It looks bad right now but I still love RR. Talk of firing him and bringing in Kelly or Harbaugh or Miles is totally ridiculous. I mean, even though they are not winning right now the improvement over last year is quite obvious. RR will win a NT here some day therefore I am staying on the bandwagon. Go Blue!
Still Love RR
I am completely behind him. I believe he is a better coach than either Harbaugh or Miles. This is more of a tear-down than any of us imagined.
and at least he's not an ASS like Bilema.
Or Danny Hope, or Dantonio...
He just needs some defensive players in key possitions with size and quickness. Our d-backs are undersized and get beat way too often. They play them so far off the ball that our opponents can gain almost 10 yards a play. Next season I want to see Justin Turner and the likes playing out there.
we have no control over what happens in the AD, the locker room, or on the field. why get bent out of shape? this will get better.
Who's bent out of shape? I'm taking it like a man. Easy to do knowing the future is so bright.
But the AD may be the tipping point. Quite a few active ADs in the country are part of the Bo Family Tree, which could spell trouble for RR. I hope things won't come to that, and it's obviously just speculation.
RR needs time to turn this around. Impatience was bred from the Michigan Elite of the last 40 years. It was a great run, but it's sputtered, so we need to take a step back, relax, and enjoy basketball....
Bo liked RR. Being associated with him doesn't necessarily indicate anything.
If what you say is true then Bo's Boys around the league may not adhere to their mentor's ideals about RR, especially now that he's apassed on. Regardless, this was speculation to begin with (mostly from a conversation me a few friends had the other day). I severely doubt that it will even come to fruition.
I'm just really curious as to where you heard about Bo liking RR. If there's an article or something that quotes him that'd be interesting.
There must have been a misunderstanding. I don't think I ever said Bo liked RR. It happens.
I don't know if I can find a link, but people who were connected at the time can confirm that Bo greatly admired RR's offense at WVU and - privately - wished to see us move in that direction. Bo would never criticize Carr or his system in public, but was growing concerned about our gradually diminishing rushing output over his tenure.
this meme of bo loving rr should stop....bo would have loveeeeddd to see us in the cellar of the big ten while going 8-15 in two years.
as the knowledge would say
1. I have it on good authority that Bo indeed was an admirer of RR's when he was at WVa. I highly doubt that you have any information that contradicts this.
2. I think it may be in your best interests to take a little break from following Michigan football here. Your posts have taken on a very bitter, sarcastic tone. Do you still enjoy posting here?
We can still silence all the nonbelievers next week. I really think we a have great shot at beating the tosu. I even feel more confident than I did going into the psu and illini games. We'll see. GOD BLESS!
You just said you were done with this team 10 minutes ago.
I thought you were "officially done".
Mood swing much?
Maybe mods should institute a 1500 point minimum for starting new threads.
that Harvey Dent posted on MGoBlog?
Tate, Roundtree, and Matthews connected well throughout the first half, while Vincent Smith showed some flashes of Mike Hart. The second half was swallowed up by Wisconsin's painstakingly long drives (the first taking over five minutes of the third quarter). It'll all put itself together sooner or later.
I'm incredibly excited about V. Smith's future!! That kid is absolutely friggin exciting to watch.
Excited about Roundtree, too!
He's going to be a stud in the future...the near future.
that we, as Michigan, are now resorting to "moral victories." Save those for MSU, we want REAL victories. Fact of the matter is that we couldn't score from 1 yard out, couldn't turn an INT in Wisconsin territory into a TD or else we'd have had this game in hand before half time. The D showed up the first half, the O floudered two scoring opportunities. And for God's sake, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR FIELD GOAL KICKING?!
Sorry...rant over. So frustrated.
*grumbles something about hating living in Columbus these past 5 years*
I don't really think you could say we'd have had the game in hand going into halftime. I mean, have you watched our defense?
Our offense is, at times, giving us enough to win. Our defense is the reason we're losing.
We need posts like these to pop up... not the ones that ESPN jsut happens to catch where some idiot troll goes off about how he spent 5069354830 years of his life watching Michigan football, decided to make an MGOBLOG account right after a rough game, and post up some nonsense about wanting RR,Greg Robinson, and all the defensive coaches all fired, and then complaining about how recruiting isn't up to MICHIGAN standards and how we're not getting that 5 star talent that we need to Michigan.
That being said. HOLD THE ROPE. Have hope, patience, and all will be well soon.
I'm still All In for Michigan and I hope there will be many others too.
Right on. "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions". Can't wait to see how fast people come jumping back on the bandwagon.
