so much for that
Super Bowl Open Thread
February 5th, 2012 at 11:07 PM | 
I think Buddy Ryan had a
I think Buddy Ryan had a
February 5th, 2012 at 11:52 PM |
Sounds good at first glance
Sounds good at first glance
Sounds good initially, but there is a "palpably unfair acts" penalty that the officials can call which gives them ultimate discresion over the penalty, up to and including forfeiture or awarding a score. I think in this case, having 18 defenders (especially doing it twice) would definitely qualify. The officials would be free to then put time back on the clock, move the ball up, or whatever.
"The straightest line from A to B is straight: From A to B"
"When you have Denard Robinson, you can have everything"
~George Walden
February 6th, 2012 at 12:07 AM |
It's good intent, but what
It's good intent, but what
It's good intent, but what ref is going to want to make that call? As long as it's not 18 guys, there isn'tr really much a ref can do without getting attacked. I mean time on the clock is easy, just reset it, but how do you decide where to spot the ball?
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
February 5th, 2012 at 10:53 PM |
Frack!
Frack!
Damn you, Welker!!!
Michigan Resurgent? Michigan Resurgent!
The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!
February 5th, 2012 at 10:53 PM |
I hate NFL clock rules.
I hate NFL clock rules.
I hate NFL clock rules. Stopping the clock to move the chains is a lot better.
February 5th, 2012 at 10:53 PM |
Giants Win
Giants Win
Gronk was there to make the catch but he couldn't come up with it. Wow.
Whatcha gonna do, little brother?
February 5th, 2012 at 10:53 PM |
I hate NFL clock rules.
I hate NFL clock rules.
I hate NFL clock rules. Stopping the clock to move the chains is a lot better.
February 5th, 2012 at 10:53 PM |
3 drops screwed Brady. Welker
3 drops screwed Brady. Welker
3 drops screwed Brady. Welker on that earlier drive, and the 2 to start off the GW drive
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
February 5th, 2012 at 10:55 PM |
Giants won that game, but man
Giants won that game, but man
Giants won that game, but man does it feel like the Patriots let them have it. A couple of drops by the Patriot WRs on the last couple of drives killed them.
February 5th, 2012 at 10:55 PM |
So who's watching Luck??
So who's watching Luck??
So who's watching Luck??
Whatcha gonna do, little brother?
February 5th, 2012 at 10:56 PM |
Bottom line for me was
Bottom line for me was
Bottom line for me was mistakes. Both teams played really crappy IMO. But the Giants didn't have to pay for their mistakes (3 fumbles, no turnovers, FG off the upright) and the Patriots did (crucial drops).
For a' that, an' a' that,
Our toils obscure an' a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The man's the gowd for a' that.
Our toils obscure an' a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The man's the gowd for a' that.
February 5th, 2012 at 10:56 PM |
suddenly none of the Pats can catch the ball
suddenly none of the Pats can catch the ball
and the game is over. Oh, wellz.
February 5th, 2012 at 10:57 PM |
The Patriots have to be
The Patriots have to be
The Patriots have to be kicking themselves. So many dropped passes, and they forced the Giants to put the ball on the ground 4 times and came away with none of them.
"People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either being made."
February 5th, 2012 at 10:58 PM |
Eat a dick Wes Welker.
Eat a dick Wes Welker.
Eat a dick Wes Welker.
February 6th, 2012 at 2:33 AM |
Welker did screw the Pats
Welker did screw the Pats
with that big drop, but is it just me or was Brady channeling Denard for a bit in the 2nd half? I saw at least 3 incompletions where he put it behind his receiver. Being that it is Brady, I suppose I can give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was the only open window to get the pass to the receiver.
February 6th, 2012 at 9:24 AM |
channeling Denard
channeling Denard
I thought of Denard on the escape leading to the interception, although Denard seems to complete those plays, and on the two batt-downs at the line of scrimmage. Tom is not tall enough to play in the NFL.
/s
February 5th, 2012 at 10:58 PM |
If I was Brady I would have
If I was Brady I would have
If I was Brady I would have Belichek draft Hemingway. He always comes down with those Jump Balls
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
February 5th, 2012 at 11:02 PM |
My initial thought was that
My initial thought was that
My initial thought was that you meant Ernest Hemingway and I had no clue what the reference was. Toughest riddle ever
"This is Michigan for God sakes" -Brady Hoke
February 5th, 2012 at 11:21 PM |
Come on, man
Come on, man
You should have known instantly who he was talking about.
...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...
February 5th, 2012 at 10:59 PM |
Was the Michigan Health
Was the Michigan Health
Was the Michigan Health System commercial on national tv or is it just a local thing?
