Bouje, I don't think you've earned the right to call people out for saying stupid things just yet. Everyone gets to have their own opinion.
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Bouje, I don't think you've earned the right to call people out for saying stupid things just yet. Everyone gets to have their own opinion.
I get called out for saying something stupid. I realize that I've said something stupid. I want it to be the end of the story.
You say that everyone has a right to an opinion well my OPINION is that that guy and everyone that thinks that is an idiot.
I think it's a bit hypocritical for you to say that I cannot call out people for saying stupid shit yet everyone can have an opinion.
You can have sentence A
You can have sentence B
But you cannot have both Sentences together. And frankly I'm getting sick and tired of having to defend myself every time that I say anything.
It's the way you phrase things and the part at the end "Luckily I wasn't drunker or I would have gotten angry" that I don't like. The old alum isn't sold on Rich Rod. Why not talk to him like a human being and ask him why? Why not seek to understand his/her point of view and further enlighten yourself? Why not start a civil debate with the alum?
To just start a post about "stupid things overheard at the game" seems mostly unnecessary and not productive. You just come across as a angry guy/girl that is to fast in putting others down.
about me enlightening them during halftime or the several other times that I talked civilly with them.
This topic was mostly just to see what other stupid things that Michigan "fans" said during the course of the game.
I guess sorry I failed to mention this maybe the pot needs to stop calling the kettle black.
Your use of the word "something" makes it seem like you have only made one stupid comment. I think you should pluralize it.
I heard stupider things from the students than from the blue hairs.
coherent. But what did they say? Regale us with your tales!
Some of it was the drunkards, especially the neon-blue-clad Greeks. However, most of it centered around Sheridan needing to go into the game immediately after the first stalled drive, how Chad Henne never threw interceptions as a freshman, and how the second half was going to be the norm from here on out (especially on defense).
The blue hairs were talking more about how they liked the qb pressure, the turnover battle, and the fact that Sheridan should never see the field again.
ughhh slight tangent here but it pisses me off so much how the councils order us to wear that shirt to the game and it is NEVER maize. Since I was a football fan before I was a Greek, I compromised and wore the shirt to pregame but took it off and wore a maize one to the game.
But OTOH, one of my fellow rebelling Greeks in my seating section is also on teh mgoblag, and we made occasional tacopants comments and refrained from making asses of ourselves.
Lots of my friends were Greek, and most of them were okay people, okay fans.
I have just never understood why the need to feel different than the rest of the student fan population? The excuses I've always heard always center around "recruiting", etc., but I highly doubt that seeing some guy/girl in a shirt that has their letters on it would sway someone to pledge. Just my opinion.
p.s. Tacopants was mentioned by some folks with me in reference to Sheridan's dead-on pass to him to the left side of the field.
According to pre and post recruitment surveys, apparently the most common way freshmen first hear of UM greek life is the shirts... way to go freshmen. So we continue to do it to essentially advertise the system as a whole without violating the sorority council's 43892490304892 recruiting rules. But I agree, I don't get why it has to be for opening day too, you would think first day of classes and other random days would be enough.
Eh, it happens. Oh well. They seemed to be less apparent this year than in years past, but again, I'm out of the student section now (mostly) so I don't pay as much attention to it anymore.
Blue-hair questioning RRod's coaching ability? Everyone gets to have an opinion, but it doesn't mean it won't be stupid.
Might be dumb question, but would you say that Desmond's comments about the locker room being divided, even after Craig James refuted them, was stupid or just sticking by his opinion?
So I cannot form an e-pinion.
One of the hardest things for any human being to do is to admit they are wrong. Admitting it on national TV? Probably not.
Desmond was just trying to justify what he said earlier.
That old alum was just repeating the conventional wisdom that the MSM has been spouting since the start of the season. He'll change his tune soon enough.
Although, I will say that RR's clock management the 2nd half could have been a little better. I can understand getting as many snaps as possible for the 2nd and 3rd string Offense, but would prefer that we let the play clock wind down.
No worries, In Rod We Trust.
You must be a blue hair.
Edit: You must be Lloyd Carr. Just lay on the ball for the 4th quarter. Brilliant!
