Student Government Website letter on why the boycott is a bad idea

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This is a very well written argument to NOT boycott the kickoff.  

https://csg.umich.edu/why-i’m-not-participating-protest-saturday-and-why-you-shouldn’t-either

A quote:

"This Saturday, on October 11th, our football team will play Penn State at home under the lights.  Families from the greater Ann Arbor area will come to campus to support our school, alumni from across the country will venture here, to their home, to show their continued support, and we, the students, will recognize and celebrate the unparalleled community we have here at Michigan.  Football games are a time-honored tradition, a tradition that stretches back over a century, one that thousands of people have enjoyed long before us, and one that thousands of Michigan fans will continue to follow long after we’ve left...."

The letter goes on to make three primary points.  The letter also does call out the Boycott OP on Mgoblog but makes it clear it is only "some" "posters" on Mgoblog that are calling for a boycott.  I'm sure many of you won't like that.  You are free to debate your points.  

Futher, it does not suggest that Mgoblog is calling for a boycott.

Now Mgoblog has allowed many posts calling for a boycott.  Since Mgblog is not calling for the boycott itself I have to assume they will allow this post that references an articulate opposing point of view just as they have allowed the boycott posts.  Further many of the points in the linked letter have not been made in any of the many posts on this board.  Based on these two points, I am assuming this is a legitimate and worthwhile post for the board.  

Blue Since B.C.

October 8th, 2014 at 3:08 PM ^

If I lived closer, I'd buy a lot of $1 tickets to go watch our other great student-athletes play their respective non-football sports.  It's something I definitely regret not doing more of when I was in school.

Football has received 99% of my dollars over the years, but there are so many other athletes doing special things at the university.  I'd take a "vacation" and go watch them.

 

umumum

October 8th, 2014 at 5:17 PM ^

but it sounds like one from someone who isn't actually kicking out the costs of seasons tickets, seat fees and attendant costs for attending games--games that have been entirely joyless for the past year and one half.  In particular, the Utah game in a downpour was special. As one long-time season ticket-holder, let me share that the enjoyable Saturdays you remember have been history for quite some time.  That's the point--as much as the wins and losses.

Livonia Wolverine

October 8th, 2014 at 3:06 PM ^

I spend 250 dollars on two tickets and people expect me to not use them? LOL must be nice to be rich enough to throw away a $250 invest. ($400 if you add in tailgate costs)

Chunks the Hobo

October 8th, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^

I'll be there. I'm expecting more sludgefart, but I'll be there. The People Who Decide will decide about Brandon one way or another. Personally, I'd like him gone yesterday.

bluebyyou

October 8th, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^

What is missed in the piece is the opportunity to demonstrate on a national stage and still support our players.

Why is it assumed that students coming in after the game starts are not supporting players?

This is not an even playing field.  Brandon can schedule TV interviews at the drop of a hat and have Stephen Ross give him letters of support. A display before a national TV audience is the closest thing to a quid pro quo that the students will ever have to express their feelings.

Just my .02.

 

Livonia Wolverine

October 8th, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^

I'm so pumped for Saturday. I'm going in expecting to get our asses kicked but it's the 1 game this year I was able to make it to and I am going to make the best of it. We're going to be partying starting at 8 AM at Pioneer. Steaks, wings, sausages, beer, cigars and more. Great chance to see people you never see other than these games.

rockediny

October 8th, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^

I wish I was in AA so I could go. I understand that when people pay a lot of money to go see a poor performance every football Saturday, it's easy to take going to see a Michigan game for granted, but boycotting UTL III is unimaginable to me. I wouldn't miss this for the world if I was in AA.

rockediny

October 8th, 2014 at 3:34 PM ^

I'm against the boycott, but that was terribly written and argued. The first two points are basically the same - support the players. He then ends this masterpiece by telling us to trust the authorities, meanwhile filling in the spaces with trigger phrases like "time-honored tradition" and "victors and best" (instead of leaders and best). There are better arguments against the boycott than just telling us to trust the AD. Who are you to tell us to trust them? As far as know, this person has no insight into how an Athletic Department operates and his words carry no weight. All we know are the results we've seen. I agree that the boycott is not a good idea but I don't agree with the reasons he came up with.

