Ever heard of the SPACE EMPEROR FROM SPACE Delany??
Stupid Trophy Names!
It's appalling that the trophies didn't represent way more players that played before 1940. Only 5 of 28 names on the player trophies are of players before 1960 -- and the Big Ten is 114 years old. It's entirely appropriate to honor Stagg, who is one of the greatest (if not the greatest) Big Ten coach of all time.
All the hyphenated names suck. Why does the trophy name have to be shared? I dunno, this whole press release needs to be rescinded. I know it won't, even in the face of overwhelming negativity. If they're smart, they trot back out with their tails between their legs and apologize for screwing up.
On a side note, how much do you think this whole endeavor cost? 10 mil? How much of that was spent on a focus group consisting of people who were not currently taking ecstacy?
How much of that was spent on a focus group consisting of people who were not currently taking ecstacy?
The idea of hyphenating the trophy names at all, no natter the names, is stupid and the product of committee groupthink, just like the rest. Next year I'm sure the NFL teams will trying to win the Lombardi/Halas Trophy at the Super Bowl
with the big ten, its either hyphenated names or generic one word names. would you rather reward players with the Grange-Griffin Trophy or the Leadership Trophy? maybe the Rotel-Valveeda (you cant start your big ten championship without our famous caso dip) Trophy
I'd rather they just use one name on the trophy. If they're going to have 18 trophies, that means that they could still have every school represented. The hyphenations are an awkward mouthful.
Ya. someone's name might get left out. So? Deal with it. the idea of not making choices so that everyone is ok is the death of any idea.
Gets the Griese-Brees
Eric Crouch trophy or some other Nebraska namesake.
And Delany kept talking about how the conference now has 18 Heisman winners, he better not think that way about national championships, because the '97 Nebraska shit ain't gonna fly around these parts
did go wrong. Delaney, thanks for fucking up everything that was supposed to be awesome instead we got this lame logo, division name and even lamer trophy names.
off the top of my head, here is a better logo (not great but at least better):
Here are better division names:
The Great Lakes Division & The Midwest Division (they're not necessarily geaographically correct but they're a hell of a lot better than the leaders and legends divisions)
I really couldn't care less about the damn trophy names... so long as none of them are called "the Dre"
Here's my vote for the new logo and division names... Ace and Gary.
Is it too late to send Nebraska back?
I agree the names are pretty lame, although the Griese-Brees QB of the Year trophy has a nice ring to it. Sound like a nickname for an El Camino or something.
Pryor is not happy because he would dominate.
I can't believe that one. I love Griese and all, but he was awful until his senior year - and even as a senior, he was hardly asked to carry the offense (except for the Rose Bowl). I could think of a lot of better choices just at this school.
Unless you're being funny, Bob Griese, not his son.
Yes, Bob makes more sense. I just assumed it was Brian because I thought they wouldn't want two Purdue guys. Weird to have two players from the same team sharing it.
You do realize it's for Bob Griese, not Brian, correct?
Yeah, but why two Purdue QB's?! Now I really hope Notre Dame joins the Big Ten soon so we can get rid of these shitty changes
Both tailbacks are from Wisconsin, too. So the two biggest glamour offensive positions are monopolized by two historically middle-of-the-pack conference programs.
The trophy for best defensive back is "(I forget name)-Woodson". At first glance it seems to be a trophy named after Charles Woodson, but it turns out it some other Woodson from Indiana.
from Purdue, and they probably didn't want to put CWood on two trophies (Nagurski-Woodson Defensive Player of the Year)
That "other" Woodson is Rod Woodson, so that's not too terrible.
And while you might say, "hey, that should be Charles' award", he's too busy being on the best defensive PLAYER trophy, so I think we win.
Yes his name was Rod Woodson. You may have heard of him already.
was a terriffic player. But, when you get a trophy for being the best defensive back and it says Woodson on the trophy, what are you going to think?
They could have just called it the Woodson trophy for both of them.
This reminds me of guys who take their on wife's maiden name and add it to theirs. The dual names just speak PC loud and clear. I know it's tough to pick one but dual names on everything blows. Just pick a name and run with it.
Hayes-Schembechler is pretty badass though
where is the list of other trophies you folks are working off of? I only found the three in the OP from the Detroit News write-up.
