Super Bowl Open Thread
I would rather see the Fab Five over SB anyway.
Pulling for Brady and the Pats. But if the Giants win, I hope it's on a game-winning TD pass to Manningham.
Why no Michigan love?
He must hate Brady Hoke. All alumni hate Brady Hoke, that is why he is losing!
Manningham is not ALL IN and doesn't Get It!
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from Mario? I was watching the Fab Five.
What was up with that Manningham?
I'll bet he does it for this reaction right here...
...some of these posts are ridiculous. People freaking out because a player doesn't say his college when he's in the NFL will always been on of the dumbest things I see/hear.
Harding HS. FU Mario! Brady represents. Lets go Pats!
So did David Baas.
And of course Mario didn't actually graduate from Michigan....
PS: Chart is missing Carson Butler's valuable contributions to the Pats' practice squad. [Of very recent vintage.]
Maybe Mario learned how to make a pipe out of an apple when he was still in high school. If this is the case, I fully understand this move.
Otherwise it is still annoying as fuck. I'd prefer "Fielding Yost's University of Michigan" or some other nonsense over not even mentioning the school at all.
However, in reading your reply, highly embarrassed to notice I typo'ed emphatically above. Too late to correct now.
Of course I'm sure Baas was also showing empathy for those of us who were pissed at Mario, hence his emphatic statement.
That chicks face is way too small for her head.
I wasn't paying attention, what did Manningham do?
In the name/school introduction, he said Mario Manningham, Warren G Harding.
During player introductions, he said his high school instead of Michigan. The only player who didn't say his college.
Thanks for the buzzkill, Ronald McDonald House.
Well, the anthems didn't get fucked up.
Progress, I suppose.
Please be heads....
What are your guys general thoughts on Michaels and Collinsworth?
Both ought to be beaten with shovels.
Al Michaels has been past his prime since about 1988. Cris Collinsworth never had a prime.
I really like Al Michaels mostly for "do you believe in miracles." Chris Collinsworth - not so much.
I don't mind Collingsworth. He has some good takes on the playcalling, and I find him to be far less insufferable than what they usually trot out.
Random question: Is there a reason why college players are not allowed to wear tinted visors? I know Charles Woodson used to wear one and they are still popular in the NFL.
In 1998 the NFL implemented a rule stating that tinted visors are banned from players' facemasks except for medical need. The NCAA implemented a similar rule in 2009.
That's a pretty horrible grounding call. He threw the ball deep, and it looked like he thought Welker was going deep and out. Yeah, it probably was a throw-away, but when he let the ball go it definitely looked like someone was in the vicinity.
That's a dumb rule. So what are you supposed to do in that situation? Just take the sack for the safety anyway? Or throw to the sideline?
Throw it near a receiver, or get outside the tackle box so you can throw it away.
I get why the rule exists, but that throw looked as "legit" as others I've seen toward the sideline they didn't call. Just a dumb call.
It's weird that he didn't just throw it towards the sidelines and out of bounds.
Yes, Brady was throwing it away, but that throw was not any different than a Joe Bauserman pass. I didn't see Bauserman get flagged constantly for intentional grounding.
Wow, that was a fumble too. Patriots are really shooting themselves in the foot.
Carson Butler is also on the Patriots practice squad.
The college kids above me are LOVING this game so far, which makes me laugh because they sure weren't whoofing up the team when they are 7-7.
are the worst commercials. Never interesting. Now that M&M commercial was a classic.
I didn't mind the Chevy apocalypse ad, but that GoDaddy one is just dumb despite having an incredibly attractive women involved.
VW makes good commercials.
Maybe it's because i worked for Chrysler last Summer, but I love the imported from Detroit commercials.
Surprisingly few Peyton mentions so far
That doesn't look anything like The Lorax. It was the character but not the story. I disapprove of Dr. Seuss movies that aren't the animated ones from my childhood.
Teleflora got my attention.
Stupid Sumperbowl squares, how does 9-0 win twice
I know right! I hit on a $100 board. So pissed when I found out I had 9-0, originally. $2500 though! How lucky right?
