Color me shocked...jk. If I
That's a pretty serious overstatement
He isn't going to start, and I doubt he is the first linebacker off the bench.
My mistake, I suppose depth
My mistake, I suppose depth never hurt anybody for sure, but I overestimated his impact I guess.
Might be pertinent to include
Might be pertinent to include that the charges of domestic assault he was facing were dropped. He pled guilty to disorderly conduct, got probation, is back on the team, but is now suspended.
Screw it, play Touissant.
Screw it, play Touissant. Alabama wouldn't hesitate to do likewise. ND slaps the wrist of a cop assaulter. OSU pulls this while on probation. The entire SEC conference does worse on most weekends.
Integrity is gone. May as well put our best guys out on the field too...
Hail.
To me, that sounds like an
To me, that sounds like an argument to sit him.
College football is no longer
College football is no longer an extra-curricular activity. It is a business. The only way that gets reigned in is if the NCAA grows a pair and starts enforcing penalties for everything. Even that would be disingenuous, as the NCAA culture pushes teams so hard to succeed and then puts a lot of arbitrary rules in place that indirectly prevent that success.
The student athlete system is now a joke. Those that use it as scripture are the butt of that joke...
Hail.
Pretty much can't agree with
Pretty much can't agree with you more. I don't know if you initially meant this more tongue-in-cheek, but there's much truth to what you're writing, regardless. I've been saying all along that I think Fitz will play the majority of the game (based on nothing but personal speculation). I understand Hoke is a great leader and mentor to these young men but part of me thinks he knows this game/sport is essentially a business. His job in said business: to win games. This may all get taken the wrong way by some of you, I'm sure of it. I don't think these players should be given free passes. They deserve punishment for their negative and deleterious actions. But it's out of our control (as fans) as to what the punishment for these collegiate athletes is. Coaches dole it out and we sit back and watch (and "critique").
I take no position on whether
I take no position on whether or not Fitz plays. I hope he will, but I don't think it's going to happen. Whatever Hoke decides I hope it's not based on what these other guys would do.
Everyone else in the world is
Everyone else in the world is worse than you, Michigan. You're the last bastion of purity. Commissar Hoke would never do something so base like to reinstate a player charged with breaking and entering before his legal status was resolved.
Keep defending all that's good and holy, and the rest of us will bask in your radiance.
That's cute.
But that
That's cute.
But that "everyone does it" shit went out in grade school.
I agree.
To decry a lack of integrity or morals or some diabolical motive in everyone else's actions while ignoring one's own unprincipled actions is myopic and self-serving. This isn't really about the school, it's about fans trying to posture as though the school is somehow above the fray, that to play Touissant would sully the school's name.
There's quite enough of this gamesmanship as it is, and more colorful metaphors to describe this kind of "contest". But this kind of grandstanding is dumb and should stop.
They sure have stepped up
They sure have stepped up their english classes at MSU...
Hail.
Not MSU. Akron State.
Not MSU. Akron State.
What a fucking joke.
Beat up
What a fucking joke.
Beat up women, get to play football. That's the ohio way for ya. Hope Fitz or Rawls trucks his ass 11/24.
Ummmm
Kind of a pot kettle thing for UM fans to say.
I always like my team's coach
I always like my team's coach to react really harshly for show and then relent when it turns out he overreacted.
If Urban Meyer is still the coach at OSU by the time the next summer Olympics are played, I'll be shocked.
I'll be shocked.
Might as well practice your "shocked" face. Meyer ain't going anywhere that soon.
I heard that
Mark Emmert was behind getting the charges dropped. Hmmm...
"I'm not a vegetarian b/c I love animals. I'm a vegetarian b/c I hate plants"
FWIW
According to twitter, he will miss the first 3 games.
THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE CHAMPIONS
You mean those three really
You mean those three really tough home games to start the season?
Actually OSU's third game of
Actually OSU's third game of the season is against Cal, which is, like, almost a real opponent.
But not to worry, Storm's suspension sounds like it will only be 2 games, not 3...so look for him against Cal.
However...
OSU's 2nd game is against UCF, who are predicted by Phil Steele to end the season ranked #15 overall. They're also the favorite to win C-USA, and I believe have been given better odds at an upset than Cal. They definitely aren't a top-tier team, but they shouldn't be scrubs either.
Classic!!
My Buckeye brother in law was just texting me talking shit about Hoke possibly playing Fitz against Alabama. I then saw this post as we're arguing and informed him. The texts have now stopped.
Except now everyone in this
Except now everyone in this thread is doing the exact thing your brother in law was just doing... Strange reactions in this thread considering we have guys suspended currently whose status is still up in the air, and considering Klein's charges have been dropped. Why would he be suspended for the year if there's no more case? This thread is making us look pretty foolish.
"Michigan Defense" is dominating everything, in every aspect of life. That's a rough definition.
-Craig Roh 10/29/2011
Actually Klein pled guilty
to disorderly conduct, the domestic violence charges were dropped when his baby mama refused to testify.
