Summer half-term registration is today
First day of classes is tomorrow. Question for the board: are scholarship players required or encouraged to take classes in the summer half-term? I've seen references to enrollment records of certain players in the past, i.e., "player X is in school as of now".
Sam Webb reported a couple weeks ago that the coaches were telling recruits they had room for 26 in the 2012 class and this board got pretty stirred up about it. Only large attrition would allow for that number and the coaches must have some specific knowledge about kids no longer or not expected to be with the program. I'd think we could know more about that just by seeing who's in school and who's not... anybody know how to find out?
You're not going to see the attrition until after fall camp...........
the attrition more after fall practices and specifically after the season when players can see their role or lack there of.
Let's stop talking about attrition. Thanks.
As long as we aren't mentioning names or speculating on who, I don't see it as a problem. Attrition is a reality and affects our football team, and it is worthy of being discussed (to a point).
I'm friend with one of the long snappers and I think they are encouraged but not required. I don't remember what he told me verbatim.
at Ball State we were told to take summer classes for three reasons:
1) In order to replace bad grades we recieved during the regular school year
2) For the four year student-athletes, sometimes you would need to take summer classes in order to take a lighter load during the season
3) Brady Hoke himself would tell us we had to take a class in order to stay out of trouble.
You played for Hoke? That's pretty sweet.
I took Dr. Potter's Roman Sports class in the summer of '04, along with an American History class and both were loaded with football players. I think they are encouraged to take summer classes as a way to cut down on the load they have to take the fall semester whilst still graduating in four years.
Prof. Potter is a great man and an extraordinary whit. I imagine you enjoyed that class thoroughly.
Yes. It was an excellent class and I learned a lot more than I expected. I was upset that it got drug into the Ann Arbor News expose piece a few years ago because it was significantly more rigorous than the other (American History) course I took that summer.
(Well, rigorous for an LS&A course. Standard engineering snark goes here.)
I have had a question, but haven't wanted to start a new thread to ask it. So this seems like as good a place as any.
My understanding is that you can sign up to 25 a year plus apply up to 3 early entries to the previous year so long as that doesn't put you over 25 for the previous year.
Last year, Michigan signed 23. So this year Michigan could sign 27 provided there was room under the 85 total scholarship limit.
The coaches plan to sign 26 with at least 2 early entries.
My question: So why the greyshirt? If we have room under the 85 limit we can go to 27. We don't need to greyshirt unless we plan on signing 28 or more, right?
But we probably won't have room under the 85 limit. We only have 18 scholarships available right now. Getting to 26 (or 27) is doable but it will likely involve some 5th year players not getting renewed and I'm assuming the coaches will want to limit the number of guys they have to do that with since many are impact players or at positions where we're hurting for depth.
Also, greyshirting Clark would put a year's gap in classes right away between he and Wilson. Assume Clark then redshirts (and Wilson doesn't) and you've got two years difference between the two even though they're both 2012 kids.
It seems that all the attrition will have occurred by the time next years class arrives on campus anyway.
Would they really risk losing Clark to a program that doesn't want to greyshirt just to put two years between Clark and Wilson?
I'm wondering if the greyshirt offer is an indication that the staff plans to go to 28.(or even 30!).
I think all the grey shirt means is they only one one more saftey in this class. they like Clark, but they Like Wilson more. so if they only get Wilson and Clark moves on you another school fine. but if they don't get Wilson Clark becomes the guy to get the saftey. but from the sounds of it we will get both anyway
The greyshrit is not primarily about the 25 person limit in this case. The greyshirt means Clark's scholarship will count towards the 2013 class, and against the 85 limit for 2013. The 2012 class will count against the 85 person limit with everyone up to and including those players for whom 2012 is their last year of eligibility. After the 2012 season, any of those seniors (redshirt or otherwise) who no longer have eligibility will cease to count towards the 85, and Clark's scholarship will begin.
So it is to keep a place open for a player who would be a 5th year senior in 2012?
Basically, we're assuming that our coaching staff won't go all Saban on any guys that are in their standard 4 years of eligibility. That means that there are going to be X number of "sunk" scholarships (those that are true FR-SR), that won't change. That number plus the RS seniors and class of 2012 will get us to 85. To stay at 85 for 2012, the staff could a.) tell Clark, "sorry, no room", b.) deny an additional 5th yr and take Clark for 2012, c.) take Clark for 2012 in the place of another class of 2012 player, or d.) get Clark on campus for fall 2012 in a greyshirt capacity (part time student) and treat him as an early enrolee for 2013.
Edit: the "sunk" scholarship number I'm talking about is after attrition (transfers, injuries, early draft entry, etc.). I, like everyone else here, hope that this is all voluntary and above-board.
good analysis.
could have a break-out year and enter the NFL draft early. Some people just assume that Michigan will ask some 5th year players to not come back, or that players will leave on their own. Everyone needs to remember that there are multiple ways for Michigan to have enough room to sign 26 players.
Some players will transfer out of their own accord, as well. We just don't know who and how many.