ESPN.com is reporting that Jake Stoneburner and Jack Mewhort have had their athletic scholarships removed after being charged with obstruction of official police business. They pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of disorderly conduct. Urban Meyer has stated that they will have a chance to "earn" their scholarships back after the summer. My question is simple... Is this a real punishment? Or, is this a "Hey, as long as you don't do anything else dumb you'll be in uniform game one." type of situation. Link: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8059261/coach-urban-meyer-removes-scholarships-two-ohio-state-buckeyes
Stoneburner and Mewhort have athletic scholarships removed.
Definitely only temporarily, they'll be on the active roster after the Summer term. They will apparently will have to pay out-of-pocket for this term, likely six credit hours. That should leave them with a bill around $1500 each, Ohio has to be around $250 a credit hour. Highly doubt they can register unless that bill is paid. If strings have to be pulled then they will be. Expect them on the field for the first game.
How much OSU memorabilia do they have to sell to make $1500?
don't give away the final exam questions
Last I checked OSU is on a quarter system, which means the summer counts as a full quarter. Tuition for a quarter is $3000, unless they are taking less than full-time hours in which case you'd be correct.
I'm just not entirely sure that a ~$1500 estimate is accurate.
Also, I don't view the monetary payment as the most serious consequence, at least not in the long run. Stoneburner and Mewhort won't be able to practice with their teammates throughout the whole summer. This is especially detrimental to Stoneburner since a new offense is being installed and he needs as many snaps as possible with Braxton to develop chemistry.
The final quarter at OSU ended 2 weeks ago. There is a shortened session beginning this week, and semesters will begin in August.
They are switching to semesters beginning in August.
"Had their scholarships removed" isn't the same as "had their keys to the athletic complex confiscated".
This seems a bit extreme for public urination/disorderly conduct. College kids make some stupid decisions sometimes--this seems pretty benign, as these things go. I'd be surprised if they don't earn their way back on the team and into their scholarships. And rightly so.
This has the added benefit of making Urban look like he's serious about discipline (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).
Urban's playing good cop, bad cop.
He's notorious for playing favorites on his teams...
This sounds a lot worse than it is. While it is a punishment and I commend Meyer...I know he also has a motive behind the punishment and it has nothing to do with the players in questions.
Also, what if these guys decide not to take a full summer course load? What if they're ahead in credits anyway and this just puts them "back" with their regular class? And in the end, they both come from reasonably (or better) well-off families. It's nothing the parents can't take care of.
This punishment would refute the favoritism argument because these are two upperclassmen leaders about whom Urban speaks very highly, and Stoneburner would tend to be considered one of his "favorites".
when your public urination "interferes with official police business."
Disturbing visual, that.
That's probably like hammer is coming, and...nope you missed it that time. But we'll see. Would they be losing their scholarships during the part of the year that they don't need scholarships and then having them returned once they do? Or will they actually have to pay for something?
Hey, at least they won't be obstructing any police officers for two and a half months...
I hope for their sake they can earn that cash this summer.
Surely someone has a lawn that needs cutting for the bargain basement price of $200.
So, they lose schollies for bad behavior then have the chance to get them back for good behavior? Or will performance evaluation factor into it? With these two, maybe a moot point, but this method seems ripe for abuse.
Meyer was known for having criminals at Florida, so I think this is a thinly veiled effort to make people think he's serious about discipline. The kids will probably get their scholarships back, but hey...Brady Hoke did a similar thing to Darryl Stonum (whose punishment was more serious because he was a repeat offender), and Stonum ended up screwing up again and getting booted.
I say kudos to Meyer for trying to scare the kids straight.
The difference between the Stonum situation and this is that Hoke was trying to teach him a lesson without throwing him to the curb. He was suspended for the season but had the opportunity to come back if he showed improvement. Obviously his crime was a lot worse but this is obviously a ploy to make Meyer look "tough" when they really aren't going to miss any games, workouts, etc. They lose (according to the person above) $1500, at most, which can easily be paid for by parents or the money they get here and there from "jobs" and charity events.