RR could've thrown on every down in the 2nd half, and I wouldn't have minded.
My point is once you have a healthy lead in the 3rd quarter, it is smart football to let the playclock roll down if the game clock is rolling. Good clock management (tempo) does not equal conservative football (ie Lloydball).
That's not our offense. RR wants to increase the tempo and put added pressure on the defense (and capitalize on a conditioning advantage that we may have) by quickly getting in plays and snapping the ball. Why practice a plodding, let-both-sides-catch-their-breath offense when that's not what we do?
...had we not had two Frosh QBs in their first game, we probably would have gone even faster.
Uptempo is RR's style, and that's good. I hope we go even faster vs NDp.
However, good clock management is not something you do just in the last two minutes of a game. It starts as soon as somebody scores. As the game progresses, there is usually a point where managing the clock becomes more important than managing your opponent. Most people, including many football coaches, don't understand this balance. Lloyd Carr really wasn't all that good at it either.
A former FB coach named John Reed has an excellent book on this subject, called Football Clock Management:
I recommend it.
I don't think you're looking at this from the right perspective. This is not the plodding Mike DeBord offense. For this offense, good clock management means snapping the ball early in the playclock. We want to run more plays than our opponent and make it hard for them to substitute. We're not going to go into a shell as soon as we take the lead. We're going to keep on trying to score. That's the RR philosophy. That's what we need to be working on.
Yes, I understand RR's philosophy. Yes, we SHOULD be uptempo for as long as possible--as I said, we could've been even faster. No, I am not advocating boring, predictable playcalling at any point in the game.
Becoming predictable in playcalling (ie "going into a shell") is not the same thing as going to a slow tempo to manage the clock. The issue is: At what point in the game should I change tempo? In the case of the WMU, we probably should've slowed the tempo in the 4th quarter. Had the game still been in doubt, or if we were behind, then staying uptempo would've been correct.
FWIW We could be no-huddle for the whole game, mass substitute our players in and out, jump in and out of various formations, but allow the play clock to run down whenever we want to (ie when the game is in hand).
I know what you're saying. There is some value in slowing it down at times. But it was the first game of the season. If you want your team to be able to hurry up for four quarters next week against ND, you should work on doing that when you have the chance against WMU - especially when you have backups in the game who haven't been in the game earlier. If you slow the game down right when they first come in, how are they going to be prepared to come in if needed during a close game? Keep the gameplan as normal as possible for as long as possible.
but it was pretty clear in the second half that this game was in hand. Getting as much real time experience for the backups was a good idea. Just running the clock out doesn't really get them up to speed.
I've got a real man of genius behind me. Not old enough to be a blue hair, but whiny enough all the same. A sampling of his work on Saturday:
-Before the game, he bitched that the coaching staff wasn't introduced. (He most likely was planning to boo.)
-Before the opening kickoff, he went ballistic over the fact that we had a couple of starting players on kick coverage. (Heaven forbid that we put actual quality players, who know how to tackle, on a unit that determines field position.)
-On Tate's first TD play, he blurted out, just before Tate threw the pass: "They don't know what they're doing out there!"
-When we scored to go up 21-0 (or maybe 24-0), he drolly commented: "I can't believe how excited we are to have the lead over a MAC team."
-When WMU went on its little drive at the end of the first half, he sighed: "We're giving up too many yards."
-In the third quarter, he lamented that Sheridan's INT "killed our momentum."
-He made the most dreadful shrieking noise - akin to the noise a rabbit makes right before it dies - when WMU completed that long pass.
-At the end of the game, he made fun of Cone. WTF?
He'll be here all season!
Is that I think this is the only week I sit in that row all season.
Yeah those were all pretty bad. Good luck try not to go insane!
At what point do you turn around and tell him to STFU!? You have a lot of patience my friend. +1
I tried the movie-theater look back on him. No dice. Next week I may need to say something.
... or you will put your fist in his face. That is the type of blue hair I cannot stand. +1 to you. +100 if you tell him that next week.
I would be willing to bet that guy has not played a single down of organized football at any level.
do these people call themselves UM fans and spend money on tickets that could go to an actual fan?
It seems to me that there is some contingent of the M fan base that is happiest when it is unhappy.