I can still get shit on everyday as a Michigan fan WHILE riding the bandwagon. I love Michigan so much that it ticks my wife off that I cancel dinner plans to watch Michigan athletics. That being said, I live in hell (Columbus, OH) and take shit everyday from OSU fans. I take it in stride, but if I want to vent some pent up frustration to someone who loves the boys in blue as much as me then, damn it, I should be able to. I don't say fire Rich Rod or anything like that, I just want some freakin' progress that isn't a "moral victory." The team has completely lost focus and gets mentally beat down so easily. They are less than a shadow of our traditional teams who fought so hard. We lost to teams with INFERIOR talent. I don't care what some people are saying about our talent (I know we lost alot) - our talent is still better than Illinois, Wisconsin, even Iowa. We just need to play to our potential, and that's my major complaint. This team is a bunch of mental babies - giving up easily. Carr may have been pissed or stressed on the sidelines, but I never EVER saw him make the whiny, self-loathing faces that I saw RR make today. I'm behind RR 100%, but he needs to get these boys tougher.
you must not read this blog because it is a consensus among the rational that we, in fact, are the ones with inferior talent on defense.
we lost to teams with inferior talent! are you serious? maybe i just look at things differently. while we do have talent in areas we do not "field" the best team on the field. it takes all 11 on the field at the time to win. our secondary has been ugly at times, our offensive line has been ugly at times. so while our ranting and raving among those of us who love BLUE is accepted please keeps things in better perspective. thanks for listening to my rant!
Apparently no one read your previous post that was yanked. I assume one of them is a joke? Do you have a split personality? I recall someone else giving that response to you about "Those who stay..." Stranger things have happend I guess.
I too am still all in! Being an "M" fan is not a fad, but more of a way of life. WIN, LOSE, GOOD, or BAD, I will still support this team. THOSE WHO STAY, WILL BE CHAMPIONS! Remember this!
Could be worse, we could be ND. A team with incredible talent that can't get the job done. Seriously!
the improvement over last year is obvious? is it really?
We have 4 wins over D1-a teams. 2 of them are bad MAC teams and another is indiana.
On top of that, what about the fact that this team is showing absolutely zero improvement throughout the course of the season?
The improvement is in:
points per game
yards per game
passing yards per game
completion percentage and unforced turnover margin
net punting yardage
field goals scored
field goal percentage scored
only one of those categories is relevant: wins.
we have 2 more wins than last year and 1 of those is because we have played Del St. (a mediocre FCS team) instead of Utah (12-0 last yr). So basically we have 1 more win overall and 1 less win in the big ten.
To call that obvious or significant improvement is a huge stretch. Take a step back and look at the team realistically.
"Look at the team realistically?" You're allowed to throw out wins to try and defend your stance, when Sean already proved you wrong on the "absolutely zero improvement" claim?
We've got two more wins than last year (even if one of them was against Baby Seal U), we've had close losses against good teams like Iowa, and in the course of one season our offense has gone from Nick Sheridan as our best option to a team with a promising albeit young group of quarterbacks and receivers that has pulled a few miracle comebacks off already.
That seems like improvement over last year's trainwreck of a season to me.
So, realistically, if there are no obvious or significant improvements, then you think last year's team could hang more than 63 on Delaware State? Interesting. Also, all of our "cupcake" MAC teams last year we either lost to or beat 16-6. But yeah, I am sure there is no obvious improvements.
you're really using the fact that we beat up on deleware state to prove your point that we're a better team. thats pretty weak, man.
This is the really worrisome issue. The defense played reasonably well against Iowa and MSU. Then when facing lesser Big 10 offenses like Purdue and Illinois, everything falls apart and they allow deluges of points.
I don't see growth and improvement over the course of the season on the defensive side of the ball and that points to poor position coaching. After this season I hope to see Hopson move on and Gibson move to coach a different position (special teams perhaps?). Hopefully RR can bring in top notch position coaches in their place.
It's much easier for an easily confused secondary to play against power run teams with mediocre running attacks(Iowa and MSU) than spread teams, even bad spread teams like Purdue and Illinois. Thus, regression.
There is no regression. The defense has improved this year and played a great first half, aside from the first drive and the roughing penalty. That was kind of a fluke since we had two guys too close to getting the block.
I'm so sick of the fact that we have to have these threads so people can reiterate how much they love our coach and everybody else can pat them on the back for their "All In"!-ness.
HOW CONSTRUCTIVE OF YOU HOMESLICE I WOULD LIKE A LEAFLET
Did someone put a gun to your head and make you read this thread and respond?