I'm pretty sure Stonum never lost his scholarship. Just wasn't "on" the team during that period
So, for guys who did a lesser crime and aren't repeat offenders, they're essentially getting fined $1,500. Yeah, I know the situations are different (season vs. offseason, etc.), but as someone else said, we would be totally in support of Brady Hoke and proclaiming his stern disciplinarian role if this were Michigan.
Of course they will be back. Meyer used to coach in the SEC fergodsakes!
Better pray to God of skinny punks.
It's amazing how close the car behind comes to hitting the car that stops.
"They can work out at the team's facility but not with their fellow teammates during the summer."
To me, that means that the chances of them being able to make a relatively seamless transition back to being scholarship athletes is pretty high, so this definitely seems like a temporary move.
Nonetheless, discipline, even if during a part of the year when a move such as this seems a bit disingenuous (given the history of Meyer and discipline), is discipline and I will give Meyer a little credit for trying to impress upon these kids that the scholarship is a privilige that can be removed (or at least giving people the impression that this is the idea).
Does this also mean they have to pay for school until re-instated?
That strikes me as a real, and perhaps overly-harsh punishment for peeing outside.
I think it's the flee not the pee that is causing the harshness of the penalty. Based on legal language, I'd be hard pressed to find a guy who hasn't urinated in public, however I am acquainted with very few gents who have attempted to flee a police officer.
Maybe Meyer decided that if they can't even outrun a police officer, they aren't fast enough to be on his team.
I urinate in public about 2 or 3 times a week. It's probably one of my favorite things to do.
If elected, legalizing public urination (as long as exposing oneself is avoided) would be my first task. Sometimes I'll avoid a perfectly good bathroom just to indulge. It's the one thing I envy about homeless people.
"I am acquainted with very few gents who have attempted to flee a police officer."
Spoke like a man who never had AAPD raid a house party.
Point taken, still, I can't ever remember fleeing police in their endeavor of breaking up a party. Most party's I went to were keggers; No reason to futily attempt to evade anyone on such occasions.
I blame lack of effort, top end speed.
"Based on legal language, I'd be hard pressed to find a guy who hasn't urinated in public..."
Wait, what's the legal definition of "urinating in public?" Does it differ from, you know, just "urinating in public?"
Confession time; I don't know the precise legal definition of UIP, but a couple of buddy's of mine were ticketed for said offense behind a 7-11 in Romulus. For them, it was hilarious and embarrassing at the same time. Lotsa snickers in the court room.
Yeah. Same- when I was visiting Michigan as a 17 year old, I got a UIP from DPS. I was really embarassed; I'd grown up in the middle of nowhwere and actually didn't think it was a crime as long as you weren't exposing yourself, etc. Obviously, I was an idiot.
Yeah, the legal term is "Public Urination." It's a pretty important difference.
I know Stoneburner's parents are very wealthy (they live on the course where the Memorial Tournament is held) , so maybe this is just a chance for Urbs to look like a disciplinarian and free up a scholarship at the same time. Isn't he a Senior too? He can become the example of dedication to the team. Jake has bought in so much he has literally bought in to the program.
Edit: I guess the scholarship idea makes less sense if he is a Senior, but I'm sure something shady is happening.
also get a house on the same golf course? So he's doing this to one of the neighbor's kids. Hmm
I dislike OSU but Stoneburner has given his all for the team and for him to even have the threat (even if it's a weak threat) to lose his scholarship over something like this is stupid. I'd understand if he had a DUI or was caught with an AK47 (like clarett) but for peeing on a wall? This doesn't make me respect Urban Meyer, I hate him even more.
Urban will NEVER be allowed into MY Circle of Trust!
After they were in jail, Mewhort wanted to call Meyer and tell him about the situation. Stoneburner tried to stop Mewhort because Meyer would be pissed. That went on until Mewhort asked a very astute question: "Do you really want him to find out from someone else?"
It turns out there was a video camera with audio recording them. The tape was released to the media.
I'm guessing Urban isn't happy that one of his senior leaders was recorded encouraging players to hide things from him.
