Where this happens just as you say it will? I've never heard of 10,000 people waiting for a game before...
no, YOU'RE off topic
Where this happens just as you say it will? I've never heard of 10,000 people waiting for a game before...
it WILL happen eventually. Like I've mentioned before, what if we're 11-0 going into the Ohio game? I'd put the over under at how early people start camping out at 2 weeks.
but it doesn't change the fact that there will 100% without a doubt be 10,000 students standing outside Michigan Stadium at 10:00am on November 30, 2013.
So, those pledges who will wait 6 days will damage themselves academically for a frat? If they are that dumb, they deserve to fail out.
Shit dude, calm down a little. At the end of the day, it's just seating for a football game, what's gonna matter is that you were actually there, not that some people waited longer than you for seats.
For UTL, I paid 300 bucks and sat in the SE corner, I had 5 inches of butt space and knees in my back the whole game. For OSU my friends and I were literally in all 4 corners of the stadium. For this past year I got Student Seats, showed up an hour before every game, I was seated right above the section entrances, and watched people roll in as the team was running onto the field or even later
In 20 years am I going to mention any of that? No. What I'm going to talk about is watching the games.
There's no such thing as a bad seat in the Big House.
You want a seating horror story? In 2010 I drove down to the Horseshoe, had upper level seats, got to my seat, and I was literally behind a fucking pillar. The pillar wasn't near me, it was literally right in front of my seat. Be thankful we don't have to put up with anything like that
to the people who've been bitching and moaning for the past two years about students not showing up on time to games?
You could probably could.
But I'm addressing that in most of your posts, you're worried about people camping out and stealing all the "good seats". I'm saying that there's no bad seats in the Big House, and that being there is a whole lot more memorable than whatever row you end up in
I had friends who didn't want to head over early. But even they would admit they remember almost nothing from tailgates before the game, or any particular study session. They're pretty generic. But a Michigan Football game...! Some of those memories last forever. And even the snoozers often stick with you more than beer games. What if you came late and missed Denard's first run of the ball for a TD? Heck, things like Delaware State's band make that game more memorable than 99% of pregame partying.
Dunno if you meant to reply to me or not, but I agree with you. I think just being there (no matter where your seats are) is just great
Not every reply is a post of disagreement. This was more a "And furthermore...!"
You're absolutely right about no really bad seats. Talk to someone in the ticket office, and they will tell you that among season ticket holders seeking to improve their seat location, the most requested area outside of the 50 yard line is... the top row! The vast majority of requests are to move to higher rows; not lower rows. It's amazing to me to read so many posts in this thread by current students who act as if sitting above row 30 is akin to being exiled to Siberia.
here's the new "official" petition because the other one could easily have problems with people signing multiple times
But I'm wondering if raising student ticket costs is another measure to help with attendance (in addition to being a cash grab). Will students be less likely to buy and waste season tickets if they're more expensive? Not sure if I actually think this, I'm just throwing it put there. And PS: I was there from 94-98 and I was at kickoff for every game most cases when the band took the field. And I was in a sorority. Greek fans do exist.
I strongly disagree with this move. I think people are STRONGLY underestimating what many of the current students have been posting in reference to basketball season. The OSU game was complete chaos before tipoff. People literally almost got trampled and I am not joking in the slightest. This was with only a few thousands students. There are going to be thousands of students rushing all at once to get in right before kickoff. Anybody who's been in a line like this knows full well that there is going to be a push right before people are about to get in. There is also going to be a ton of confusion and anger with the lines and people cutting. Add in a ton of alcohol (which students will get) and this crowd is not going to be calm.
On top of this, I think a lot of people are being safe with their 2 AM assumptions. I've talked to several people at schools with general admission already and they've told me they wait overnight for games not even close to the size Michigan will have in the future. The lines are going to end up going for well over 24 hours in the future. Maybe not next year, but within a few seasons it's going to happen.
I don't care whether you think people are bad fans or not, students are at school for school first and other things second. I don't understand why we need a policy that's going to create chaos before kickoff and waste a ton of time for the students just to look better on TV. We can't create anything more intelligent than general admission? Come on. Why can't they institute a "hail" like system with an MCard swipe when you walk in? What's so tough about this? This is a poorly thought out plan that's going to hurt students.
the OSU game was a mess. i was there 5 and a half hours before tip-off and didn't get bleacher seats because of everyone pushing past me during the rush.
They're going to need to significantly up security outside the gates to prevent potential crush situations when they start taking tickets and at the tunnel entrances, which will be the other dangerous location.