Your signature has one too many wins for the football team, and the OSU record isn't right either. The MSU record is correct, but for basketball, not football (it's 67-32-5).
I feel like I'm watching a cross between Ben Hur and the Big Lebowski
48 comments through the first half? Need to add a drinking tag, and I have gone with ABC German Alt. Honesty, I am starting to feel that Arbor Brewing is a little overrated.
I'm a big fan of ABC, although it's because there kegs are such a good deal. $100 for a half barrel of a very solid, drinkable IPA means I will defend them to the death.
Actually... that is kinda sweet. Overrated does not equal bad so maybe I will consider them for my next keg...
Drinking a coke here, getting over the flu.
Worst. Halftime. Show. Ever.
I'm eating Thai food and drinking whiskey. Also, I really like Clint Eastwood.
Detroit hell yeah!
That was a, um, weird halftime show. But honestly, I don't know what to expect anymore with halftime shows. At least Madonna is a consumate professional - I'd be annoyed if they brought our Kerry Underwood or Nickelback and asked them to put out a halftime show.
For a moment I thought we were in ancient Rome.
Did not see that coming.
but I enjoyed the halftime show. I'm not even a big pop fan but I did enjoy the production and the blend of Madonna and new. I just felt like it was well put together. On the actual football stuff, Patriots putting together a good drive. Lessgo.
I agree - Madonna looked good out there, and the music was fine.
Of course I'm not much of a fan of usual Super Bowl halftime shows. Enjoyed her incorporating cheerleading and marching band with her Cleopatra vs. the Spartans stuff. (Yes, Sparty. Cleopatra won.) Not much actual singing (from her, I mean), but spectacle to spare. And nice gymastics from football-size people.
Of course she took a few dance courses at Michigan before she dropped out for the wild life.
Brady's en fuego!
I feel like because of Gronk, Hernandez is very overlooked. Dude is an absolute stud.
Wow Brady with another record!
Neither defense looks willing or able to really shut down the other, so this should be a fun second half.
Perfectly clean too, not even close to the helmet
I like the Bud ad with the do you believe in miracles reference
is such a fox
Giants are getting lucky with these turnovers - that's been two fumbles they got back.
Fumble recovery is totally a skill
It's only a skill if it has a rating in NCAA 12 or Madden
Yeah, I feel like the Giants have got a couple nice bounces. The two fumbles and the FG bouncing in off the upright.
And now that's three fumbles that NY hasn't had to pay for
Did I just see NFL try to show Barry Sanders wearing #23?
If only they had Junior Megatron, would have been a TD
That was a stupid throw, Gronk may be good but he can't jump on one leg. Would have been a TD if he didn't underthrow him too
Man, the Giants are INCREDIBLY lucky on these fumbles. At some point that has to go the other way, right?
The heave and pray didn't work out. It didn't work in the AFC Championship game either. Brady's luck hasn't been great so far. As I type, another recovered fumble for the G-Men. All the breaks going their way.
Wow they just keep recovering those fumbles.
Stupid Ferris Bueller commercial is stupid.
and it wasn't even the full commercial...
all over it. Fortunately, it leaves the Jints backed up.
He-man has made it to the superbowl!
Not going to lie - I thought that Act of Valor was the Call of Duty movie I've heard about.
90% of these car commercials are horrible
If Eli wins another Super Bowl I'm done with the NFL. The guy is total goober.
I think people bag on him a bit too much, but he definitely is a beneficiary of a good defense and not having to really carry this team like other QBs. Like, if you gave Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees this defense and the receivers, they'd be putting up great numbers.
If that's the case, you would have been done with the NFL in the 70's, after Bradshaw racked up 4 of them.
He really is a goob. But I'm pretty much done with the NFL (outside of the Lions and following UofM guys) because the officiating is horrendous. It's almost as bad as the NBA, where I only follow the Pistons and the UofM guys.
Manningham definitely should have caught that ball inbounds.
