Stonum gets 10 days in jail

Does this make room for Demar Dorsey?

I'm starting to play flag football on Thursdays beginning next week.  I have 4 years of playing eligibility left.  Perhaps I could be of assistance?

He's got more important things to worry about other than football. Get it straight now, before you have a family that relies on you.

I'd be interested to know how many people are only reacting this way because they gave MSU friends so much shit over DUI stuff, and now feel embarrassed.

Sadly, I think Hoke is going to have to make the choice to move forward without Stonum.  He's had too many chances already.  Hopefully Darryl can get himself out of this cycle and get on with his life.

He's gotta go. "THIS IS MICHIGAN FERGODSAKES" means more than that we win a lot of football games. This is the kind of thing that separates us (and used to separate Notre Dame) from the unwashed masses.

I think that is why I like it here, I have plenty of company.

I really liked the redshirt punishment.  I liked it because we kept Stonum within the structure of the team.  We didn't just cut him lose and risk him spiralling down into some kind of cycle like Cissoko did.  He had structure, he had people he could reach out to, and he clearly knew what he had to do.  He had two carrots.  If he completes his parole without incident it means no time in jail and it means he is back on the team.  

Yet not only is he still driving, he's also lying to his parole officer, and skipping court ordered meetings.  I'm not even going to touch the fine thing since his family could have legit fiscal hardships, but man I wish he'd sold his car to pay for the fines.

At this point he's definitely lost the right to play for Michigan football.  If we want high character kids we're going to have to enforce the rules.  

At the end of the day despite those two carrots he found multiple ways to get himself in trouble with the judge.  His time is up.  

We'll honor his scholarship for the Winter.  So if he is really turning his life around he has the ability to graduate (he'll have 4 years) and pull a Russel Wilson.  Or to try for the pros.  We're not kicking him out in the cold, but at some point you have to draw the line.  If he is serious he has options in front of him for a fresh start somewhere else and can still make the pros.  If he wants to keep shooting himself in the foot, at some point you have to admit you can't stop him.  

Hoke has to kick him off the team doesn't he? How many more chances goes this guy get?

Without knowing his timeline of offences or the actual wording of his probation order, this is my take.  If he was driving without a licence, it's a relatively minor transgression in the big scheme of things.  If part of his court ordered porbation was that he not drive, it's a different story because he's essentially violating a court order.   Either way, good luck to this young man......he has problems and judgement issues but he falls short of being Charles Manson.

As for Arnett why do people keep thinking he even wanted to be here.  After is release he was quick to choose MSU.  He's a good player but doesn't want to be here......let it go.

BTW......don't get me wrong.  If my own kid was given a ticket for driving without a licence, the ticket would be the least of their concerns.  A minor discrection by statute would still draw the wrath of a parent!!!!

Got a 20 year old son who is clueless about life?  I was a resident advisor in a dorm at Michigan for 2 years and I can tell you that being an idiot is not that unusual amongst the young. 

I'll trust Hoke to do what makes the most sense, and hope that he finds a way to help Stonum that is focused on him as a person and not as a football player.

People saying that this is a victimless crime and it shouldn't affect his status on the team are ignoring the fact that he was EXTREMELY lucky Hoke didn't boot him in the first place. This isn't sparty. If you want to practice for another year fine, but you don't deserve to be on the field. This is Michigan.

Can't see how Hoke can keep him on the team after this -- at the press conference announcing his hiring as coach, Hoke stressed accountablity and character. He's given Stonum every chance. The kid has continued to demonstrate poor judgment. Lying to the court/law enforcement is the real clincher for me -- I just can't see how you keep him on the team after that. The only thing that will get Stonum's attention at this point is taking away football. I hope he gets the help he needs and gets his life together.

Obviously from an on-the-field standpoint this sucks -- Stonum's return next fall was one of the things we all counted on to soften the blow of losing Junior Hemingway. Our mediocre WR recruiting the last couple of years is gonna come back to haunt us. Wish we had targeted some higher-upside WR prospects in this recruiting class.