Championship Game Trophies
Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy: Amos Alonzo Stagg, Chicago, and Joe Paterno, Penn State
Grange-Griffin Championship Game MVP: Harold Edward (Red) Grange, Illinois, and Archie Griffin, Ohio State
Ford-Kinnick Leadership Award: Gerald R. Ford, Michigan, and Nile Kinnick, Iowa
Dungy-Thompson Humanitarian Award: Tony Dungy, Minnesota, and Anthony Thompson, Indiana
Graham-George Offensive Player of the Year: Otto Graham, Northwestern, and Eddie George, Ohio State
Nagurski-Woodson Defensive Player of the Year: Bronislau (Bronko) Nagurski, Minnesota, and Charles Woodson, Michigan
Hayes-Schembechler Coach of the Year: Wayne Woodrow (Woody) Hayes, Ohio State, and Glenn Edward (Bo) Schembechler, Michigan
Thompson-Randle El Freshman of the Year: Darrell Thompson, Minnesota, and Antwaan Randle El, Indiana
Rimington-Pace Offensive Lineman of the Year: Dave Rimington, Nebraska, and Orlando Pace, Ohio State
Smith-Brown Defensive Lineman of the Year: Charles Aaron (Bubba) Smith, Michigan State, and Courtney Brown, Penn State
Griese-Brees Quarterback of the Year: Bob Griese, Purdue, and Drew Brees, Purdue
Ameche-Dayne Running Back of the Year: Alan Ameche, Wisconsin, and Ron Dayne, Wisconsin
Tatum-Woodson Defensive Back of the Year: Jack Tatum, Ohio State, and Rod Woodson, Purdue
Butkus-Fitzgerald Linebacker of the Year: Dick Butkus, Illinois, and Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern
Richter-Howard Receiver of the Year: Pat Richter, Wisconsin, and Desmond Howard, Michigan
Kwalick-Clark Tight End of the Year: Ted Kwalick, Penn State, and Dallas Clark, Iowa
Bakken-Andersen Kicker of the Year: Jim Bakken, Wisconsin, and Morten Andersen, Michigan State
Eddleman-Fields Punter of the Year: Thomas Dwight (Dike) Eddleman, Illinois, and Brandon Fields, Michigan State
Ah, the memories...Big Dave mowing down Big Ten defensive lines...oh, wait...never mind.
Breakdown of names by school is as follows:
Five Names: Ohio State
Four Names: Michigan, Wisconsin
Three Names: Penn State, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan State, Purdue
Two Names: Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern
One Name: Chicago(!), Nebraska(!)
Guys that never played/coached in the Big Ten:
Dave Rimington, Nebraska (1979-1982) 1981 Big Eight player of the year, no less!
Ted Kwalick, Penn State (1966-1968)
I'm okay with Stagg being on there - he is a legend, and did his coaching in the conference. (Also, the first half of the 20th century is hardly represented otherwise.) But having Rimington and Kwalick in there is just dumb. Sorry Nebraska, but they don't deserve anyone on a list until they actually compete in the league. And PSU gets Courtney Brown and Paterno in there - why did they need another guy?
I have a hard time naming a title trophy after a guy that spent most of his career not in the B10. In fact, he spent several "careers" (tenure wise) of most head coaches coaching outside of the B10. And its just wrong to name an award after someone who is still an active coach. That trophy would have been fine to just have called it the Alonzo Stagg Trophy.
The trophy names are terrible, the division names are terrible, and the logo is worse. Penn State, Nebraska, and Chicago may have history (debatable on some points) but they do not have a Big Ten history. And I believe there was talk about balancing the award names to honor a variety of schools, and then they go and double up Purdue QB's and double up Wisconsin RB's. Not that they aren't deserving individuals (Ameche is new to me) but it doesn't seem to be as balanced as expected. Thank you Delany for blowing this.
Chicago does not have a Big Ten history?? What?
In the wake of everything the Big Ten did wrong today, let's not dump on the one thing that they got right--naming something after Amos Alonzo Stagg.
Of course, it does make the fact that nothing was named after Fielding Yost even more of a travesty.
agree with you 'cept Chicago has 7 Big Ten football championships and is still a member of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation.
They also beat Michigan in what was, effectively, the first National Championship game. Chicago-2 Michigan-0 .
There is a bright side: 2 or the 3 Sparty names are for trophies for best kicker and punter.
I was looking forward to the Woody Hayes Sportsmanship Award
I think I need two Kleenex to mop up my own sarcasm.
Seriously though they need to take the trophies down to one name. If you can't find one name, make it generic and spare us from something stupid that I'm going to have to explain to my mother five times.