Still dropped. Did he
Still dropped. Did he probably do it? Yes. But that doesn't really matter if she's too afraid of the lunatic Buckeye fans to do anything about it, which I suspect is part of the issue. Such is life down here in Ohio. I don't know of any coach who's going to suspend a guy for something he's not convicted of. This isn't the NFL.
"Michigan Defense" is dominating everything, in every aspect of life. That's a rough definition.
-Craig Roh 10/29/2011
Dez Wells?
Dez Wells was just expelled from Xavier for something he wasn't convicted of and apparently isn't even going to be charged with. And, needless to say, he was removed from the basketball team about a millisecond after he was kicked out of the school.
Every case is different, of course, but it isn't true that there always has to be a conviction before there are any long-term consequences.
Don't you have to be off the
Don't you have to be off the team if you're kicked out of school?
"After all was said and done, there was nothing left to do."
Didn't think that one needed
Didn't think that one needed a /s.
But it's still an example of an athlete that's out even though the (alleged) victim (allegedly) declines to testify against him. I don't mean to suggest this is what should have happened to Klein--from the rumors out there, there's a world of difference between the two incidents--but not getting convicted isn't, and shouldn't be, the end of the story in every case.
Most OSU fans were fine with
Most OSU fans were fine with him being booted, actually. We try to limit our juror/witness intimidation to cases where the defendant is a starter. This isn't East Lansing, forgodssake.
Reinstate a non-John Simon
Reinstate a non-John Simon guy on the same defense that faced us last year? I'll take it.
Former Buckeye Antonio Pittman on being a poster child for compliance: "This osu tattoo stuff is silly. Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01."
Urban's core values
“The charges that would have violated our core values have been totally dismissed."
So, disorderly conduct is within the new core values at Ohio. Good for other star players to know where the line has been drawn.
"Oh they came to bury Michigan, but Michigan wasn't dead."
Although I disagree with the
Although I disagree with the decision to let him come back, Ohio's disorderly conduct statute is a catchall that includes everything from noise complaints, to giving someone the bird, to loitering, to, in some areas, spitting on the sidewalk.
Is anyone surprised?
Is anyone surprised?
Why is Jerry Sandusky your
Why is Jerry Sandusky your avi?
Good thing you left all of
Good thing you left all of the information out. All charges but disorderly conduct dropped, and he will be suspended at least two weeks for that.
Go Blue!
The level of Urban hate
The level of Urban hate around here is pretty ridiculous, if it were RCMB saying these things about Hoke we would all laugh at them. I have my own reasons for disliking the guy, but no matter what decisions he makes people around here find a way to hate on him. In this specific case, I think he handled it very well. Most of the charges were dropped, so no shit he should face a lesser punishment. And he's still getting punished for a relatively minor crime. My only gripe would be kicking him off the team before the legal system worked itself out, but outside of that what has Urban done that Hoke wouldn't?
COYS and Vive Le Rouge of Detroit FC!
Agreed
This thread is all kinds of stupid.
A player gets suspended for three games for disorderly conduct and people make fun of Urban Meyer.
DERP
We should start making skinny
We should start making skinny jokes about Urban. /11Warrior'd
I can't fault him for this
I can't fault him for this specific exchange, but the man is a total scumbag. Read the ESPN article on his situation. The guy regularly disregards his family and has his head up his own ass so he can walk around smelling his own shit. If my son ever ends up being some football super recruit, I wouldn't let him play for Urban even if he was the coach of Michigan. His priorities are out of whack, and even though ESPN tries to paint him as a victim, he still comes off sounding like a complete dick.
I would poke fun at Hoke if he was the OSU coach, but I wouldn't despise him simply for coaching our rivals. I know that emotional reactions are unpopular on this blog, but the dude seriously rubs me the wrong way.
Hail.
I'm kind of in the same boat
I'm kind of in the same boat in regards to Urban and find this whole Storm Klein situation to be "meh."
But on the other hand, I figure if this raises some eyebrows to folks or media members who see this at only face value, and they question the "core values" of OSU and Urban's ethics, I will have absolutely no problem with that.
"Welllllllll..."
It's hard to admit but I
It's hard to admit but I agree completely! I hate the Michigan double standard. I do believe Michigan tries to be better than most but sometimes it doesn't always work out. As much as we try and want to believe... Michigan is not perfect.
The Michigan difference...
As an institution that humans
As an institution that humans created I wouldn't expect it to be perfect.
Here's hoping for a bright future. This team does try hard and I will continue to support them.
Welcome Storm, you are now
Welcome Storm, you are now part of "The Circle of Trust".
Urban.
Vice.com
C'mon..
Do you honestly think a classy individual from ohio with a name like Storm Klein and a Slingblade like face would beat a woman?
Taco neck.. Derp
Bears Beets Battlestar Galactica
hey, slingblade was a good
hey, slingblade was a good guy. don't drag his name through the mud by comparing him to storm Klein.
shrim
name's
Carl. Mmm-hmmm.
Biz hundert azoi ve tsvantsik
Eh.
Eh.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
Non-Factor
He's not a factor besides maybe some depth. Way too slow. If I see him against us, I'm smiling.
Color me shocked...jk. If I were an OSU fan I would be giddy, fortunately I am not. In all seriousness he's a good player that will undoubtedly strengthen their D.