The first 20 rows require a seat, then the rest GA (or similar)?
When did sitting in the first 10 rows get to be a thing? It's one of the worst ways to watch a game in Michigan Stadium. Especially in Sections 29-33; the better view is from about row 40 to about row 70.
Who seriously thinks that there is a better view of the game from the first ten rows?
well no obviously. but then you get to hang with Devin Gardner after he does his Big House Leap at the end of the game.
Which is nice.
Nope. Section 23. Block M shall not be upside down.
I hate these threads. It just turns into alumni bitching about "back in my day we didn't have this problem" and then blaming the students.
Guess what, if a student is reading this blog then they probably aren't part of the problem. I haven't missed kickoff in 3 years so it gets old seeing everyone say how today's students don't care and whatnot.
I'm not too upset about having to get there a little earlier. Now I just can't sleep in as long, which is how I spend my Saturday mornings. I'm just upset that I waited my time to get good seats and now I'm getting the shaft.
line is bull shit, too. Because back in their day, it was much easier to sneak booze into the stadium plus you could leave at half, go to the liqour store across the street (it's now a wireless toyz) then re-enter the stadium. They got to the game on time, because they didn't have to do all the drinking before hand.
You're talking about like the 1970s. None of the things you describe were true a decade ago. 9/11 happened when I was a student, so no, you couldn't easily smuggle things in after that. You know what? People still made it to the games on time.
This whole business of huge numbers of students not showing up before kickoff is a very recent phenomenon. Stop making excuses for it. Get to the damn games on time. It's not that hard.
We've now had multiple football players record PSAs urging students to come to the games on time. Do it for them at least.
People are talking about long, long ago...2005, 2006. And of course, the 30 years before that.
Stay up till 3 or 4 am drinking. Still get up at 8 or 9 am to start again. And somehow we found a way to get to the Stadium by NOON! (Didn't have enough time to drink LAST season where we had the most late start games in history??) And manage our wine without all the whine.
I am talking about 2008-2011...
It's still not too terribly hard to sneak a bit of refreshment into the game.
But yeah, the days of bringing a quarter-barrel into the game, and watching Michigan down Navy 70 to 14 were good times.
is that the students were fine with the old policy. The people who cared the most about studnet behavior seemed to be those who had limited access to tickets and didn't like to see the students come late because they wish they were at the game. This is an understandable viewpoint but also a negligable one because hey, you don't go here, you didn't go here, etc. The great majority of students got the fun of partying from the break of dawn until game time and still made it for toe to meet leather. Now, they don't, and that sucks.
Those of us in the Drumline showed up 11 minutes before kickoff, and we got seats on the FIELD, fergodsakes!
I for one find this news AMAZING! I am a grad student at UM-Flint and did my undergrad at UM-Ann Arbor. I did my time huddled with drunk students who are turn around and talk to each other more than watch the game. I made my way down to row 18 my senior year only to get put back up at row 80 my first year of grad school amongst more obnoxious people. They try to keep us Flint folk as far away from the camera as possible. I show up AT LEAST 30 minutes early, so now we all can finally be rewarded.
can't believe this thread is never ending. This isn't that huge of a deal. I have a real hard time believing that without the guaruntee of good seats that students are going to get there even EARLIER.
the jackass drunken frat girls and sororiety whores who couldn't be bothered to get there 5mins before the band begins won't suddenly be willing to get here hours before.
it sucks that upperclassmen lose out and can't get grandfathered in, but students now have a choice to make, rather than being entitled to have the cake and drink it too. that's all this is
I think this move is absolutely fantastic. I also think the reason the current students are so upset by it (at least in this thread) is because the students are being held ACCOUNTABLE for their actions. You no show up for games.....you no get assaigned seats. And like it's been said by a lot of people before me this is a relatively new occurance (students not showing up) and I'm so glad the Athletic Department did something about it.
When I was in school (and a frat btw) from 1978-81 we somehow managed to balance the rigors of academic life, partying AND we made it to the games. On time.
for all three years I've had student tickets. What am I being held accountable for exactly?
Individually nothing. Obviously you weren't part of the problem but speaking as someone who has attended almost all home games from 1978 on I can tell you that the empty seats in the student section is a VERY new occurance. And it's not like the academic standards at Michigan has changed a lot in the past 35 years so if students could somehow manage to attend classes AND hook up with girls AND party AND attend the games why couldnt this group? So the accountability was spread over an entire student body and you were collateral damage to the sollution.