He will not be eligible regardless missing that many classes. I just hope he can continue his education. I have made worse mistakes in life drinking when boating many times. The difference is I got away with it. I was young and foolish and I would bet the judge drank and drove when he was young, which doesn't make it right. Just saying he should keep getting help and if he doesn't stop the penaltys should increase. Tough situation! Getting behind a wheel of any vehicle is stupid, and our mind is clouded when we are drunk. The key is to plan ahead before you drink to eliminate the possibility of driving. I hope he learns that. Best advice is to not drink at all.

Curious, will he actually serve 10 days?  If so, might that force him to miss the start of the semester (if it hasn't already started) and potentially be dropped from his classes?  Would his status as an active student be in jeopardy?  My apologies for not having read any articles that may answer these questions.

In my opinion Stonum has blown his last chance.  It has nothing to do with how MSU (or Iowa or Florida or anyone else) handles their cases.  He has not lived up to his legal obligations and his obligations to the University of Michigan.  Let him finish up the school year on scholarship, and add him to the "firm handshake" list.  He need not be kicked off the team, per se--he simply should not be given the opportunity of a 5th year.  I certainly agree with anyone who may think this harsh, but how many opportunities must he be given before he pays the piper?

He has lost the privilege of putting on the winged helmet every Saturday in the fall.  If the University allows him to stay enrolled then so be it, that is their decision.  But as the CEO of the football team, Hoke needs to make an example of Stonum and dismiss him, no matter how good of a player he is.  

Was it even a question when Mike Milano was kicked off the team? 

You must spare me

I don't think he leaves Hoke with much of a choice in the matter. So much for not skipping a beat at WR next year.

Well, now this sucks. I've been throwing so many daggers at Dantonio the past few years that I have to be consistent. Much as I hate to say it, but if I were Hoke, I'd boot him for good. Maybe I'd try to keep him in school, just to ensure his life not turn into a total dumpster fire, but there'd be no more football for Stonum at Michigan.

if hoke wants to demon
strate his commitment to accountability, he'll tell stonum to clear out his locker. playing for michigan is a privilege, and he has abused this privilege several times over.

here's to hoping roundtree, gallon, dileo, and darboh step up big next year.

Where are all the apologists who spent the day yesterday explaining how it's no big deal and Stonum should just run a few extra stairs?

He's got to go. It's sad. But it's the way it has to be.

His football career can continue at a smaller college. 

This isn't about his alcoholism. I think most of us agree that alcoholism is a problem best dealt with via treatment, therapy, etc. We've all know great people who've been trapped by alcoholism. But half of Stonum's problem are only tangentially related to his drinking problem. He twice violated probation. And now he has driven without a suspended license and lied to an officer of the court. He didn't do these things because of alcohol. He did them because he doesn't get it, or doesn't want to get. These things cannot be excused via "But I have a disease." He does have it. And he deserves help. But jeez.

We all know this wasn't the first time he drove on a suspended license. He had a bunch of other ways to get to the probation office (friends, bus, run, etc.). Whether or not Hoke wants to keep him on the practice squad is up to him. I would love to see the kid graduate but he should never see the Michigan Football field again.

1. NEVER drive without a valid driver's license.  Take the bus, call a cab, find dependable friend, but don't drive without a valid license.

2. NEVER, ever, under any circumstances co-sign an auto loan. It's simply not worth it.   Save up the cash and buy the car out right.  You're just begging for financial and relationship problems and I'm shocked how many adult parents do this for their kids.  Don't believe me that it's a bad idea? Watch every third episode of Judge Judy, you'll see what I mean.

I guess one way to look at it is what would you want the punishment to be for your kid if he/she found him or her self in this situation?

Very tough case with lots of shades of grey. We do not know the entire story. I think Hoke will do his best to make the right decision for his team and for Daryll Stonum.

Whatever happens I hope he learns from it.

Bye bye Stonum. Good luck with whatever you choose.

Soo many holier than thou Michigan fans..