Man, if this is true, I'm very disappointed in Darryl.
Stonum ticketed for driving with suspended license today.
I agree, I was backing this kid all the way till I read this.
if he thought he had special permission to drive to work or what have you, which you can get, but didn't actually get it.
Probably done, though.
Yeah, I doubt he got a hardship license after his second offense.
Hoke better set an example with Stonum. I'd be outraged if a coach at another school played a kid like this.
Let him finish his degree at UM and use the year to try to get himself back on track. If he does that and satisfies all of his DUI obligations and stays out of trouble, he will be considered for reinstatement for the 2012 season (no guarantee; solely Hoke's option).
I'm sorry, but that's just Buckeye Logic: "discipline" that actually isn't. As it stood this morning, after two DUIs and two probation violations, Stonum was likely to miss a chunk of this season. But now, after today's infraction, you suggest giving him an opportunity to start fresh next season. So, in the end, Michigan would end up getting more play out of him.
But, hey, everybody deserves a sixth chance.
First, the argument that a one season suspension constitutes no discipline at all is silly. Of all the discipline doled out to athletes, even at a program like Michigan, it is among the most severe.
Second, this has nothing to do with OSU. I understand why you would want to set OSU up as a strawman so you can turn around and easily knock it down, but discipline should be established based on what is best for the player and the program and not based on what another school like OSU might or might not do.
Stonum, like all of the UM players who have been around for the past 2-3 years, has stuck with Michigan through some pretty rough times. He also clearly has a drinking problem and needs some help. Despite his mistakes, I think it would be very wrong to abandon him now and not at least enable him to finish his final year at UM and get his degree. As for leaving open the possibility for him to play again after his one year suspension, I can understand why some people might not agree with that. But I would treat it similar to a 5th year senior and tell him he needs to earn that chance by working hard on the practice squad and by cleaning up his act and being a model citizen off the field over the next 12 months. That is a far cry from how a school like OSU would likely handle the situation.
I agree with everything you said except the part about stonum's drinking problem. This charge here for driving on a suspended licence clearly shows stonum has a driving problem.
This is the exact comment I was about to leave...
A Judgement Problem
somewhere right now your logic professor is very proud
We still don't know the circumstances of the incident. I think that, depending on the circumstances, his suspension should be at a minimum a suspension for 3/4 of the season and at most for the entire year and the bowl game with a chance of playing next season if he cleans up his act. I am confident Hoke will make the right call.
I really like Stonum. But it doesn't look like he wants to change at the moment. Can't imagine him remaining on the team after this.
The guy clearly needs help. The saddest part is that the athletic department provides all kinds of help to student athletes that avail themselves of it. Its kind of like the Braylon driving drunk a few days after the Jets announced their "free rides home" policy of hiring a car service for their players. Its one thing for a guy/gal that needs to get somewhere and has no other option than driving themselves. But it doesn't seem like there is any excuse for Stonum who has assumedly all kinds of resources at his fingertips . . .
It might be time for some counciling.
Welp, it looks like we just picked up another scholarship for 2012 . . .
We would have had it anyways......
Unless we were going to go the sit out for the year and take a redshirt route.
I don't think that's ever been done. Blount got back after nine games at Oregon, and if we were in a stretch run for a division title, I think any coach would put him bback on the team.
If he doesn't have an excellent excuse, which is highly unlikely, Hoke needs to show him the door.
Why couldn't he just carpool places with Terrelle Pryor ? ? ?
I hope D. Stonum gets some help related to what seems some serious judgement issues.
...is that the correct spelling is "Judgment."
I guess it needs to be pointed out that both "judgment" and "judgement" are acceptable. Also, you're trolling.
He's not trolling... and "judgement", as an alternative, i thought was acceptable in the UK? Either way, i always spell it judgment to avoid this very conversation.
Edit: I also find it comical that the most controversial part of the image is the spelling of Judgment.
When used in legal settings, it's always "judgment." However, I actually looked into this a couple years ago, and both spellings in American English are okay, after seeing it on the wall at my gym (Crunch- "No Judgements."). Turns out both are acceptable, though the version with the "e" is more British but still acceptable in American English (though I wouldn't put the "e" in there in an MSJ or any court document).
Here's a kid with nothing but blue sky ahead, and he screws up continually.
Kind of a shame, he's fast and talented. Back to Texas for him.
this is sad, i know it is self inflicted but damn.. i feel bad for the guy.
This sucks. Hoke should take a page out of Beilein's book and kick him off the team but let him finish his degree. I don't think this merits kicking this guy's future in the nuts...
Hopefully he can make a run at th NFL, but for now, it looks like his career here should/probably will be over. Good luck to him, it's a shame that he couldn't get it together.