I know that all fan bases have some form or another of this, but does anyone else feel like perhaps M's longstanding run of relative success has bred perhaps a larger percentage of them within our ranks?
Seriously? You are in the stadium on a beautiful day, your team is/has made a pretty large statement about the state of the program and all this guy can do is piss and moan? And I have read so many stories like this one that it makes me think it is more common for M fans than for most.
How do we get rid of them? Is there a special shampoo or something we can use?
I suggested in another thread that we, nicely, confront boo-ers and their ilk and ask them why they are in the stadium if they aren't going to be supportive?
Maybe this should apply to curmudgeons as well? If people around him indicate that his negative attitude is really a drag on those nearby and their enjoyment of the game, maybe he will realize that the majority of people do not share his opinions and don't want to hear his puking and mewling all season?
Worth a try.
One thing that did shut the guy up for awhile (besides our good play) was the "Rich Rod-ri-guez" chant. Most of the people in our section picked it up. We may want to keep chanting that this season. The peer pressure of the chant may intimidate some of them into silence.
We should move Shoelace from QB to RB or SR.
kick off and/or punt return. That would be interesting.
The first play he was in on the field was at slot, and he took the ball as a hand off like a RB.
I'm an old FB, but not as old as the guy behind me. He was complaining about #6 (he did not know it was Donovan Warren) "mixing it up" and continued to complain when #6 (Je'Ron Stokes) "was mixing it up" - blissfully unaware that they were two different people and playing on opposite sides of the ball.
I had the people behind me yelling at 31-0 in the second half that WMU had to take out Hiller, because he's a bum and they couldn't salvage a win with him in there. Earlier when it was freshly 14-0, they were praying for Tate to throw a pick at michigan's 20 to "even things up a bit". They were Michigan fans though. Weird.
Also Rich Rod can coach. That's not debateable or something you can have an opinion refuting without being ignorant. He's a very good coach based on all the evidence. You get to debate whether he's better than very good, and how much better. It isn't my opinion that USC can't win games. I can't have that opinion without being ignorant. Because of evidence.
Those folks had money on Western, I assume.
Bouje you had a great opportunity to point the poor ignoramus to this here blog where he could enlighten himself. I have had the pleasure of watching you sharpen your debating skills to a razor sharp edge over just a few months. We need to educate the masses not just the blue hairs.
ps nobody likes an angry drunk
when they have no idea what the internet is. Then I'd have to explain that the internet is a series of tubes and sometimes (like during practice-gate) when too many people are trying to dump too much stuff into the tubes at the same time they get clogged up!
That was actually pretty funny. Is that your Grandpappy?
I guess I'd better read the qual. for being negged again because obviously I don't get it.
No matter what you say anymore, even if it's quality or funny, the negg-ing inevitably follows. I don't get it.
but after watching the bouje carnival for the last month or so, I've come to the following conclusions on the standard course of events:
1) bouje says something which could be constructive criticism, but he says it in a less than ideal way.
2) bouje then defends himself. Fine.
3) bouje then whines about getting negged. At this point I start getting annoyed.
4) bouje presses the argument further and usually says something that is logically problematic.
5) bouje repents and everyone starts throwing points at him.
She was not actually at the game, nor do I consider my Mom a bluehair.....but after a summer of having her puncuate every UM football conversation with 'now we're stuck with rodriguez and have no idea whats going to happen.'.......the first words out of her mouth when she picked up the phone when I called her afterwards was not hello, but rather a genuine schoolgirl crush like exclamation of "I love Shoelace!"
To quote, uh, Tracy Chapman: Finally the tables have started turn, we're talking about a Revolution.
Stupidest thing I heard all day was said by me: "We are going to win a national championship"
It is a tradition of sorts for me to make this prediction after two or three plays. Makes me happy on the inside, even if it is stupid.
I'll agree 100%.
(Disclaimer, I have been guilty of this recently in reference to the 'blue-hairs', so I am adminishing myself as well)
We support the same team, we are on the same side.
Not every 'blue-hair' is an ignorant, anti-RR, 'down in front' type.
Not everyone under 25 is a newbie, drunk frat guy who spouts off without any knoeledge of past history and tradition.
Some people say stupid things, no matter what.
