The more prominent the student section and the more it contributes to the atmosphere, the more they can charge for other tickets since the experience is greater. Not enough to make up the difference, but some.
Student Section going GA
Or we could save about a half a million dollars and hire the Lords of Gravity to do their trampoline slam-dunk halftime show.
More students need to be like Lloyd Brady.
The dumbest thing about this idea is that it won't do a damn thing for getting people to show up early. The drunk sophomore sorority girl who comes 20 mnutes late the game isn't suddenty going to suddenly discover a new love for Michigan football and be super concerned about getting a seat close to the field. The people show up late are the people who don't care much about football. Having GA seating isn't going to make them care more about football. I guarantee you we will see the exact same problems.
I agree that the some of the same problems aren't going to be rectified, but we also don't know to what end DB is working towards here.
If it's to fill the student section to capacity quicker, yes GA helps that. More people who care about the game but may not feel inclined to get to the game early in previous years are more inclined to get the game earlier to get seats. No more 40% filled student sections at kickoff.
If it's to completely fill the student section, no GA won't necessarily help that. Like you said, not everyone is going to automatically make it to the game on time. Some people may not even show up because they're so late. Some student ticketholders who were "eh" about the games before are still going to be "eh" now.
Part of me thinks that DB wants to see the student section fill up quickly with those students who actually show up for the games, just as every other seat does, and then see if the remaining students actually fill the entire section. If not, make the student section smaller. There are students who don't really care about football, you say? Great. Give their tickets to alumni and friends that do.
I'd be fine with cutting the student section. It's been about 3k too big for years.
I like this for a couple of reasons that benefit me personally.
1. Ticketholders driving in from Flint and Dearborn who probably weren't going to get totally hammered can be rewarded for already driving in early to find a parking spot.
2. Isolated single tickets like mine are more useful as GA than they were previously, as it's easier to hook up with friends already down there or plan something on the fly. It's also theoretically easier to sell off a ticket for a game I can't get to.
As much as I thought I'd hate the GA tickets for Hockey last year, it didn't affect me simply because I was getting there an hour before puck drop anyway. The tickets tied to our m-card was the more irritating part of that change.
What an arrogant, bitter old asshole with an enormous Napoleon complex.
You have no idea who I am or what I do, but sure, I'm entitled. Your hiring process must be hilarious.
I show plenty of deference to people with experience, but usually, their pearls of wisdom are a little more sophisticated than labeling an entire group of people "whiny little bitches."
You sound like a prick in, like, all of your posts.
Yup, only the current generation has jerks and idiots. Can't think of any in the past...
I realize it's become quite popular among middle-aged men to bag on younger generations in an effort to assert fake superiority, but if you're going to be a douchebag, at least bring some facts to the table.
You graduated in 2000, a year that saw a 31-year low for unemployment, and your generation responded by leaving us the biggest pile of economic shit in about 80 years. But hey, that's nothing compared to the revolution of anti-anxiety drugs, right!? Oh wait, Xanax has been around since the 1970s. You couldn't even get that one right.
"The millenial generation is the first to use it as a crutch when the slightest stress occurs." Any source for this claim, or is this just another one of your own brilliant insights? Hey, while your searching, you can also look up what generation you're a part of.
Yes, this article is about the overdiagnoses of GAD. It doesn't say anything about Xanax, and it doesn't say anything about younger generations.
I'm not even trying to be a dick, but are you actually reading the articles that you're posting? The above article is about how children and adolescents are becoming more anxious and depressed despite unchanged diagnostic criteria. It in no way supports your argument that young Americans are increasingly "taking the easy way out" or using xanax as "a crutch when the slightest stress occurs." If anything, the article directly contradicts your claim by asserting that young people are legitimately enduring more anxiety and depression and that there may be socially explainable reasons.
It seems like you just have a problem with the diagnostic criteria. I'm not sure how that can be blamed on the people being diagnosed. Finally, this article isn't even a comparative analysis. It says nothing about the rates of diagnosis in people of your generation.
As a Syracuse student (yeah, the Final Four was hell for me) I have to say general admission is the way to go, shitty fans get shitty seats for the most part and people who actually want to get great seats earn them by getting there early.
Man, some of the doomsday scenarios being suggested are quite hysterical. Nobody's going to be camping out for a fortnight for anything. Come on.
However, I don't think the AD has thought this through entirely, as no details were given on how gameday is going to work. I suppose they have some time to figure this out, but just letting it be anarchy outside the gates until 10 AM while the stadium staff looks on through the fence is going to backfire too. I would personally prefer "blocks" of GA sections assigned by seniority to give people a slightly better chance of going where they want to go rather than just letting every student in at once.
The people who want to be in the 5th row in 2013 are the exact same people who wanted it in 2012. They were already there at 10 AM.
Also, to complete a thought I had started about Hockey, the worst offense to the "premium" section at Yost was not GA tickets (we were all there early anyway) or the M-Card (which was silly and just made transferring tickets more cumbersome), but rather the elimination of about 4 rows worth of space in the section to be given to... nobody. It would have been moderately less annoying had they put wheelchair seating or even super rich jerks there, but they carved out a huge chunk of the section and stuck 3 folding chairs in it for the American Red Cross volunteers. No offense to those guys, but what the hell?