RBWolverine

October 8th, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^

Embarrassing.  Wow, that is some poorly reasoned, politically correct BS.  I didn't realize even student government leaders acted like politicians.  Dave Brandon would hire this guy in a heartbeat.  His argument is seriously no more than "support the players" and "trust the people in charge."

The sentiment in the first point is fine, though it completely ignores that the goal of the kickoff-only protest would be to make a point while still supporting the team.  People aren't boycotting the whole game.

The second point is essentially asking people to just change their minds about Dave Brandon and decide he must be a swell guy who should keep his job.  Saying "you shouldn't argue Dave Brandon should be fired" because "you should trust him" is such a vacuous argument.  Providing, I don't know, one single shred of evidence that Brandon has earned any trust would be make it an actual argument.

One last thing that really irked me in this:  He said that the protest "does not reflect the true nature of Michigan."  Sure, supporting each other and building community are core values at Michigan.  But sitting silently by and letting people in power do whatever the hell they want is decidedly not what Michgan is about.  There's a great history of protest and civil disobedience in Ann Arbor.  Feel free to disagree about whether the athletic director is a subject worth protesting, but it's just wrongheaded to say that making your voice heard on an issue of importance to you is somehow un-Michigan.

This whole post just reeks of kissing up to the administration, Brandon in particular.  Bizarre.

Indiana Blue

October 8th, 2014 at 3:56 PM ^

won't be a hot topic for the MGoTailgate this Saturday.  Really doubt any of the formers players are going to join in any boycott, either kickoff or the game itself.  No boycott for me - too few chances to watch Michigan football live, even though I'm a season ticket holder, and YES I want Brandon and Hoke gone.

Go Blue!

BradP

October 8th, 2014 at 4:03 PM ^

The entire article rests on the idea of the fans as community and what not while ignoring that it was the administration its defending that has worked so hard to turn community into commodity and fans into customers.

The fans are just now finally treating Michigan football by its bottom line, entertainment value, brand pride, etc.  How long has the administration been doing it.  Why not balance this letter out with a call for the the administration to stop marginalizing the fans, students, band, former players, etc. with its actions?

Ty Butterfield

October 8th, 2014 at 4:14 PM ^

Looks like DB got to this guy. Hope he got something besides a couple of Cokes to write this.

dnak438

October 8th, 2014 at 4:15 PM ^

I'm not pro- or anti-boycott -- I tend to think it's probably not the best way to show our discontent, to be honest -- but that letter is the dumbest possible 'anti-boycott' statement I can imagine.

Webber's Pimp

October 8th, 2014 at 4:20 PM ^

The guys at MgoBlog HAVE BEEN implictly calling for a boycott whether they care to admit it or not. Just refer to the MgoBlog podcast 6.5  (two Monday's ago) when Ace said he would "not go to the Maryland game" (see Minute 16:26) and shortly thereafter floated the idea of a "walkout" or a "no show" of the students. 

As I've been poiting out our program is toxic and it starts with our fans.  Although I love the guys at MgoBlog I cannot get behind this ridiculous initiative. It does more harm than good. And from a player's perspective its unforegiveable...

dnak438

October 8th, 2014 at 4:20 PM ^

Talking about a personal decision not to go to a game the day after a horrible loss is hardly a mission statement.

Nobody is asking you to get behind this initiative or any other. We all know that you think it is stupid. I'm not a huge supporter myself but I don't feel the need to post my opinion in every thread.

Webber's Pimp

October 8th, 2014 at 4:30 PM ^

If you are an alumn I would urge you to speak up and have your voice be heard. People are acting irrationally and hurting the program beyond repair. It dates back to the Carr era...As a 20 year alumn and donor to our fine institution I am sick and tired of the toxic atmosphere that is mostly the product of disgruntled fans who for all I know never even attended the University.

Doc Brown

October 8th, 2014 at 4:40 PM ^

As a young alumni I am tired of the Bo era alums high jacking the program to advance their own interests. I am gone until Brandon is canned. I support the players enough to not support a toxic athletic director. I refuse to give Brandon one cent or second of my interest anymore. Brandon created this atmosphere that caused us to be disgruntled. Cause and effect. Brandon is the cause.


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SalvatoreQuattro

October 8th, 2014 at 4:26 PM ^

 This is a team with too much talent to be 2-4 yet here we stand. Blaming the fans  requires us to ignore what went on last year. This program is in serious trouble  in part because the players are not playing as a team--last year apparently was only the beginning.  