Next time use Bounty to wipe out your sarcasm. One ply of Bounty could have cleaned up what 2 boxes of tissues does.
Robinson-Bass Offensive Back of the Year Award
Terrell Pryor - Coulda Woulda Shoulda Trophy
Lewan-Long Donkey Rider of the Year Award
Amos Alonzo Stagg won seven Big Ten titles. Joe Paterno has won three. Meanwhile, Bo and Woody each won 13.
It seems to me that the wrong coaches names are on the Championship Trophy.
being on the coach of the year trophy is likely what kept them off this one... however there are many more deserving coaches than Paterno... personally I like the Fielding H. Yost (10) - Amos Alonzo Stagg (7) Trophy
Paterno is a legend, and while he spent most of his career outside of the BIg Ten, he still is synonymous with the conference and deserves to be on one of the trophies.
Not to say Yost doesn't, but Paterno does too.
but I don't think that alone should get him on this one... besides I'm not a fan of having anything named after an active coach... like in a few years when the Crimson tide will undoubtedly play their home games at Bryant-Denny-Saban stadium even though Saban will still be their coach.... It's dumb.
I have no problem with Paterno's name being on a trophy, it just shouldn't be on the Championship Trophy. Coaching, Sportsmanship, Leadership....or something along those lines would be more appropriate.
The guys who won all those Big Ten Championships should have been on the Conference Championship Trophy. The guys who may have meant the most to coaching as a whole should have been on the coaching Trophy.
While we are debating all this, the Big Ten front office geniuses will be expanding quickly to get rid of this lousy logo and division names and they figure this is the best way to get all our quick and undying support.
Everyone shitting on Stagg's name being put on the Championship Trophy is just showing their complete blindness to the conference's history. The man is there with names like Pop Warner and Fielding Yost in establishing the game of football, and the vast majority of his time and success was at a Big Ten school. Yeah, Chicago hasn't played in the conference since the 40s, but we still count their records and claim their highlights (like Jay Berwanger's inaugural Heisman Trophy). To ignore the school, especially since it is still academically affiliated with the Big Ten (which is a boon to every other Big Ten school since UC is easily the best school in the CIC), would be a shame and I think honoring Stagg is the best way to remember the Monsters of the Midway.
since UC is easily the best school in the CIC)
There is a little school in Ann Arbor that some think is pretty good.
And, yeah, the reason I'm a vocal on this is because I'm a Chicago alum. Go Blue though!
I'm guessing you're a student at UC, too?
It's quite funny hearing people on campus take jabs at football schools and put Chicago on a pedestal because they decided not to be one anymore.
I've attended both schools: anyone who argues that U of C is, all and all, a superior (to ALL the Big Ten schools) institution academically is not wrong - not that quitting Big Ten football made them any better in that regard.
Didn't the whole de-emphasis of athletics coincide with UC deciding they wanted to be a great university and focus on research and faculty instead of, well, football? UC wasn't a particularly incredible school in its first couple decades, and then reinvented the whole structure of the place in the wake of tanking their sports, though I think their football program limped along for about a decade before they pulled the plug.
Comparing UC and Michigan is tricky because they're just entirely different schools. Entirely different dynamics, atmospheres, attitudes, etc. Chicago and Michigan are polar opposites in many ways in their respective approaches.
I thought the OP was joking until I kept reading response after response. The addition of Nebraska was a good thing; everything else since then is so-so.
These trophy names look like the class roster of an Ann Arbor townie preschool.
yes the trophy names and conference division titles are suprising and sickening at the same time, but what shocks me most is that the coach of the year award isn't named the, "Danny Hope". That's some injustice!
The Turner-Boren speed eater of the year award.
Feagin-Koulianos distributor of the year.
Cissoko-Clarette achievement in felonious activity.
Terell-Slocum bomb-ass dick award for the comment of the year.
Edit: Double post. Neg me until I poop skittles. Then you are free to have some.
I want to see the (Chris) Martin - Ward (Pam) trophy for outstanding commentary.
Are you kidding me, Stagg built the B10 and was one of the handful of coaches that can be said to have built college football. I would have put another old-tymey god in there instead of paterno (unless he was actually retiring this year) but that trophy makes a lot of sense. Likewise, Red Grange is one of the truly elite players to have played the game and I must (reluctantly) admit Archie Griffon probably shares the same pantheon (although I think Tod Harmon would have been a better fit there).