Manningham deserves that play after having his head in his ass in the pregame.
Now the Giants are shooting themselves in the foot. Not nearly as bad as the Pats in the first half, though.
I like how Collinsworth criticized Manningham for not giving enough cushion on the sideline but neglected to point out that Manning through the ball right on the sideline and the safety was right there. Manningham still should have gotten both feet in, but if they runn that route more inside, it's picked off.
Pats finally catch a break in what should have been PI on Moore
lol Giants shooting themselves in the foot you mean like Plaxico.
I definitely enjoyed that Kia commercial but driving a Kia does not make you manly.
Seems like since the first drive the Giants move the ball well until the Pats 30/40 yard line area and finally get stopped. It's like a "bend but don't break" defense is actually kind of working.
Pats have been doing it all season. That's why they're 31st in the league in yards allowed, but 15th in points allowed.
I'm just surprised it's working at the Super Bowl against Eli and the Giants passing attack, it's not like Denver and Baltimore had prolific offenses.
The Giants are dropping like flys.
Didn't really care for the Samsung Galaxy commercial, but I miss the hell out of The Darkness. So good.
They run that play so often, I can't believe it works so well.
gotta haul that in.
I can't believe he dropped it.
Brady's receivers let him down on that drive. Coulda put the game away with a TD
Well if I was a betting man I would say Welker just cost the Pats the game.
Mario makes a huge grab
It all comes down to this drive and maybe a rebuttal
did he fade that one too much also?
That was a great throw by Manning to Manningham.
for the Giants.
Manningham going off on this drive
from MICHIGAN is stealing the show... but I want Brady to win!!!
Maybe the Pats should just let the Giants score a TD
This is dumb. The Giants will just run three times and kick the field goal. Game over, Giants.
you called it
So 1 minute left, 2 timeouts, up by 2 and the ball is on you're Goalline. Man I'm glad I'm only a Armchair QB/Coach
Why wouldn't you just let them score?
He wanted to go down but he couldn't?!
Smart move by the Pats
Big man couldn't stop himself from scoring.
If Brady pulls this off . . . Greatest of All Time.
Make him pay. Then they have to ask Bradshaw, what was going through your head?
That's the right call there. Reminds me of a couple years ago during the Broncos-Packers game when a similar situation popped up.
The Patriots should just let them run it in and score now, so that they have one timeone remaining and start the drive with almost a minute.
Brady is the GOAT if he pulls this off.
Why didn't the Pats let him score on the previous play? They could have saved a timeout.
If Brady completes this.....easily cements him as The Greatest Super Bowl QB
If the Giants just wanted to run the clock why didn't they just take the knee? Seems easier than telling your tail back to just fall over at the one.
CATCH THE DAMN BALL!!
Holy shit.....can't ask for a worse way to start
Patriots WRs are killing this drive. Manning has been bailed out by his WRs while Brady's are killing him.
Like someone else said- they need to draft Big Play Hemingway! or at least some receivers who can catch the ball when the pressure is on.
So uhhh, when do the Pats receivers show up
Wow....those Receivers owe Brady like 5 houses to make up for screwing up that bad
Not dead yet!
30 seconds and 4 downs late
Still in play. Ohlesdoit
Too many men but only nine seconds. Getting crazy. Going to be tough for Brady to pull this out. Two plays or one?
Let's say there are 12 seconds left, team A is up 5 and team B is at their own 20.
Time for 2 plays.
Team B puts out 18 defenders and team A spends 7 seconds getting an incomplete pass (or sack). Penalty, too many men, 5 yards, time is off the clock.
1st and 5 from the 25, only 5 seconds left. Do it again, no gain.
1st and 10 from the 30, no time left on the clock...free play.
Tough to gain 70 yards on that free play.
Unsportsmanlike? Certainly. Win? Likely.