Suspended while no team activities are going on. LAME! I bet they are reinstated by the time conditioning and practice starts
If given the same circumstances, Hoke did the same thing, I'd think it was a good move. And in my hypothetical, if the players earned their scholarships back, I'd be happy about the situation overall. Meyer seems to be sending a message, but not being overly harsh for what seems, from the outside, a relatively minor incident compared to much that goes on. I'll give Meyer credit on this one. I hope that he cleans up the program (I'll believe it when I see it, but this looks, again--from the outside, like a positive first step). People like to talk about the respect that each team has for the other in this rivalry, but it's been difficult to have much respect for Ohio or its fan base. I, for one, would like to have a reason to give them more respect, and to also feel like we're competing on a level playing field (forgive the cliche).
This is not a big deal and feigning outrage over the punishment is a little ridiculous.
They are lucky they aren't on the sex offender's list for this.
But they seem to be more lenient with students. A buddy of mine from freshman year peed down the stairs in the stadium in the middle of the Notre Dame game. He got arrested but only got an MIP. While he was locked up we all signed his white board on his door stating we understood we were living near a sex offender (as a joke) but luckily he didn't get the "sex offender" tag. I don't know how he didn't though.
Wait, did your friend just stand in the aisle, whip it out, and just start peeing straight down the stairs in the middle of a game? That has to be one of the boldest public urination stories I have ever heard.
That is precisely what he did. We tried to stop him but he kept insisting "its okay they don't care." Needless to say some people did.
Haha, the ol' drunken "no, it's cool..."
I have a feeling that kid was a really fun guy to hang out with when drunk. That's hilarious.
Was that in South Bend or Ann Arbor?
Ann Arbor 2005.
Oh look, it's Urban Meyer trying to create the illusion that he's punishing kids.
As noted, very likely a combination of "good cop / bad cop" and an attempt to send a message ... within the team and outside the team.
What I wonder is whether Meyer views Stoneburner as a key part of his offense. Taking "tough" action against a third-stringer is one thing; taking it against a key first-stringer is another.
I've always liked Stoneburner -- first, I like his name; and second, I can't recall any trash-talking BS on his part ... he just seems to play the game and do it fairly well. OSU or not, I admire that.
Aren't there usually two cops in the good cop/bad cop scenario?
I'm skepitcal of Meyer's motivations here. Saban cleared his roster with medical hardships, Meyer always seemed to trim it at Florida with "team rules violations".
Consider this, one of Meyer's top DTs (Wilson) pulled an AK-47 out of his trunk and fired it. He'd gotten into a fight at a club and fired it off to discourage the people following him from calling 911. He was allowed back on the team. Other guys were removed from the team over a little weed. The guys removed of course were buried on the two deep.
If Mewhort and Stoneburner are judged unneeded, I bet they don't make it back onto the team. If they are needed, they'll play of course. We'll see though. It's also kind of a bad punishment removing them team workouts IMHO. Suspend them for games, but keep them in the structured enviroment of the team.
That's how I see it. Unfortunately, it gives him room to move. Or are we all being too cynical? This is the guy who kicked a young Cam Newton off the team for stealing laptops. World around Florida's campus (my wife attended) was that it was not Cam's choice as he purports, but a final straw for Florida.
Course it's also the guy who supposedly let star players dictate practices over assistant coaches, per former players. My guess is they learn from the experience and find their way on the field.
Urbie knows this
Had their athletic scholarships removed and have been immediately placed on a full academic scholarship instead. This frees up 2 scholarships for Meyer's incoming class and everyone at Ohio State wins.
Please say you don't know that.
Can't be given to football players because it's an obvious way to skirt the 85 man scholarship limit.
pretty sure there are rules against that so I'm just going to assume you're being sarcastic.
I've been under a rock lately and had no idea what these guys were in trouble for. But seriously? Public urination? (raises hand) I'm guilty too! Glad I'm not currently receiving scholarship benefits, cuz they'd be revoked if they found out what I regularly do when I leave bars. And dont tell me this happened in Columbus either, cuz honestly, have any one of you swung a dead cat in that town without hitting 3 buckeye fans taking a dump or a piss? Impossible. Hell, just driving through ohio makes me want to stop and pee on every building. Especially those stupid bicentennial barns. No story here.