"There will be blood on the field and it won't be mine." -KK
February 5th, 2012 at 11:03 PM |
Probably just a local thing,
Probably just a local thing,
Probably just a local thing, they had some Channel 4 commercials on earlier about that missing woman Homicide
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
February 5th, 2012 at 11:21 PM |
Just local.
Just local.
Michigan Health System commercial was not nationwide.
February 5th, 2012 at 10:59 PM |
Fuck sports today
Fuck sports today
Fuck sports today
"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"
February 5th, 2012 at 11:00 PM |
Man if Gronk wouldn't have
Man if Gronk wouldn't have
Man if Gronk wouldn't have slowed down going into that pile he would have caught that ball
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
February 5th, 2012 at 11:05 PM |
12 men on field penalty
12 men on field penalty
If it's only five yards and repeat the down (but they don't put the time back on the clock), why wouldn't every team intentionally play 12 (or 13 or 14) in that situation (other side is out of timeouts, needs to go 50+ yards, and there are only 15 to 30 seconds left)? It's like how Bielema used to go incredibly offsides on kickoffs near the end of the first half, knowing it could run down the clock and prevent the other team from getting the ball (before they changed the rule).
February 5th, 2012 at 11:11 PM |
That's exactly what I was
That's exactly what I was
That's exactly what I was bitching about. It doesn't make any sense - that play took a good 10 seconds off of the clock and obviously there wasn't anyone open when there was an extra man in defensive coverage. Why not put 20 guys on the field and take the 5 yards all day?
February 5th, 2012 at 11:26 PM |
Hmm, interesting
Hmm, interesting
Would the refs stop a play right away if NY had 20 players on the field or would they have to let it run. I suppose that Brady would have just clocked the ball if it was that obvious that there were 20 players on the D. It would have to be 12 because then you probably wouldn't notice. One extra man also doesn't guarantee keeping the O out of the end zone.
...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...
February 5th, 2012 at 11:33 PM |
That's not the point though.
That's not the point though.
That's not the point though. The refs wouldn't be able to call a penalty until the ball was snapped and the play started, since otherwise there would still technically be time for them to get off the field. When the clock is already ticking down this is a huge problem as there's apparently not a clock reset associated with such a penalty. It doesn't literally have to be 20 guys; having any extra in coverage is a huge advantage and there's little to lose when you're only giving up 5 yards with 50+ to go and the clock is a factor.
February 5th, 2012 at 11:42 PM |
Yes
Yes
So he clocks the ball when there are 12 men on the D which results in a 5 yard penalty and maybe 1 second runs off the clock.
...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...
February 5th, 2012 at 11:47 PM |
1) It should not come down to
1) It should not come down to
1) It should not come down to the QB essentially refereeing the game, especially in a hurry-up situation where he's not going to take 5+ seconds to count players (refs job).
2) 1 second is still valuable time and the issue would remain regardless. Again, that should not be necessary when the penalty calls for a replay of the down anyways.
February 5th, 2012 at 11:35 PM |
It doesn't have to be 20, but
It doesn't have to be 20, but
It doesn't have to be 20, but if 12 or 13 guys are running around, the majority of them in the backfield it could be hard for a ref to count. Then the play goes it's only a 5 yard loss while the D get's double coverage on a receiver or an extra safety
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
February 5th, 2012 at 11:43 PM |
Watch for a rule change on
Watch for a rule change on
Watch for a rule change on this one - had never seen it before but had the same thought when it happened. It would be a great penalty to just take again and kill the clock
February 5th, 2012 at 11:10 PM |
The rule makes zero sense.
The rule makes zero sense.
The rule makes zero sense. The Giants traded 10 seconds for 5 yards, which was huge.
February 5th, 2012 at 11:30 PM |
I realized above
I realized above
That Brady could have clocked the ball and spent zero seconds and would have gotten 5 yards, but he would have had to have been aware of the 12th man which is difficult if you're in hurry-up mode.
...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...
February 5th, 2012 at 11:37 PM |
Thank goodness it's a
Thank goodness it's a
Thank goodness it's a 15-yarder in college. That's how we got into FG range for Phil Brabbs's kick against Washington.
February 5th, 2012 at 11:12 PM |
Now THAT
Now THAT
Is one awesome vehicle
BORK BORK BORK
February 6th, 2012 at 12:09 AM |
Quarterbacks that beat the
Quarterbacks that beat the
Quarterbacks that beat the Giants this year: Vince Young, Sex Cannon (twice), Tavaris Jackson/Charlie Whitehurst... yeah ...