They actually did this for the Final Four games this year. Student seating was general admission, but it had blocks of seating. There were plenty of problems with how it worked, but those were more administrative. I think this system would work much better than the currently proposed one. Most people still get there early and they can move around within their area
Was AWFUL. Had my front row seat become 4th row after a bunch of guys jumped in front of it cause there was space. Intoxicated and all, they refused to move and security wouldn't kick them out.
Entitled students is the problem here, and a GA policy isn't going to fix that.
They were students in Group E who went to no more than 7 basketball games, so they should've been in the way back. What's keeping that from happening again?
Going to happen whether you have full general admission or sectioned general admission, but at least you would be guaranteed to be in the front portion. It's going to be complete chaos
They should make it all GA so the stodgy old grandpas who contribute nothing to the game atmosphere can't just waltz in from their RVs 10 mins before kickoff.
Actually, this demographic might just be MGoBlog seeing these comments.
Are we going from "Some students are showing up late" to "Many students aren't even coming because fuck these prices and general admission". Face it. It's still college. Not everyone is a football fan. Many just go for the tailgates and wander on to the game.
...and your description of the problem suggests the solution. The solution is not General Admission.
The solution is to cut down sharply on the number of student tickets, until we see the student sections filling up entirely and on time with hard-core supporters. Make tickets expensive enough that no student would let one go unused. Keep assigned seating, and enforce that assigned seating.
And (I'd like to think that this is technologically possible) award student-seating priority based upon how early each ticket is processed into the Stadium. So if you want the best seats (Section 25; lower rows if that is what you want; etc.) you earn that priority by showing up early for all of the home games in the previous season.
this thread has desolved into a convo b/t Drunk Uncle and The Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With at a party.
Which one do I get to be?
You know, it's ridiculous that people are paying just to be on the WAITING LIST for season tickets. And students aren't even showing up.....when they have season tix at a discount price....
Since there's so much opposition to either have all assigned seats or having all GA
Isn't the best solution is look at what other schools did?
As mentioned earlier in this thread, there are examples of Wisconsin, Alabama and Penn State, where seniority/credits/contribution to the University (e.g. glee club/ other athletic teams, volunteers, student organizations) determine the section, or the ability to choose the section, for the student.
On the other hand, within that block (say 20-30 rows), then you have GA within that section.
There are multiple downsides with a full GA, and a few posters of this thread act like going full GA will solve everything and "punish those entitled students".
Isn't it better if we can combine a point system (e.g. MCard swipe to track attendance/time), with other factors (credits, class standing, being a member of glee club/solar car team/swimming team etc) to let students choose which block they want to apply for when they buy tickets.
Then go GA for those sections when they arrive?
(In addition, this rewards the students by their contribution, in that they might prefer a seat more towards end zone/midfield, where full GA have no control of that. Some might prefer to get a seat in the first few rows at the corner to interact with players after a victory, others might prefer a good view from rows 30-50 closer to midfield. A full GA, or assigned seats, does not offer that flexibility)
Then say 15 minutes before/after kickoff, if a certain block is not full, maybe an usher can hold up a sign to indicate to other students ppl are free to move to that block?
I know there are flaws to everything and 'm just throwing ideas out there, and it does take more resources to get a system in place. But at least this can eliminate the early lining up problem stated by some here, for a full GA, and also preserving some sort of seniority and recognizing student contributions on campus. But it also ensures people have to get there early to get a good seat within their block, or risk losing their assigned block if they are like 15 minutes late (or whatever cutoff time is for ppl to move freely between blocks). This makes sure within say 10 minutes of kickoff, all the “good seats” should be filled up, and people who do care, will show up early, avoiding the disastrous scenarios that we saw in the pictures with 30-50% empty.
i still think this is much better than the current debate of having all assigned seats, or acting like Full GA is the solution (if it is, try doing it for the entire stadium, like the spring game - o right, even that the recruits/parents and other VIP get a better section)
Its funny how time changes us. When I was younger I would have probably been upset by this, but now that I'm 30 I'm completely in support of it. It's embarrassing to have the student section that empty at the beginning of the game.
prices have jumped nearly 50%, but I think I understand their reasoning. Raising the prices should reduce the number of students purchasing tickets. Assuming students place more importance on things they enjoy, the more dedicated student fans will purchase tickets at a higher percentage than the lesser student fans. A smaller student section that is packed is better than a large one with empty seats. Then the seats freed up by lack of student demand can be sold at full price in those four game packs. I don't have a problem with this.
the majority of whom are spending their waking hours partying on their parents' dime while driving the Escalade their daddy bought them will still be able to buy tickets... whereas the "pulled themselves up by their bootstraps working their way through college" cohort will be left to pay for the jacked up tab by themselves
The student section has been de facto GA going back as far as I can remember. Making it de jure GA doesn't seem to be all that big a deal.
What happens to them?