Hoke gave him away back, but he definitely didn't take it. Thanks for the memories Stonum.
Damn damn damn...
Hopefully this kid can get his life in order, but I don't think he should be seeing the field again....he just doesn't get it at all.
I want to argue that he should be allowed to stay, but, I just can't. Man, this is sad.
could probably think up a good reason!
Let's not jump to this too fast. It's not confirmed yet, and we don't know any extenuating circumstances. Maybe there was a huge emergency. Cops do NOT let you go on things these days. Their careers depend on it.
He's probably done, but lets wait for everything to come out.
Alt + F4
Anyone who acts above the law like this has no place distracting his team maters at Michigan. Goodbye Stonum.
*mates. Goddamn auto spell
I argued for him being gone after his most recent DUI. He has no regard for the law and it shows.
I can understand not wanting to give up drinking, especially at that age. It's also hard to have good judgment when you're shitcanned, so again I can sympathize/relate there too. But there is no way you need to drive a car if you live in Ann Arbor and have like 85 best friends (in addition to probably a bunch of students who would gladly give him a lift to Kroger or wherever he needed to go). I never had a car while I was at Michigan and would have had a tough time coming up with places I really wanted to drive to even if I'd had one. After two DUI's you should just sell the thing and throw a party with the profits. I just don't get it.
After two DUI's you should just sell the thing and throw a party with the profits. I just don't get it.
To anyone but a tattoo parlour owner or a shady auto dealer.
that's too bad
D Stanford, A. Burbidge come on down
Unbelievable. Unless there are some pretty serious extenuating circumstances (a family emergency or something), this is just unexcusable. I'm interested to see what the fallout will be. I have to think he'll be dismissed from the team. The worst thing is, he just got them to downgrade his DUI to operating while visibly impaired (which I assume is a lesser offense), and now this. They'll throw the book at him.
You're outta here.
Good Luck to the kid. I hope he straightens himself out.
This one is dedicated to the posters who passionately argued that Stonum deserved a fourth chance.
This is a victimless (if very stupid) crime.
I'd +1 you if I could. It will be quite funny to see the people that argue for him getting a 5th chance, though.
D'oh! This is just...damn it...Our friend Mr. Stonum needs a life coach right now. I really hope he gets things straightened out. Also, and not that this makes it okay, but at least driving on a suspended license doesn't endanger anyone the way driving drunk does.
People were giving me shit about me saying get rid of Stonum after the 2nd DUI. You cant fix stupid. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.....bye.
Nobody has posted this yet so here's the story:
According to Ann Arbor police, Stonum was stopped near Ann St. and Division St shortly after 9:00 a.m. Thursday morning and ticketed for driving with a suspended license at 9:15 a.m.
Well at least it was early in the morning and not driving home from the bar. Sad sad day for Mr. Stonum. While I don't know if kicking him off the team permanently is in the best interest for the young man, he should definitely be SUSPENDED for the full season immediately.
He of course deserved a second chance. But he should have been booted after he violated his probation. I can't believe the team didn't cut him after the second DUI.
me. How many chances does he need? The sad thing is that he seems like a nice enough kid, and a pretty good player. Just can't make that many bad decisions in such a short time period. It sucks cause he was one of the few wide outs who's proven he can play outside, but doesn't matter now.
Because I wanted to see more played out, and how Hoke and Stonum handled it, because we've had problem players clean themselves up and become good citizens. But if this is happening already, he's got problems way more than football. I'm sorry to give up on a kid, but you can't overshadow the team. I'm afraid this should be the last straw.
I hope Stonum gets the help and/or focus he needs to be successful in life. He absolutely can and I have no doubt that he will. That said, I completely agree with you, M-Wolverine--at this point, if no one player is greater than the program, Hoke needs to cut ties with Stonum.
We can't roll our eyes at Dantonio and Kelly giving players third, fourth, fifth chances and play the Michigan Difference card if we're going to do the same.
as much of a U of M homer as I am, I must admit, that just about does it for Stonum. It was fun watching him whenever he got hot during a game...
I can't believe this kid! He has so much talent and he was probably going to be the #1 receiver in this new offense because of his combination of speed and decent size. Hopefully he can get his shit together and play next season. I'd be for suspending him for the year and letting him play next year if he gets in line.
holy shit. sent him a message on ps3 today asking him if he would be good for the season. i played with him but he didnt answer me. oopss hahaha
I can't imagine Brady Hoke keeping someone who has so little respect for authority. Apparently, Stonum just doesn't "get it." Hopefully, he will learn to at least stay on the Bell Curve, but it will have to be at another school.
passes Denethor, son of Stonum.
Yet another overhyped recruit who didn't pan out. Our player development over the last 4-5 years has been crap.
