and they could have f'ed up on offense with a turnover or penalty. But most likely there were just going to pound in TD after TD after TD and wait for us to mess up.
At least with the 2-point conversion we had about a what? 40% chance of pulling out the game? I think that was higher than our chances in OT.
I'd go with 50%...either we make it or we don't.
About a Hail Mary or a 60 yard field goal...either you get it or you don't. Just because there are two outcomes doesn't make it 50/50. The success rates on conversions are about 42%, I believe.
Buckeye fan here - first of all, great game. I will always, always remember this one. Secondly, I respect the call and think it was a good one. As I watched that drive, I was not so terrified of the inevitable touchdown, but of the possibility of falling behind with just 40 seconds left. I definitely saw it coming - Hoke wasn't going to surge back from 14 down in the 4th to let the opportunity pass. In the end I am obviously glad (but surprised) you didn't convert it but Michigan fans and players should not second guess that call. It was a gutsy call in a gutsy game.
On an unrelated note - without getting into the details of the fight itself, Hall's middle fingers to the crowd were far more embarrassing and objectionable to me. From Buckeye nation, our apologies for that. I was much happier to see one of our players help up Gardner after a takedown in the fourth quarter. It is much more representative of the rivalry.
Paraphrasing Full Metal Jacket -- "Inside every reasonable OSU fan is a Michigan fan trying to get out." :-)
Nice post ... to my eye there are few things better than a hard-fought game with shows of personal generosity like you point out. That's why I think post-game handshakes are a good thing. Not everyone here agrees with that, but I believe it.
Going for 2 was correct, but the play call wasn't. Can't tip your hand and then go back to it. Cost us the game.