Stoneburner and Mewhort suspended indefinitely
I hope this hasn't been previously posted, but both Stoneburner and Mewhort are now suspended indefinitely after their arrest.
Although the suspensions are somewhat surprising to me, I'm sure the Athletic Department figures that the last thing it needs right now is more negative press. I'd bet they will be reinstated before the Big Ten schedule hits, if not earlier. But either way, this is a significant blow to the offense. Both were projected to be starters.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/1…
Before B1G??? As you hinted at, I bet they are re-instated before the season opener... they will run extra stadium stairs, etc during Summer Camp. We'll see if this is more serious than them not giving up the name of their drunk friend, but it's JUNE fergodsakes!
There is no way in hell these guys miss the first game. Maybe Urban will do something lame and worthless, like suspend them for the first half of the first game, but that's about it. They will receive their punishment during summer workouts, which of course means nothing.
Nor should they in my opinion. I put this in the same camp as Will Campbell's graceful hood-slide. Its stupid college kids being stupid college kids and nothing that some community service and sprints shouldn't be able to take care of.
I know I've pissed in an alley in CBus, no big deal. Better than rape, arson, murder and rape.
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If you don't get the joke, sorry, but please don't bash me for this.
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Would you say that you're a full on rapist?
Does anybody think this is a PR move to try and get BWC suspended for his little incident?
Frankly, I think denting someone's hood is slightly worse than urinating in public just considering the property damage and charges involved. If this forces Hoke's hand into suspending BWC for the Alabama game, I will be pissed...but I will give an indignant and sarcastic golf clap for Meyer.
It's Meyer who has been carefully following Hoke's lead, not the other way around. First he starts showing up late with offers for Michigan commits and now he emulates Hoke's handling of the Josh Furman situation.
Also urinating in public can land an individual on the sex offender's list. Sliding across or falling onto a car hood (depending on who you believe) is not a sex offense.
I hate that urinating in public can get you on the sex offenders list. I get it. If you pee on the front lawn of an elementary school during school hours...fine. But to lump a dude who tried to pee in an alley with people who rape and molest is simply wrong.
I hear NASA uses these...
I think the sex offender's list punishment is only applicable when it is charged as an indecent exposure. This was charged as obstructing officials, so they really only got charged for running from the cops, not the urinating in public and it is only a misdemeanor.
Does it count as obstructing officials if the exchange went something like this:
Cop: Turn around and face me.
Stoneburner: Umm, kind of busy...
Cop: Turn around now!
Stoneburner: Dude, I can't just turn it off!!!
Cop: Last warning before I arrest you!
Stoneburner: I'm trying, but it's like <insert plugging a firehose with something small joke here>
Cop: You're under arrest!
Stoneburner: :(
"Also urinating in public can land an individual on the sex offender's list. Sliding across or falling onto a car hood (depending on who you believe) is not a sex offense."
This is why I also keep my pants zipped when urinating in public. Even though it's a bit embarrassing to pee my pants at my age, it just not worth risking the indecent exposure charge.
Yeah, I bet they had a closed door meeting yesterday and spent hours determining the best strategy to force Hoke's hand.
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Maybe Meyer spent his off-year taking game theory classes and studying prisoner's dilemma in preparation for coaching at Ohio St.
The article over at 10TV.com provides a little more detail -
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/06/03/shawnee-hills-jake-stoneburner
According to this, had Stoneburner and Mewhort simply stopped peeing and not run off, then they would have received a mere citation. Further, one of the pursuing officers fell and broke his thumb, which could have taken the charges to a different plane, I guess, but they decided not to go down that road.
The Blade article linked in the CBS Sports story also says that while their arraignment is June 11th, they want to attempt to resolve the case before then, and I imagine there is a chance that they do just that.
Still, if Meyer wanted to send a message that this isn't the same old Meyer and that this may not be the Ohio that you remember, then this is a pretty good way to do it. They'll certainly find their way back into Ohio athletic facilities and onto the field soon, I am sure (because, still...really? Urinating in public?), but at least he is trying to establish that there is a doghouse in which you can find yourself.
My guess is that they sit out the first series of the Miami (OH) game. Then Urban can crow to the press about how "serious" he is concerning team discipline.
There is another, bigger issue here, though. Meyer didn't get a lot of MSM heat for his players' "troubles" in Gainesville. In Columbus, though, every incident is national news. I hope that the increased scrutiny that Meyer seems to be getting when his players run afoul of the law frustrates him into quitting soon.
My guess: he quits after a "disappointing" 2013 for "family reasons."
Looks like Meyer's bitch ass is trying to do the right thing.
How does a D1 tight end get caught after running away? Were these SEC cops?
how a man can stop his pee in mid-stream and start running? They may be D1 athletes, but they must have pro level prostates.
I think you guys are giving Meyer too much credit... they'll be reinstated before fall camp starts... ala the ND receiver who I can't think of from last year because I haven't had enough caffeine yet.
Yes, this is just like the Michael Floyd situation. Being "suspended" when there are no team activities going on is pretty meaningless.
Meaningless? Not so. I heard Urban also banned them from Friday movie night and they get no dessert at the training table.
I'm kinda surprised everyone is focusing on the urinating in public part, which rightly so is a petty offense. The real problem here is they ran from the cops. That's what separates this from a boys will be boys type situation (say sliding across a car hood or driving through a parking gate). Cops and prosecutors generally don't look kindly on these things. The fact the chief of police broke his thumb in the pursuit is just (hilarious) icing on the cake.
Props to Urban for holding the line. I know it may be painful to give him credit, but I will when it's due. If the charges turn out to be serious, and he turns around and reinstates them immediately anyway, then I'll bitch like everybody else. But it's good to see coaches holding players accountable.
As a poster above suggested:
How do you get suspended from voluntary workouts?
What meaning does this suspension have unless games are involved? Until i hear that this is the case, I must assume that the suspension is just a cheap PR gimmick---like just about everything that comes out of Ohio.
Indefinite suspension is just that--indefinite. If the facts show significant infractions, and yet they're reinstated for Fall practice, then I'll judge that when it happens. For now, this seems an appropriate action at the appropriate time. I wouldn't want to be pre-judged and I won't pre-judge Urban or anyone else for what he has or hasn's done yet. Present and past actions are open for review. Not the future.
.As you suggest, we can only judge the worth of this particular "suspension" in the future. However, it seems to me that you yourself were pre-judging the so-called "suspension" when you initially said "Props to Urban for holding the line". I cannot see what line had been held, in the absence of any meaningful suspension.
Granted, I also cannot yet see if there be a need for one. However, based on the history of Ohio and the criminal acts of his Urban's players at Florida, I cannot help being skeptical. I am not so confident that---even in other, more serious cases-- Urban will do the right thing.
I hope you and others will consider, rather than suppress, my argument--as was done in my previous post. Otherwise, it is harder for interested readers to follow the discussion..
I'm not sure if Urbs and the rest of OSU has a choice not to suspend all misconducts. In my mind, nothing has changed at OSU!! The NCAA has failed at policing this football program.
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??!?!
I ask the following question because I'm deep into "The Essential Smart Football" book and all I think about nowadays are X's and O's ...
Anyone willing to speculate on how Stoneburner at TE would have projected into Meyer's offense? A few years ago the answer might have been "not at all" ... but I get the sense "the spread" (whatever that really means nowadays) is evolving yet again.
My sense is Stoneburner is one of those TEs that can find seams in defensive zones. I don't think Braxton Miller is primarily known as a deep threat. Having a squirrely TE that gets open when Miller is using his legs to evade pressure would be a good thing.
All this plays into the suspension-duration question.
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