I think it can come together, but I'm worried about the coach and the team folding under the pressure of turning the program around. If this team does not turn things around significantly next year, I think RRod will be fired, no matter what the administration is saying now.
I think you're right, anything less than a 7-5 season next year will probably get him fired. That's sad. He really needs a couple more years to get it going, but if he can't get a working defense then we may be fighting for 6-6 next season. 3 bad seasons in a row = unemployment line. But, again, I hope that's not the case.
Unless there are huge numbers of injuries, a Michigan team should be able to win seven games in a normal rebuilding year. Rodriguez will have had 2.5 recruiting classes, plus inherited talent, to improve the team and install his system. It shouldn't necessarily be fully running, but it should, at least, be able to field a team that meets the lowest level of expectation Michigan fans had for Lloyd Carr.
I've always been an RR supporter, and still am, but I don't love the guy. In fact i'm really pissed off and have been for some time. argh
I'd like to know why you're pissed off. I don't think he handles the media well and I think he's a little too emotional when the team is down. Other than that, I like the way he's done a lot of things. I really like that he's been consistent with the 4th down play calls and the discipline.
we're 8-15 since the beginning of last year. that's the main reason i'm pissed off. I want us to be Michigan again.
you dont love rich rod?
seriously dont break your ankles now jumping off the bandwagon. god.
I wish he cared an ounce about defense.
I am still clinging to hope that this will work and have resigned myself to waiting it out through next year, but you still love him? That's impressive dedication or delusion, not sure which one. If it works for you though, more power to you. I kind of hate him now on a purely reactional, emotional level. I'll be back to cautiously optimistic by Tuesday though. (I hope)
why do you love rr?? I mean, I don't hate him and the transition wasn't his fault. but isn't "love" a very very strong word at this point in time
It's just where I'm at right now. Doesn't mean I am happy about the team's performance. However, you can choose your attitude and I am choosing to remain optimistic. No sense in hating on the guy for installing a new system.
good post and i love RR as well.
The Michigan program needed to do a mental 180 from where they were. While the wins may not be there yet, rest assured that it can be attributed to lack of talent and inexperience rather than work ethic.
I'm proud to be a fan of a Michigan team that busts their ass win or lose. The scary thing is what RR is going to do when he gets more talent and experience.
We went 9-4 and won our bowl game...
And with the talent we had on Offense that year we should have been playing for a National Title berth longer than the 2nd quarter of the first game. The late Lloyd years we got slow and unmotivated, even with phenomenal talent. That is what we needed a break from, and losing this much hasn't been fun, but I'll take it for the promise of future greatness.
If you subscribe to the school of thought that two straight losing, no-bowl seasons were absolutely necessary for "the promise of future greatness"...
I really disliked the late Lloyd years because we were never going to beat anyone with better talent. The team would always take at least one upset a year because of the tressel-ball we played. I realize we beat Florida his last year, but we were preseason #5 and had a TON of offensive talent and we played the SPREAD to beat them.
Let's be honest - the team and the playcalling that beat Florida was not at all the same as they were throughout the year. There was a difference in personnel as well as something added to the offensive side of the ball. I will let you figure out what was different.
is it that chad henne was healthy??? did that affect it??
Given our record over the last two years, we surely have done a 180. Not sure I would agree that we needed it.
I really think you really need to reconsider your post. The teams in the past might have not always won every game or gotten all of the results the fans wanted, but I absolutely guarantee that those players busted their asses every fucking day. I'm positive that we didn't need a 180 degree from that standpoint
This is one of the biggest insults you can issue. I mean, the players under Lloyd won Big 10 championsships, BCS bowl games, and even a national championship.
All of us as Michigan fans want RR to achieve that level of success.
I for one am absolutely sick and tired of seeing Lloyd Carr repeatedly thrown under the bus to try to boost RR's credibility. Did these people even watch those Lloyd Carr teams?
With the crowd I've labeled as TDoR (The Defenders of Rodriguez). It's not enough just to support him--it comes (from them) with the belief that if you question or criticize Rodriguez, you either don't know anything, or you are (insert a bunch of insults).
And the incessant trashing of players, Lloyd Carr and Mike Gittleson, Mike Debord, et al who were associated with Lloyd Carr and his HORRIBLE 122-40, five B10 titles, multiple 10-win seasons, and oh yeah--that pesky mistake known as a national championship.