If coach hoke wants to cut him, then so be it. But don't paint the kid like hes some vicious felon. Stupid? Yes. But none of us would be fired from this offense from our jobs, so let's not pretend that this 20 year old did something so unfathomably bad. While he seems to get arrested monthly, have there ever been drugs/violence? If not, then he's just a moron who will be used as an example.
Umm.... I'm pretty sure many of us would be fired after two DUIs and driving w/ a suspended license.
if I got pulled over and i smelled like mouth wash, i would lose my CDL license and go to jail. I would definitely lose my job over a .04 alcohol test. Then I would have that luxury to tell my kids and wife that im sorry but looks like we wont be making our mortgage payment anymore. A little harsh? I think so considering Stonum's situation. You have no clue.
Yeah he hasn't klled anyone yet, so I guess that is something.
I hope he can get this all settled. I will agree with whatever punishment Hoke sends his way.
Even if Hoke sends him to Bolivia?
Ken knows if thats fair or not. Regardless, this is ridiculous. How many chances must one get?
Cut his a$$, we don't need cancers on the team...
Get him out of here... We are the bigger brother and have to show our little brother an example.
Cionsider this as well - typically cops don't just see someone and think, "Hmmm, that person could have a suspended license". You would have to imagine he was speeding, ran a stop sign or light, had a tail light out, or doing something else to get the cops attention first.
Man, having been through everything he's been through, how do you not practice precision in obeying traffic laws if you know you have to drive but don't have a working license?
or something along that order :-)
If he plays, I'm getting on the field and tackling him myself. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
Yea, he's done.
Gee....what a surprise....you keep giving a guy chances and look what happens
Stonum's attorney, Doug Lewis, said at today's sentencing that Stonum was simply moving the car so he didn't get a parking ticket.
While maybe not the smartest move (get a friend to help you move it), in retrospect I think the above 70 posts were a little harsh on the kid.
Even if this was all he was doing, why would a cop even think to stop Stonum unless there was some obvious reason to do so? Are the cops staking Stonum out or something? This doesn't add up for me.
We'll wait to see if that's really the case. How often does a guy get pulled over moving a car from the street to the driveway? And if his license was suspended, how was his car in a ticketable location to begin with?
I'm not saying I don't believe him. But I'm not saying I believe him yet either.
2 Years probation for the DUI, Suspended license charge to be dismissed pending successful completion of a "strict sobriety court program."
Just woke up in CA and was looking for some good news to start the day and read this. Stunned and disbelief is how I feel right now. Stonum showed poor judgment and selfishness and potentially just threw away something very few of us can ever attain. He is one of my favorite players and I hope he straightens out his life.
Now I really wish we had brought in Devin Luien last year, you never know what could happen. We should also take a QB this year as well even though we will have the #1 ranked QB for 2013.
From Free Press article:
Stonun [sic] was ticketed Thursday for driving with a suspended license and faces an arraignment on that charge June 23. His attorney, Douglas Lewis, told Creal that Stonum was just moving his car from one spot to another to avoid a parking ticket. Creal said his license could be suspended in one-year chunks by the state of Michigan if he's convicted of that, independent of today's sentence.
An athletic department spokesman said Stonum remains suspended indefinitely by football coach Brady Hoke and his status has not changed with the program.
Moving his car or not, suspended license means you can't drive, period. I'm all about second chances but this guy clearly doesn't get it, especially when he's got court the next day he's pulling this crap? I love the hypocrisy of some of you guys, if the tables were turned and this happened to him and he played for MSU or TSIO we'd all be saying "kick him off the team" or commenting how soft Dantonio or Fickle are on discipline. Lucky for you guys I think Hoke doesn't play around with this stuff and I see a big exit sign in Stonum's future.
It was fun watching you play. I hope it all works out for him, but unfortunately I doubt it will... Bummer
Just can't, no way to keep him on the team without a big chunk coming out of the "benefit of the doubt" palace Hoke has built so far. It is not worth it. This season will not be hinged on his participation.
I think it would be best if he'd just stay away from cars.
And let all the facts come out. He's already indefinitely suspended, so waiting to see how it plays out legally, police reports, etc, isn't going to harm things. If we find out that he made a boneheaded mistake by just moving a car and nothing else, I say make him run some more stairs, maybe even go a bit Arrington on him, and let him prove himself again.
If there is more to it, like him being flagrent in terms of driving more than that, or any other vehicle, if he was speeding, breaking traffic laws, then yes, I think his time at Michigan is done. Hard lesson to learn, but better to lose teh rest of your college football career now before the consequences become even worse.
I've always been a Stonum supporter, but he needs to go. He is acting like Spartan getting arrested all the time. They should get him some help in a rehab or something or like that and let get his degree but I don't wanna see him in Maize and Blue anymore.