If your fellow students had followed your lead and headed the warnings from the athletic department over the past year or so you'd be enjoying seats on the 40 yard line like I did. And I'm sorry you arent given your attendance and support.
But if you're upset over the change look in the classroom and the other students if you want to see the problem. Be mad at them.
Now I am doubly mad at them. And come football season, when those same people who didn't show up to games on time are cutting in front of me as I stand outside for six hours in the freezing cold, just standing there and waiting, unable to tailgate or socialize with my non-student friends and relatives, I will be triply and quadruply mad at them. That doesn't mean I still can't be mad at Dave Brandon for instituting this asinine policy.
Well you probably wouldn't think it was absolutely fantastic if you had spent 7 years at Michigan and now have to wait 3 hours in line to get comparable seats.
Is the cross you're bearing too heavy little buddy? You're kinda spazzing
Huh? I'm not spazzing at all. I'm a little pissed because after 7 years of slowly moving up, it all counts for nothing. But it's not that big of a deal, and I'm not that upset by it.
No, students are mad becuase us rising seniors have had shit seats for 3 seasons, spent hundreds of dollars on tickets, thousands of dollars on tuition, and waited patiently for our turn to have good seats. And now its all for naught as any freshman now has equal opportunity to have the seats that we have waited for.
That's why we're mad.
I get why you're mad. I don't think you guys understand why we alumns are NOT mad.
This is why....
Wow the alums make more noise about this than they did all last season in the stands...
Seriously. The alums are what make Michigan Stadium the pathetically quiet venue that it is despite having the largest crowd in the country.
Sadly you are right. Last season, my first as a general season ticket holder, I got complaints for both standing and cheering too loud when we were on defense. section 40 sucks balls.
And us students understand that too. Its just that we can't really do anything about it since the students in this thread are the students in that picture. We can't be responsible for getting everyone there on time. This is like the teacher getting mad at the A student for the other students doing poorly. The A student might be able to help a couple other kids out, but there is no way he can save the whole class.
They should learn from the basketball experience. They need to have a process to address some of the key issues. For basketball line cutting, seat saving, and drinking in line are major problems. The AD has done little to stop it. The seating saving problem will be worse in Michigan Stadium. In fact I assume it will become standard protocal for greek life.
I hang out with probably some of the most intense Michigan basketball fans. We manage to get front row bleechers every game. We probably will be some of the first people in the Big House under this policy. We are the type of people that will benefit from this policy. Yet almost all my friends hate the policy (including the freshmen). Why? It isn't just about drinking and tailgating. Most of us are upset because now football will basically be a massive time drain. We already spend insane amounts of time waiting for basketball games. It just isn't fun to wait 7+ hours in a line.
I'm fairly certain that nobody here in favor of this policy, which includes virtually all the mods, had to go through the harrowing experience that was the Ohio basketball game. I haven't missed or been late to a basketball game the past three years but I didn't get in the Maize Rage for that one because I had class until 4:00pm and by the time I got there at 4:20 there were already over 1500 people ahead of me. And then we had to wait for 4 hours inside a disgusting smelly tent with a bunch of drunk idiots, while watching numerous people cut in line claiming that they were seriously, totally there ahead of time, but just had to leave to go to the bathroom. try getting some studying done when you're so crammed you can't even move your arms... then we were nearly trampled when the DJ thought it'd be a good idea to yell "the gates... are... open!!!" and everyone surged forward, knocked down the barriers, and countless people from the back beat their way to the front as bodies flew everywhere
Under the old policy i probably would have had sideline seats in the first 30 rows for the Ohio game. And I would have showed up an hour early just like I have for every game the past three years. Under general seating, who knows? Maybe I'll still be able to show up an hour early before games and get those same seats but who knows? At the beginning of this year I wouldn't have thought 1,000+ students would show up before noon on a Tuesday for the Ohio basketball game. Excuse me if I'm a little upset at Dave Brandon's decision.
I hope that students who are lining up for Maize Rage seats realize that, like Second-quarter arrivals in football, theirs is a relatively new phenomenon.
Our Athletic Department is losing a lot of money, on Maize Rage seats. At market rates (on the opposite sideline), those seats would command something like $1000 per seat PSD's. Available mostly to super-elite-level Victors Club Points earners, who got that way by even larger donations. That is, before additionally paying ticket prices roughly three times what students pay.
So yeah. Line up for the Maize Rage section. Knock yourselves out. Yell and scream. Jump around. That's what you're supposed to do. It's what the rest are paying for you to do. You are standing on some rather expensive real estate.