I think Buddy Ryan had a gameplan like that, saw on like SmartFootball how in Goalline situations he would put an extra 3 LB's on the field, stop them and kill the clock, then go to a regular Goalline D to stop them
Sounds good initially, but there is a "palpably unfair acts" penalty that the officials can call which gives them ultimate discresion over the penalty, up to and including forfeiture or awarding a score. I think in this case, having 18 defenders (especially doing it twice) would definitely qualify. The officials would be free to then put time back on the clock, move the ball up, or whatever.
It's good intent, but what ref is going to want to make that call? As long as it's not 18 guys, there isn'tr really much a ref can do without getting attacked. I mean time on the clock is easy, just reset it, but how do you decide where to spot the ball?
Damn you, Welker!!!
I hate NFL clock rules. Stopping the clock to move the chains is a lot better.
Gronk was there to make the catch but he couldn't come up with it. Wow.
I hate NFL clock rules. Stopping the clock to move the chains is a lot better.
3 drops screwed Brady. Welker on that earlier drive, and the 2 to start off the GW drive
Giants won that game, but man does it feel like the Patriots let them have it. A couple of drops by the Patriot WRs on the last couple of drives killed them.
So who's watching Luck??
Bottom line for me was mistakes. Both teams played really crappy IMO. But the Giants didn't have to pay for their mistakes (3 fumbles, no turnovers, FG off the upright) and the Patriots did (crucial drops).
and the game is over. Oh, wellz.
The Patriots have to be kicking themselves. So many dropped passes, and they forced the Giants to put the ball on the ground 4 times and came away with none of them.
Eat a dick Wes Welker.
with that big drop, but is it just me or was Brady channeling Denard for a bit in the 2nd half? I saw at least 3 incompletions where he put it behind his receiver. Being that it is Brady, I suppose I can give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was the only open window to get the pass to the receiver.
I thought of Denard on the escape leading to the interception, although Denard seems to complete those plays, and on the two batt-downs at the line of scrimmage. Tom is not tall enough to play in the NFL.
If I was Brady I would have Belichek draft Hemingway. He always comes down with those Jump Balls
My initial thought was that you meant Ernest Hemingway and I had no clue what the reference was. Toughest riddle ever
You should have known instantly who he was talking about.
Was the Michigan Health System commercial on national tv or is it just a local thing?
Probably just a local thing, they had some Channel 4 commercials on earlier about that missing woman Homicide
Michigan Health System commercial was not nationwide.
Fuck sports today
Man if Gronk wouldn't have slowed down going into that pile he would have caught that ball
If it's only five yards and repeat the down (but they don't put the time back on the clock), why wouldn't every team intentionally play 12 (or 13 or 14) in that situation (other side is out of timeouts, needs to go 50+ yards, and there are only 15 to 30 seconds left)? It's like how Bielema used to go incredibly offsides on kickoffs near the end of the first half, knowing it could run down the clock and prevent the other team from getting the ball (before they changed the rule).
That's exactly what I was bitching about. It doesn't make any sense - that play took a good 10 seconds off of the clock and obviously there wasn't anyone open when there was an extra man in defensive coverage. Why not put 20 guys on the field and take the 5 yards all day?
Would the refs stop a play right away if NY had 20 players on the field or would they have to let it run. I suppose that Brady would have just clocked the ball if it was that obvious that there were 20 players on the D. It would have to be 12 because then you probably wouldn't notice. One extra man also doesn't guarantee keeping the O out of the end zone.
That's not the point though. The refs wouldn't be able to call a penalty until the ball was snapped and the play started, since otherwise there would still technically be time for them to get off the field. When the clock is already ticking down this is a huge problem as there's apparently not a clock reset associated with such a penalty. It doesn't literally have to be 20 guys; having any extra in coverage is a huge advantage and there's little to lose when you're only giving up 5 yards with 50+ to go and the clock is a factor.
So he clocks the ball when there are 12 men on the D which results in a 5 yard penalty and maybe 1 second runs off the clock.
1) It should not come down to the QB essentially refereeing the game, especially in a hurry-up situation where he's not going to take 5+ seconds to count players (refs job).