This isn't even a real punishment if they aren't taking summer classes. As we all have come to see, scholarships are one-year renewable. So, at this point, Meyer has said they won't get that scholarship back for the 2012-2013 school year. Does any one actually believe they won't get that scholarship reinstated the second they are due to be turned in?
This "punishment" looks great in the eyes of the public that has no idea how scholarships work. In reality, it's nothing more than words.
This was not really a big deal.
Which is perfect because they really don't deserve any punishment further than extra conditioning, but this makes Urbs look like he's crackin down.
Urbie making it seem he is being hard. They will be back come time to report for first practice. They can't be with the team basically and that's all. If they are not taking any classes in summer, they're out no money.
Both are big time contributors to the team and both starters. I believe Meyer said Stoneburner has a chance to be All-American this year after he gets done with him.
The real punishment is exclusion from working with the team. Both are taking classes this summer that they'll now have to pay for, but both of their families seem to be able to handle it. Meyer has repeatedly mentioned these guys as two of our best offensive players. Has said that Mewhort is our best OL and that Stoneburner is one of the two best playmakers. This means they go the entire summer with no watching film with the rest of the offense, no running routes with Braxton at the WHAC, no working on plays with the rest of the 2 deep. Players at major programs can't be coached in the summer, but they re normally working with their position group every day. These guys can't now and that hurts us going forward. For peeing outside, it's not exactly a wink wink nudge punishment.
I hate to say it but I agree with you. I hadn't thought of this before; my initail response was that it was just a wink wink nudge thing. But now, I feel like this is tough but fair punishment by Meyer (if they hadn't run I don't think it would be as big a problem and the punishment would be unfair). Thanks for the good input and being a rational buckeye fan (I'm used to encountering the crazy bunch of fans that every team has, Michigan included).
Hey now, the phrase "rational buckeye" is trademarked. I haven't received my royalty check from you yet.
when they start to compete for their positions in the fall with less recent team contact than even the incoming freshmen.
If scholarships are annual renewable then weren't these courses paid for as part of their previous registration when they were on scholarship? Show proof that their parents pay even one cent for classes. Also, I know I had to resign my scholarship every August but that never excluded me, or a walk on from participating any summer workout. I don't see why they wouldn't be full go with all team workouts just because they "might not" get on scholarship in the fall. This nothing more than a sternly worded warning to them not to screw up again. I have no opinion whether this is a fair punishment but I do not believe this will cost them any money nor miss one minute of film/workouts.
was given to me at the beginning of every term, which I'm pretty sure is standard practice (I would think it would be common sense that a college shouldn't give a student a lump sum upwards of $24000 during the first quarter). So I think they now have to pay somewhere close to $3000, depending on the number of credit hours they're enrolled in.
Also I'm pretty certain that DenverBuckeye isn't alluding that the two players won't practice at full intensity, but rather they are now barred from practicing with their teammates. Meaning, Stoneburner can't run routes with Braxton Miller nor can Mewhort develop chemistry with the rest of his relatively young O-line.
This is the truly harmful part of this punishment.
Yes, it sucks that they have to pay for the summer term now, but I don't think it's nearly as harmful as them losing the reps that they could've had with the team during the summer.
For not a real crime. This seems like an appropriate warning to give them.
He's using this to free up scholarships.
It's a roster move. Someone else is going to run the routes and do the work this summer. He's part coaching part wheeling and dealing these kids. Once on scholarship this sort of power game for such a minor infraction is classless.
I prefer the Hoke way administered through the graces of Wellman and 45 lb plates in AM workouts.
Ticket sales would be tough.
Now if you changed it to "what if all of the fans that were stupid enough to get caught urinating in public were banned", you could still fill the stadiums.
As someone above guessed, maybe Stoneburner & Mewhort are known knuckleheads that Meyer worries about. Perhaps this is his way to keep them ON the team.
whether or not they are going to be reinstated, this is more than i expected from meyer. he earned a notch of respect in my book. that puts him at notch one. i really just expected a slap on the wrist.