My suggestion in this case, instead of biting your tongue, politely inform said person that perhaps running up the score with starters on the field isn't the best coaching move and that seasoning some players on the depth chart, or trying a few new formations/looks will be more beneficial than an extra touchdown. We will likely need to depend on some of those players at some point this season. Aren't we glad we have some idea of what Floyd is capable of right now than having to drop him out there with no idea and get burned in the ND game?
Educate people, nicely, when they say stuff like this, if at all possible.
All I heard was a lot of, "SIT DOWN!"
To which I replied with a lot of "STAND UP!" and turned back around to watch.
I heard someone say that bouje was cool. What an uninformed loser!
Just looking over your blog.
Please explain Tacopants more in depth.
"My hair wasn't supposed to turn this color. Hair Club for Men sucks!"
Ok, that was pretty stupid, but by me.
there was an old-timer sitting in front of me who, after seeing the amazing catch by Koger, said, "I thought Mario Manningham was already gone".
Today I heard from someone that they didn't like Rich Rod b/c they heard he is a womanizer. I am just amazed at how far this has gone. I think they will confuse him w/ A-Rod next and say he is on steroids. Anyway, I told them it can't be true b/c the Detroit paper hasn't written it yet.
I can't wait for Saturday's coach’s intro and the return of the "Rich Rod-ri-guez" chant.
A guy behind me said "Tate looks really slow". I mean he's no Denard Robinson, but he definately isn't slow and never looked slow to me.
edit: also early in the game, a couple wmu were sitting like 3 seats away from me in the next row, and a couple michigan fans turned around, said something, wasn't like osu taunting, pretty harmless actually, but the guy freaks out and goes "HEY TURN AROUND AND SHUT UP". a lady right in front of me says to the michigan fan "respect is the name of the game". i almost said "well maybe they shoulda shut up in the first place!" look we don't have to be osu classless, but a little taunting is ok for pete's sake. i mean, after wmu finally scored, i yelled "but they still suck!"
You know what? As folks get older, and have had high level/tech careers like a Mich degree gets them, they tend to relate the decisions on the field to business. In business, the decisions and personalty of the CEO are what really counts. Thus, they zero in on RichRod as the team.
You know what? I don't blame them. They also get to enjoy the game, they earned it.
I resent the broad sweeping generalizations being made by everyone over 40 by some people on this site. I am lucky to be a product of a a long line of UM Graduates. My Parents put My Older Sister Myself and younger Brother through the UM simultaneously. My late Uncle was very involved in fundraising, and overall Alumni activities. Many of my parents friends, aunt and uncle friends, and my late Principal were/are "Older" UM fans.
Sometimes I got sick of hearing my Uncle's Opinion, or my late High School Principal's Opinion. However, I would love to have another opportunity to chat UM Football with either of them any time.
I just think of all the benefits that have been bestowed upon me and my family, by the older generation of UM fans. I am extremely grateful and think maybe we should cut some of them some slack. I think some of them, perhaps not all of them, have earned it.
Walking in, some guy behind me who did qualify as a bluehair said "this place looks like a prison. I guess that's what you get with a banker in charge."
What I don't get is how much effort it takes to get some people off their ass and making noise. Its like they are pacing themselves or something. Not all are old. Some seem to be there out of a sense of obligation and don't even look to be enjoying themselves.
The woman next to be who was significantly older than my 43 years, was up and making noise all game. The student section was awesome--if only the whole place were like that, no one would want to play against us in the big house. I came away convinced that the noise issue is not architectual but cultural. The place can get loud but for some reason, the place has a hard time sustaining it.
There was a woman (around 40/50) who was behind me all game who was standing up (maybe it's just because I would stand up) and high fiving me and everything after good plays.
My Dad is a "blue hair" (I guess technically a gray hair) and we both made tons of noise all game long.
Nobody around me knew who Coner! was.
That and the guy in front of me turned around and asked if I was able to control my All In towel.... I told him even I wasn't sure what the towel was capable of.
I had a guy yell at me to sit down in the 1st quarter. I turned to him and said, hey, tell the other 12,000 in this section to sit down first. He said that "they were with me" and I should tell them to sit down. I laughed.