Honestly, we're going to see the upper portions of each section empty, with the few last row fanatics sitting up in Row 92 (or whatever it is), and a whole lotta space in between.
The problem I see is that a certain percentage of students miss a game. If it's 15% or 20%, how does the AD determine that student can't buy tickets the following year?
As stated, this may fill the first few rows (10-15) by kick-off, with mostly full up to the portals at the same time, but virtually empty above them.
To my mind, football Saturdays are a significant part of the college student experience, and every student should/will get the opportunity to buy tickets. Maybe the raised prices will cull the fence sitter from ordering tickets. Who knows...
Finally, it'll be interesting to see what comes into the email from the AD in late July, when they finally know how many non-renewals took place. I'm expecting there will be season ticket packages avaialable at that time.
1. people who are completely unaffected by it (i.e. most of the people on this blog)
2. students who didn't try to get in line early for the Ohio bball game this year
But see I think you're wrong when you say that alumns are "unaffected by it". Seeing the student section half full is goddamn embarrasing and it bothers the hell out of me to shell out big bucks for my annual "donation" so I can then shell out bigh bucks for tickets, drive three hours one way from Cleveland and back again only to realize that the people who only have to drag their ass in from West Quad and practically get the seats for free cant seem to make it on time. And if bothers me more that those same students, because they ARE young and loud and enthusiastic dont realize what a tremendous positve influence they can have on the team and when they blow games off. It still gives me chills when I think about Kovacs last year during the coin flip at the Northwestern game when he pointed down at the student section and said "we want to play down there".
Everyone in the fucking building knew why. Damn it....show up and help them!
Good job mGrowOld.
Let's see, we have on the one hand, a mild psychological discomfort experienced by alums who have to look at a partly empty student section for the first half of the 1st quarter of the Purdue/Illinois games (note: the student section was packed well before kickoff for UTL, Ohio 2011, and MSU 2012). Oh dear, the horror!
In order to spare yourself the unspeakable tragedy of having to look such an abomination, you believe it's righteous and just to say "sucks to be you!" to all the rising seniors who showed up on time to every game over the past three years (and had lousy endzone seats for the first two) and force them to have to arrive to the stadium at the crack of down and wait 6+ hours to be able to get sideline seats, not to mention having to deal with assholes and line cutters.
Perhaps since you feel so strongly about the siutation you'd be willing to forego your tailgating traditions and join in line at 5:00am. We can stand and chat about how awful that 1/4 empty student section looked for the next six hours.
Yes, I realize alumns have to dish out cash to get tickets whereas students get them at a discount (actually our discount is much less than the one you got - we now pay over $42 per game). But this is how it has worked for decades. You got to take advantage of it during your four years here, and now you're saying that today's crop of students, even the ones who show up an hour early to every game, shouldn't be allowed to have the Michigan gameday experience without waiting in line for 6 hours?
For those of you scoffing at the possiblity that students will have to arrive 6+ hours early to get those row 30, section 26 seats for the big games... how can you possibly argue that that's not going to happen? Like I have mentioned dozens of times, at the Ohio bball game this year I arrived at Crisler at 4:20pm (for a 9:00pm game) in 30 degree weather (snowing), and yet there were still 1500-2000 people who were already there. I'd say it's a pretty good estimate to say that there are 5x as many student football ticket holders (probably more actually) than bball season ticket holders, so it's just math. There WILL be over 10,000 people in line for the Ohio game at 8:00am.
Please put yourself in my situation and ask yourself how you'd feel if suddenly your senior year you were put in this situation.
That's just not true....
Apparently it's a problem at big, non-early games too.
For the 3:30 p.m. kickoff against Michigan State on Oct. 20, there were 3,500 no-shows, Brandon said. And, another 1,000 students came in and validated their tickets to re-sell, bringing the total to 4,500 no-shows.r
And it showed.
Without even getting into basketball, which had a lot of the same problems. There might have been a line for Ohio State, but for games like Arkansas there were multiple student sections empty at the top.
The question is- would you even have a problem with this if you WEREN'T a senior?
How can you use attendance numbers from last year's football season to tell us what it going to happen in an entirely different season and under an entirely different ticket system? The point he was trying to make was that a TON of people are going to have to spend a TON of their time waiting, when they would have shown up on time.
And just an fyi. The Arkansas bball game was not filled, but there were still a bunch of students that were there hours early. These are your loyal fans that are spending that time waiting and NOT the people who don't show up. So who gets hurt? I think you can make a strong case the people that suffer the most are those that wait all that time
That wasn't true. And that's why I can use last year's info.
And yes, there were students in the bottom section. There was also three sections in the upper deck for students that had a total of ten people in them. And I'd say the people who are really hurt are not the people who waited for good seats for Arkansas, but those who wanted to buy tickets and go to the game, but couldn't because it was sold out but littered with empty seats.
considering the average was purported to be somewhere around 5000. If that's the case then it seems the problem is mostly due to some cohort of ~3500 students who just don't show up to any games at all. i'd say there's a pretty simple solution to that. don't let them get tickets the next year.
as for the bball games...here is a picture i took about 10 minutes into the first half of the NC State (!!!) game