And the justification and rationalization is getting about sickening. I read more than a couple posts about "improvement" being shown against Purdue. Oh really? Last year's team, IIRC, lost to them on the last play of the game 48-42. Seems like both games mirrored each other pretty closely. I Can't see how the Purdue game is ANY kind of barometer of imporvement.
Now, I feel there has been improvement--but that is just a feeling that things are turning and another year should see a significant improvement in all phases of the game.
All in for another year--but if next year goes like this, and he fails to go 8-4 at LEAST--then I'm not ever going to be convinced that this will work.
It's simple to me: Great coaches do great things. They don't force their supporters into being human excuse machines.
2 years in a row...
And lets not forget that our starting QB has been playing through injuries and a concussion for a long time now.
Hey Mr. The King, I'm just curious. I know it wasn't really much in doubt, but did you just officially out yourself as the Barking Sphincter here with the whole tDoR acryonym?
Also, what's your deal? Do you like Michigan but hate RichRod? Or like both Michigan and RichRod but just like to wind up tDoR? Or something else. I really am interested. Because you spend an awful lot of time on this site, and I still can't tell if you really like Michigan sports.
LOVE Michigan--born and raised there.
My feelings on Rodriguez: Want like hell for him to succeed--why should I not?
I see the blind faith in him as just a bit misguided. There's something wrong in Ann Arbor right now--not yet rotten--and I'll figure it out because I always have my ear to the ground.
As for TDor--they need someone brave enough to challenge them. Brave enough to take on the formidable challenge they pose--expecially when they call everyone else "dicks"
That is some formidable intellectual artillery there.
as they say "+1 to you sir"
i would give alot more if i could.
how quickly we forget michigan football's success wasnt measured by how close we kept the games.....
is not the offense. That's clearly improving. But he is hands off with the defense. He needs a really strong D coordinator.
And while the jury is still out on GRob, it's hard to have a lot of confidence based on the defense so far and the nature of his hiring.
He's a great coach; it is painful to watch the defense, I must admit. Not sure if GERG was the right hire. I will say that the offense has improved vehemently this season; it's an actual spread offense. I still have a lot of confidence in the program, despite the tumultuous first two seasons of RR's campaign.
I am completely behind RR. I see lots of people wondering if he is going to crumble under the pressure of these past two seasons. RR is a head coach and a leader, he knows more about persevering through adversity than most of us do. There is no quit in RR, and you can see that in his post game presser today. The dude knows what he's doing, like he says, it's a painful process but it will be worth it in a few years when UM is contending.
I wish he would quit trying to block punts. SOOOOooooo stupid. Other than that meh. Need another year to get a S or LB to play even OK.
doesn't offer anything. I'm happy your not an illogical person who fills the board with nonsense but this post was a waste of space.
Fortunately, I was able to use your post as a malaria net to save an African child.
Glad to know I helped.
I am still a RR supporter and I want him to succeed. At this point, small snipets of doubt have been creeping in. Still totally behind him, but if things don't progress significantly next year, those small snipets will grow in number and continue to do so until at some point, they take over my soul and I am left a wasted miserable, glory-day pondering slug of humanity.
Don't let me down RR. Just give me 8 wins next year with no bad losses. Then take over the football universe in 2011.
The offense has improved, but sometimes the play calling hinders its effectiveness. I can't stand that stupid QB power sweep where they use Forcier as a pure running back. It's usually 3rd or 4th and short and it never works.
As for the defensive back 7...hope next year is better.
I am behind whomever makes Michigan a winner.
That may be RichRod, it may not. He gets my support for one more year. At the end of next season, the curve, as measured by wins and losses, must be pointing up.
It is what it is. Rich is here, the old regime is gone, and we as fans have to cheer THIS team on because its all we have. I am all in for Michigan even if we lose every friggen game.
That being said, adding a few defensive players would REALLY help out. Ugh.
RichRod is a Michigan Man now.
a machine, one day.
Until then, Moses in the desert...
That's ok though. That will make the reward all the better.
There is nothing "OK" about what has happened in the past two seasons. Sorry. Since when did the Michigan fanbase think 3-9 and (probably) 5-7 were "OK?"
You can be supportive of RR and still think these two seasons were below the standards of the University of Michigan.
At the end of the day, we'll be back. Michigan will not see themselves become Washington or SMU.
Whether that is with Rodriguez or not is up to him. If he fails, it will be a lot more significant for his life than for this program.
Wonderful! Only 4 hrs and 45 min to go. I was starting to think it would take longer than that!
Its great to see a positive thread like this! I still supprt him 100 percent. WE WILL RISE AGAIN!