The fans are certainly contributing to the toxicity of the situation, but it started within the team. Who is to blame is clear--Brady Hoke. A coach's first task is to make sure the team plays as a team and not as a collection of cliques.

Amaizeinblue

October 8th, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^

Anyone thinking of boycotting give your head a shake. How does that help the current situation and what message does that send to kids who potentially want to come here and make this team better? It doesn't get Brandon or Hoke fired and faster. Want to voice your displeasure? Hold a sign, wear a tshirt, start a chant. Don't just not show up.

wbpbrian

October 8th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^

student section to hold up a sign to fire Brandon. There is reason to discourage our players. Just let the world know how we feel about Brandon.

Something like this but instead have fire Brandon on it.

Blam Johnson

October 8th, 2014 at 4:41 PM ^

As his peer, I feel perfectly content with calling that reasoning stupid. "We've always done it so keep doing it" is just not valid for this situation.

The athletic department treats us like customers to be milked, and in turn they expect us to treat their sports like a religious obligation. It's bullshit. Either both sides treat it like something more than a business, or both sides are free to view it as an economic transaction. They've already picked their side. No one should be chiding fans for returning the favor. 

Huma

October 8th, 2014 at 4:43 PM ^

I really hope that those advocating boycott are just the vocal minority. It is just so irrational to boycott a Michigan football game. Someone please explain to me how advocating boycott is not a prime example of someone being a fair weather fan??


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Blam Johnson

October 8th, 2014 at 4:51 PM ^

Well actually, boycotting is pretty far from fair-weather. Only caring about a team when they're good is fair-weather. Caring so much about a team in a bad situation that you take action is on the other end of the spectrum. 

With that said - it needs to be noted that people aren't planning on doing this because of the record. We had just as bad of a year with Rich, and no one did anything like this. It's about Brandon, which is kind of a unique situation that doesn't really enter the realm of fair-weather fandom.

I'm not boycotting anything, for what it's worth. I'll be there. But I don't blame the people who won't. 

RBWolverine

October 8th, 2014 at 4:55 PM ^

(1) A boycott would not be about the team's performance and would not be because people don't want to watch the team play.  It would be because people feel it's one of the only ways they can make their voices heard to achieve change within the athletic department.

(2) The proposed boycott for the Penn State game is only for KICKOFF.  We're talking about a matter of a few minutes to make a statement.  If you were being a fair weather fan, you'd skip the entire game because you just don't want to go.

I'm ambivalent about the idea of a boycott, because I'm not sure it will really have any effect and it does seem likely to bother the players.  But at the same time, I think people need to make sure their voices are heard by the people in charge and if they think that's the way to do it, more power to them.  Just do whatever you can to simultaneously make the players feel supported.

jbuch002

October 8th, 2014 at 5:13 PM ^

This is my first post here although I read mgoblog assiduously. I’m nearly 70, graduated M in 1970 and was in the student section when Bo took his team onto the field and beat Woody’s NC osu team. Having experienced the 60s and M’s campus alive with antiwar and anti-Nixon protestors I can tell you student power does have an impact. There are 3 generations of M grads in my family, 4 if you count my Son’s 6 year old daughter who started attending games this fall. We are both financially and emotionally invested in M football in many ways. You can make a difference with a boycott of the game and still support the players by remaining in the corridors and not entering the stadium until the KO. Why? Some of you may know that the President’s Advisory Council is having scheduled meetings this week. You may not know that Steven Ross – the donor that has given millions to the U will be in attendance. So will all eight Regents. Observers believe that Dave Brandon’s leadership of the athletic department will be on the Council’s agenda. So what you say? Ross (the money) and the Regents (the power) will be in the President’s Suite for the game on Saturday. By your absence in the stadium (until KO), you can send a powerful message to the money and the power that you are dissatisfied with the trajectory and the course of the M football program. Moreover, the game is televised on ESPN2. While this is not ABC prime, sports journalists looking for a story will jump on an empty, or nearly empty M stadium. It is pressure from the press that brought Nixon down. It can, and likely will, bring Dave Brandon down. I don’t need to tell Michigan students how important responsible protesting is. Boycott the game in a way this is appropriate and meaningful to you.