February 6th, 2012 at 12:14 AM |
Sex Cannon = Sexy Rexy, if
Sex Cannon = Sexy Rexy, if
Sex Cannon = Sexy Rexy, if you didn't know.
February 6th, 2012 at 12:22 AM |
Quarterback that beat the
Quarterback that beat the
Quarterback that beat the Patriots twice this year: Eli Manning
February 6th, 2012 at 12:19 AM |
Spygate lives on, for better or worse
Spygate lives on, for better or worse
One thing this game will do is add fuel to to the Spygate fire. I was surprised in the last few weeks to hear from both Steelers and Eagles fans how vehemently those teams feel they lost to Belichick because of that...and there are others. Personally I'm skeptical as to how much difference it made but the Patriots have yet to get one since and that will continue to weigh.
February 6th, 2012 at 12:35 AM |
Umm they made the Super Bowl twice after "Spygate" dude
Umm they made the Super Bowl twice after "Spygate" dude
Preeeetty sure your argument is flawed. So you're saying that although Belichick can make it to the Super Bowl no problem, he can't win it unless he's videotaped the other team's defense? C'mon, it's FAR harder to make it to the Super Bowl than to win one game. And they lost mostly due to the Giants' good luck.
"That's right. It's an off-tackle play. It's coming right over you. And there's not a thing you can do about it."
February 6th, 2012 at 1:16 AM |
Preeeety sure you're not
Preeeety sure you're not
Preeeetty sure you're not reading too carefully. Spygate first emerged in regular season games with the Jets, and Pittsburgh was a playoff game within the AFC. No one is saying they aren't really good, and good enough to get to the Super Bowl, but some of the sheen is definitely off the Super Bowl wins...dude.
Also, they were penalized by the NFL for cheating...just an FYI.
The Patriots are a very, very good team, with a great coach and QB, but to date they have not won a Super Bowl that was not tainted by a cheating scandal. They have to live with that until they win another.
February 6th, 2012 at 4:44 AM |
Preeeeeeeeeeeetty sure you still make no sense
Preeeeeeeeeeeetty sure you still make no sense
"Spygate" came out the first game of the 2007 season. After that, they couldn't tape any more team's defenses.
Since then, they have won the AFC East four times and made it to the Super Bowl twice. Clearly they can make do without taping other team's defenses. My point is that if the tapes had really given them that much of an advantage their successes should have been reduced significantly. If it had really been a scandal, the Patriots would have gone from owning the AFC East and making runs in the playoffs to becoming just another average team.
In reality, their successes have not stopped at all. You're basically arguing that the ONLY thing that the taping helped them with was in coming up with miracle, last second wins in the Super Bowl (re. 2001 & 2003). That is just nonsensical.
Their Super Bowl wins are not tainted in the least bit, since they have clearly proven they can win without "spying." The only difference between their first two Super Bowl wins and their last two Super Bowl losses is luck. There is nothing else at work there whatsoever.
"That's right. It's an off-tackle play. It's coming right over you. And there's not a thing you can do about it."
February 6th, 2012 at 1:33 AM |
couldn't resist
couldn't resist
C'mon, it's FAR harder to make it to the Super Bowl than to win one game.
Buffalo Bills fan are sleeping so much better after reading this...thank you...dude
February 6th, 2012 at 4:51 AM |
This is a non sequitur
This is a non sequitur
The fact that it is no comfort to Buffalo Bills fans to know that making it to the Super Bowl is many times harder than winning it does not disprove my argument.
If Belichick can make it to the Super Bowl multiple times with and without taping the other team's defense, he can certainly win it with and without taping the other team's defense; especially since if you look at the actual Super Bowls themselves, they were all basically crapshoots.
If you can't see what I'm saying then there's no point in arguing anymore.
"That's right. It's an off-tackle play. It's coming right over you. And there's not a thing you can do about it."
February 6th, 2012 at 10:30 AM |
I see what you're saying but
I see what you're saying but
I see what you're saying but that wasn't my point. All I said was he hadn't won one since Spygate and that would weigh on him until he did. I also said he was a great coach and personally I didn't think the scandal meant much...but the perception is unavoidable. The analogy to the Bills was simply that yes, actually winning the Super Bowl does mean a lot.
Also, if you made your initial point with less sarcasm it would be easier to listen to. That's an internet thing...you would never have made it that way in person but here everyone can be super clever.
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I think Buddy Ryan had a gameplan like that, saw on like SmartFootball how in Goalline situations he would put an extra 3 LB's on the field, stop them and kill the clock, then go to a regular Goalline D to stop them
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
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