2) 1 second is still valuable time and the issue would remain regardless. Again, that should not be necessary when the penalty calls for a replay of the down anyways.
It doesn't have to be 20, but if 12 or 13 guys are running around, the majority of them in the backfield it could be hard for a ref to count. Then the play goes it's only a 5 yard loss while the D get's double coverage on a receiver or an extra safety
Watch for a rule change on this one - had never seen it before but had the same thought when it happened. It would be a great penalty to just take again and kill the clock
The rule makes zero sense. The Giants traded 10 seconds for 5 yards, which was huge.
That Brady could have clocked the ball and spent zero seconds and would have gotten 5 yards, but he would have had to have been aware of the 12th man which is difficult if you're in hurry-up mode.
Thank goodness it's a 15-yarder in college. That's how we got into FG range for Phil Brabbs's kick against Washington.
Is one awesome vehicle
Quarterbacks that beat the Giants this year: Vince Young, Sex Cannon (twice), Tavaris Jackson/Charlie Whitehurst... yeah ...
Sex Cannon = Sexy Rexy, if you didn't know.
Quarterback that beat the Patriots twice this year: Eli Manning
One thing this game will do is add fuel to to the Spygate fire. I was surprised in the last few weeks to hear from both Steelers and Eagles fans how vehemently those teams feel they lost to Belichick because of that...and there are others. Personally I'm skeptical as to how much difference it made but the Patriots have yet to get one since and that will continue to weigh.
Preeeetty sure your argument is flawed. So you're saying that although Belichick can make it to the Super Bowl no problem, he can't win it unless he's videotaped the other team's defense? C'mon, it's FAR harder to make it to the Super Bowl than to win one game. And they lost mostly due to the Giants' good luck.
Preeeetty sure you're not reading too carefully. Spygate first emerged in regular season games with the Jets, and Pittsburgh was a playoff game within the AFC. No one is saying they aren't really good, and good enough to get to the Super Bowl, but some of the sheen is definitely off the Super Bowl wins...dude.
Also, they were penalized by the NFL for cheating...just an FYI.
The Patriots are a very, very good team, with a great coach and QB, but to date they have not won a Super Bowl that was not tainted by a cheating scandal. They have to live with that until they win another.
"Spygate" came out the first game of the 2007 season. After that, they couldn't tape any more team's defenses.
Since then, they have won the AFC East four times and made it to the Super Bowl twice. Clearly they can make do without taping other team's defenses. My point is that if the tapes had really given them that much of an advantage their successes should have been reduced significantly. If it had really been a scandal, the Patriots would have gone from owning the AFC East and making runs in the playoffs to becoming just another average team.
In reality, their successes have not stopped at all. You're basically arguing that the ONLY thing that the taping helped them with was in coming up with miracle, last second wins in the Super Bowl (re. 2001 & 2003). That is just nonsensical.
Their Super Bowl wins are not tainted in the least bit, since they have clearly proven they can win without "spying." The only difference between their first two Super Bowl wins and their last two Super Bowl losses is luck. There is nothing else at work there whatsoever.
C'mon, it's FAR harder to make it to the Super Bowl than to win one game.
Buffalo Bills fan are sleeping so much better after reading this...thank you...dude
The fact that it is no comfort to Buffalo Bills fans to know that making it to the Super Bowl is many times harder than winning it does not disprove my argument.
If Belichick can make it to the Super Bowl multiple times with and without taping the other team's defense, he can certainly win it with and without taping the other team's defense; especially since if you look at the actual Super Bowls themselves, they were all basically crapshoots.
If you can't see what I'm saying then there's no point in arguing anymore.
I see what you're saying but that wasn't my point. All I said was he hadn't won one since Spygate and that would weigh on him until he did. I also said he was a great coach and personally I didn't think the scandal meant much...but the perception is unavoidable. The analogy to the Bills was simply that yes, actually winning the Super Bowl does mean a lot.
Also, if you made your initial point with less sarcasm it would be easier to listen to. That's an internet thing...you would never have made it that way in person but here everyone can be super clever.