Logan

October 8th, 2014 at 5:28 PM ^

This letter is garbage. Please explain how this is VERY well written aside from the fact that it is, uh, in coherent English? I guess with our head coach, that constitutes a win nowadays.

MBloGlue

October 8th, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^

I'm thinking you ditch the boycott both for Penn State and for Maryland because it is not targeted enough to the complaint or to the recipient of the message.  The reality is that because the team is performing poorly and students are notorious for showing up late anyway, any message of the boycott will be muddled with the team's poor performance on the field.  So, I have no problem with boycotts.  I just don't think the message is effectively targeted in this case.

I suggest more targeted forms of protesting that go straight to the AD's policies in ways that the President and Regents may be more willing to hear:

  • I really like the idea of boycotting concessions.  That goes straight to the bottom line.
  • Circulate "Fire Dave"  or "Bring back Michigan" stickers for people to put on their water bottles and such.  You could either bring them to the Stadium with the expectation that they will be confiscated upon entry, and just make sure the Michigan Daily gets a good picture of it  -- perhaps a long row of cups lined up by the recycle bin outside the stadium.  Or just circulate the stickers and put them on things once you get inside and smile for the tv camera.  Or a combination of the two.  Getting a few choice photos on national TV will raise the profile much more than an empty seat at kickoff.
  • Protest ticket prices by throwing ramen noodle packages onto the field when they announce stadium attendance.  I'm thinking that throwing Ramen Noodles would be harmless like throwing marshmallows, but I'm willing to concede this one if it would present a safety risk. 
  • You could also throw packages of Ramen Noodles on the President's lawn, like every fucking day.  Just cover it.  I choose Ramen Noodles because of its association with poor students.  There may be a better choice.
  • Every time they finish piping in rawk musik, continue singing the song but on some variation of the tune on "Fire Dave".  You get the point. 
  • I also like Brian's idea of turning the "Goooooo!  Bluuuuuue" chant into a "Fire Daaaave" chant.   
  • Above all, voice well-reasoned complaints to the Regents and to the President through student government and letter writing.  

I'm an Alum that is pretty far removed from student life at this point.  I'm drawing more from my fairly extensive public policy backround to recommend an overarching more targeted strategy, so don't get caught up in the specifics.  Michigan has a long history of supporting its teams even when they have struggled.  The key here is more targeted ways of voicing objections that differentiate between dissatisfaction over AD policies that are compromising UM culture and community goodwill versus team performance on the field.  And then be persistent with the message over time. 

I do think the President and maybe the Regents will eventually get the message that Michigan Football is not just a profit maximizing business but has been and should continue to be an integral compontent to the Michigan culture.  Many of them are in academics and not on Wall Street for a reason. 

Mittelstadt

October 8th, 2014 at 7:14 PM ^

The boycott is absolutely the right thing for the Players and the University.  

The administrators all need a wake up call.  Great coaches have said "no" to Michigan because of the silly politics of these and other cowardly saboteurs.  Today RR made a valid point.  The BS would not have happened if Bo was there.  I agree.

jbuch002 has a great post above.  A well thought out and executed protest will be very impactful.  It will be especially impactful if National Media capture them walking in after the kick off with signage.

The student government article is not well written or reasoned.  It's well punctuated and the spelling looked good.  But the arguments were not persuasive and I'm not sure the author has a good understanding of what's really happening here.  In fact, that leads me to believe the content was modeled after the reasoning of DB himself.  

Our players of every sport at this University deserve better.  Our students deserve better.  And our fans who give so much to support our teams deserve better whether they've attended the University or not.

There's no right time to do the wrong thing and no wrong time to do the right thing.

Boycotting the kick off is the right time to do the rignt thing to send a message.  Good luck to the organizers and the participating students. 

Hail.

 

 

Carcajous

October 8th, 2014 at 8:14 PM ^

On the contrary, I didn't see any compelling argument for not boycotting.  Their three "reasons" consist of:  Don't hurt the players, support the players, and we are the leaders and best (so trust the AD).

Could someone explain to me how playing in front of 80,000 fans rather than 110,000 fans "hurts" the players?  Aside from pride, etc. how is anyone hurt?  Does anyone lose a scholarship or suffer any other harm, other than simply knowing that some fans chose not to go to the game?